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Originally posted by Luckycharms:
Originally posted by Young2Rice:
Originally posted by thl408:
Here's an article that focuses on a game where Mangini's Browns defense went up against Brady in 2010. Reinforces the whole confusion aspect that Mangini refers to.
http://espn.go.com/blog/afceast/post/_/id/21350/amoeba-d-a-hard-cell-for-brady-sanchez

ESPN Stats & Information charted Cleveland's amoeba defense, an unusual scheme described as "at least five defensive players in the box with one or fewer down linemen." It's difficult for a quarterback to read at the line, creates pass-protection confusion for linemen and clogs passing lanes.

The results were persuasive, according to ESPN Stats & Information's data.

Patriots passing versus the amoeba: 3-of-13 for 51 yards, zero touchdowns, one interception and an 11.4 passer rating.

Patriots passing versus other defenses: 16-of-25 for 173 yards, two touchdowns, no interceptions and a 110.9 passer rating.

"When Tom knows what you're in, he'll take you apart," Browns head coach Eric Mangini said. "We tried to disguise things so he couldn't get comfortable. We had one defensive plan for the first half and an entirely different one for the second half because we didn't want him adjusting at halftime with ways to attack us.

"Dealing with a guy like Tom and an offense like that, not giving him a lot of pre-snap reads, was extremely important. I thought our guys did it well."

I like the name. Didn't we run something similar here under fangio and manusky? I remember it being called magic formation or somthing?

Or is that different?

I know Manusky occasionally used the Amoeba defense, but I don't recall fangio using it. I could be wrong though. Just based purely off memory I recall it working well when Manusky used it but I don't have any stats on it

I just remembered it being pretty cool.
Originally posted by 9moon:
Personally, I think Mangini's style of defense (FLEX) will be awful and all of a sudden, veteran players will be saying that due to the young players, our DC should not get too cute with the defensive play calling..

Coach T will have no choice but to get rid of Mangini and take over as his own DC..

If that's the case at least he has the balls to fire his coordinator that's not doing his job well and put his players in a position to succeed.
[ Edited by 49ersOnMINE on Jul 8, 2015 at 10:56 PM ]
I believe Nolan has run defenses in some type of amoeba style but he must suck at it or something. BTW he's now the Chargers LB coach. This guy's coaching career has been on a downward spiral since getting axed by the Niners. I only give him credit for helping bring Justin Smith to the team, everything else he did as an HC blew. He had to be an awful head coach cuz all he's done since then is gradually move down the coaching ladder not up or across it.
Originally posted by ninerjok:
I believe Nolan has run defenses in some type of amoeba style but he must suck at it or something. BTW he's now the Chargers LB coach. This guy's coaching career has been on a downward spiral since getting axed by the Niners. I only give him credit for helping bring Justin Smith to the team, everything else he did as an HC blew. He had to be an awful head coach cuz all he's done since then is gradually move down the coaching ladder not up or across it.

Eh...he had some very well regarded years as a DC after leaving here with some very highly rated defenses. I put him in the same camp as dudes like Norv great coordinators who need to be kept the hell away from the big job. Here is hoping Mangini is one of those dudes too.
Originally posted by PhillyNiner:
Originally posted by ninerjok:
I believe Nolan has run defenses in some type of amoeba style but he must suck at it or something. BTW he's now the Chargers LB coach. This guy's coaching career has been on a downward spiral since getting axed by the Niners. I only give him credit for helping bring Justin Smith to the team, everything else he did as an HC blew. He had to be an awful head coach cuz all he's done since then is gradually move down the coaching ladder not up or across it.

Eh...he had some very well regarded years as a DC after leaving here with some very highly rated defenses. I put him in the same camp as dudes like Norv great coordinators who need to be kept the hell away from the big job. Here is hoping Mangini is one of those dudes too.

Agree! Very much like Norv and other guys who are very good coordinators but terrible when in charge of the whole team. They are both intense and ultra focused on specific areas...not able to shift gears quickly to the other side of the ball. What's more is their personalities being ideal for one side of the ball. Turner creative while Nolan is tough minded.
Originally posted by ninerjok:
I believe Nolan has run defenses in some type of amoeba style but he must suck at it or something. BTW he's now the Chargers LB coach. This guy's coaching career has been on a downward spiral since getting axed by the Niners. I only give him credit for helping bring Justin Smith to the team, everything else he did as an HC blew. He had to be an awful head coach cuz all he's done since then is gradually move down the coaching ladder not up or across it.
I find it utterly fascinating how volatile head coaches are in the NFL. Being a coach in the league would be a very humbling experience.
Well said, people here as fans hac
Originally posted by KowboyKiller:
Originally posted by cciowa:
Originally posted by 9moon:
Personally, I think Mangini's style of defense (FLEX) will be awful and all of a sudden, veteran players will be saying that due to the young players, our DC should not get too cute with the defensive play calling..

Coach T will have no choice but to get rid of Mangini and take over as his own DC..

wow, we have not even had camp and already some of you people have coach dumping mangini and coach dumping logan. i wonder if other teams web zones are like this

Trust me they are, it's human nature sometimes to try to be "realistic" in times of uncertainty to avoid being disappointed down the road, so they just decide to be disappointed now before it happens "for real".

I fully admit I have no idea what's going to happen this year with the D (or the O for that matter), I don't try to predict, I don't try to prognosticate, I am optimistic though, and I believe we will prove a lot of haters wrong.
Originally posted by KowboyKiller:
Originally posted by cciowa:
Originally posted by 9moon:
Personally, I think Mangini's style of defense (FLEX) will be awful and all of a sudden, veteran players will be saying that due to the young players, our DC should not get too cute with the defensive play calling..

Coach T will have no choice but to get rid of Mangini and take over as his own DC..

wow, we have not even had camp and already some of you people have coach dumping mangini and coach dumping logan. i wonder if other teams web zones are like this

Trust me they are, it's human nature sometimes to try to be "realistic" in times of uncertainty to avoid being disappointed down the road, so they just decide to be disappointed now before it happens "for real".

I fully admit I have no idea what's going to happen this year with the D (or the O for that matter), I don't try to predict, I don't try to prognosticate, I am optimistic though, and I believe we will prove a lot of haters wrong.

Well said, as fans we can speak our minds and if a coach has a bad history who says we have to like it and give up our rights as being a Niner fan
Originally posted by dtg_9er:
I believe Buddy Ryan used the change in the game plan against Walsh to screw up his use of scripted plays to ferret out the defensive tendencies.

The only adjustment Buddy Ryan had was get the qb.
I just really neer liked Mangini as a coach..

never knew what he did and how he helped tthe team as a consultant first, then our TEs happened to have the worst season of THEIR career when Mangini started coaching them, then as a DC??

I am hoping for the best tho..
http://m.49ers.com/s/30837/372?itemPos=1&itemUri=1062361453%2F813102015310121012125121015131070

Good read
Originally posted by ninerjok:
I believe Nolan has run defenses in some type of amoeba style but he must suck at it or something. BTW he's now the Chargers LB coach. This guy's coaching career has been on a downward spiral since getting axed by the Niners. I only give him credit for helping bring Justin Smith to the team, everything else he did as an HC blew. He had to be an awful head coach cuz all he's done since then is gradually move down the coaching ladder not up or across it.

Thanks for the update.

He'll never be a HC again.

If you look up subborn in the dictionary his picture is there next to - you know who!
Originally posted by qnnhan7:
Originally posted by dtg_9er:
I believe Buddy Ryan used the change in the game plan against Walsh to screw up his use of scripted plays to ferret out the defensive tendencies.

The only adjustment Buddy Ryan had was get the qb.

For one year and ONLY one year that was the BEST defense in the NFL!

Then, good coaches everywhere figured it out.

It just wasn't one coach but the whole NFL watched every week on what worked and what didn't. Eventually all 31 other coaching staffs figured it out. And piece by piece beat the 46 D.

To put into perspective on how GREAT Bill Walsh was - it took years and years for all 31 teams to figure out on how to slow down the Bill Walsh Offense.

I don't call it the WCO.
Originally posted by dtg_9er:
Originally posted by PhillyNiner:
Originally posted by ninerjok:
I believe Nolan has run defenses in some type of amoeba style but he must suck at it or something. BTW he's now the Chargers LB coach. This guy's coaching career has been on a downward spiral since getting axed by the Niners. I only give him credit for helping bring Justin Smith to the team, everything else he did as an HC blew. He had to be an awful head coach cuz all he's done since then is gradually move down the coaching ladder not up or across it.

Eh...he had some very well regarded years as a DC after leaving here with some very highly rated defenses. I put him in the same camp as dudes like Norv great coordinators who need to be kept the hell away from the big job. Here is hoping Mangini is one of those dudes too.

Agree! Very much like Norv and other guys who are very good coordinators but terrible when in charge of the whole team. They are both intense and ultra focused on specific areas...not able to shift gears quickly to the other side of the ball. What's more is their personalities being ideal for one side of the ball. Turner creative while Nolan is tough minded.

This.

I really like Norv too. Joe Bugel [Raiders] was a superb OLine coach BUT terrible HC too.
Actually, the Bears 46D was statistically better back in 1984, and was also statistically better after their Super Bowl season.. the Great 85 Bears just put too much pain on everyone (especially QBs) winning the Super Bowl also helped.

I believe that if it wasn't for Joe Montana and Marcus Allen, the Oilers woulda won that Super Bowl with the Run n Shoot and the Buddy Ryan's 46..
Originally posted by 9moon:
Actually, the Bears 46D was statistically better back in 1984, and was also statistically better after their Super Bowl season.. the Great 85 Bears just put too much pain on everyone (especially QBs) winning the Super Bowl also helped.

I believe that if it wasn't for Joe Montana and Marcus Allen, the Oilers woulda won that Super Bowl with the Run n Shoot and the Buddy Ryan's 46..

The success of the 85 Bears was built on a gimmick defense that it took the NFL a year of so to figure out. That's why they were one and done.
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