Eric Mangini Thread

The 46D was not ONE and DONE...

They were the best defense in 1984 (when we won SB XIX), in 1985 and in 1986...

The Eagles defense and his 46D also took the league in storm and was not only because of Reggie White, they were a very very good and dominant..

The Cards too defensively was very good under Eric Swann and Jamir Miller, it just that they never had the offense to compete.

Last but not the least, it took 2 Hall of Famer (Joe & Marcus) to deny Houston their woulda been 1st Super Bowl appearance... Oilers had the 46D to show for it, but that Run n Shoot just was not enough..

Originally posted by crake49:
The success of the 85 Bears was built on a gimmick defense that it took the NFL a year of so to figure out. That's why they were one and done.

Agree but it did show the NFL that if you wanted to beat the WCO you had to disrupt their timing on pass plays. Seems obvious but many teams tried to cover and just couldn't keep up against the niners picks, brushes and multiple routes.

Originally posted by 9moon:
The 46D was not ONE and DONE...

Really? When did they get that second one? I must have missed that.

It's not that they couldn't, it's simply because we had Joe and Steve.. two of the best QBs to every play the game.. and that means, no matter what great defense you have, or great coverage and game plan, the 49ers would always have a chance..

Like what Mike Ditka once said before a 1987 Monday night game vs the 49ers.. " I don't think there's a team out there that is looking forward to playing the 49ers. "

Game Result:

Joe Montana got injured.. Steve Young took over, and I think the final score was 41 to 3 ?? if not mistaken..

WCO is still talked about (and used with variations). 46D and Run N Shoot, not much.

Bringing back to topic, I think I will like Mangini's more blitzing style. I personally thought Fangio's defenses were good against mediocre to bad offenses and racked up too much good stats when the game was out of reach. In 2012 playoffs teams shredded his defense. Even in the SB our defense gave up more points in a half than any Niner SB defense gave up in a full game, 28 points.

I don't know much about Mangini's defense when he was a DC prior. But, how bad could he be when he gained a moniker of "Man-genious". Also he has a renewed perspective being on the offensive side ball for the last few years.

Originally posted by crake49:

Originally posted by 9moon:
The 46D was not ONE and DONE...

Really? When did they get that second one? I must have missed that.

You were talking about the Bears "gimmick defense", weren't you... NOT no RINGS???

I'd hate to do this to you, but google UP their defense and see that it was not a ONE AND DONE type of defense.. the Bears 46D was great in 1984, 1985 & 1986 (post 46D)..

Originally posted by 9moon:

Originally posted by crake49:

Originally posted by 9moon:
The 46D was not ONE and DONE...

Really? When did they get that second one? I must have missed that.

You were talking about the Bears "gimmick defense", weren't you... NOT no RINGS???

I'd hate to do this to you, but google UP their defense and see that it was not a ONE AND DONE type of defense.. the Bears 46D was great in 1984, 1985 & 1986 (post 46D)..

only 1 SB

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by 9moon:

Originally posted by crake49:

Originally posted by 9moon:
The 46D was not ONE and DONE...

Really? When did they get that second one? I must have missed that.

You were talking about the Bears "gimmick defense", weren't you... NOT no RINGS???

I'd hate to do this to you, but google UP their defense and see that it was not a ONE AND DONE type of defense.. the Bears 46D was great in 1984, 1985 & 1986 (post 46D)..

only 1 SB

Yes. I thought everyone understood '1 and done' is a team that wins one championship and is done winning championships. Evidently that's too complex an idea for some people around here.

Originally posted by crake49:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by 9moon:

Originally posted by crake49:

Originally posted by 9moon:
The 46D was not ONE and DONE...

Really? When did they get that second one? I must have missed that.

You were talking about the Bears "gimmick defense", weren't you... NOT no RINGS???

I'd hate to do this to you, but google UP their defense and see that it was not a ONE AND DONE type of defense.. the Bears 46D was great in 1984, 1985 & 1986 (post 46D)..

only 1 SB

Yes. I thought everyone understood '1 and done' is a team that wins one championship and is done winning championships. Evidently that's too complex an idea for some people around here.

idk why we are even trying to talk about how the bears were 30 yrs ago , Moon google up the weirdest stuff then tries to make it a 49ers thing

Originally posted by crake49:
The success of the 85 Bears was built on a gimmick defense that it took the NFL a year of so to figure out. That's why they were one and done.

Nope. Because the 86 Bears defense was actually better then the 85 defense. The Bears problems were on offense and the fact that Jim McMahon couldn't stay healthy. Also the Bears had a top 5 defense from 1983-88. So it was not a gimmicky defense.

You see, Jcool understood what my point was...

Crake here was talking about "gimmick defense", then when I try to make a point that the Bears 46D was not One and Done, he tries to make it into a Super Bowl conversation..

Of course, his followers all jumped in w/o even trying to understand the topic..

Originally posted by Jcool:

Originally posted by crake49:
The success of the 85 Bears was built on a gimmick defense that it took the NFL a year of so to figure out. That's why they were one and done.

Nope. Because the 86 Bears defense was actually better then the 85 defense. The Bears problems were on offense and the fact that Jim McMahon couldn't stay healthy. Also the Bears had a top 5 defense from 1983-88. So it was not a gimmicky defense.

Totally agree about the mediocre offense. The only reason I call that particular defense 'gimmicky' is the same reason I call the 'run and shoot' offense gimmicky - nobody runs it anymore. It didn't become a standard way to play defense. But you're right that it was top-5 for a few years. The Niners certainly figured it out by the time they saw them in the playoffs in 1988.

Originally posted by 9moon:
You see, Jcool understood what my point was...

Crake here was talking about "gimmick defense", then when I try to make a point that the Bears 46D was not One and Done, he tries to make it into a Super Bowl conversation..

Of course, his followers all jumped in w/o even trying to understand the topic..

46D in no way being implemented ..not sure why this is even being discussed

Originally posted by crake49:

Originally posted by Jcool:

Originally posted by crake49:
The success of the 85 Bears was built on a gimmick defense that it took the NFL a year of so to figure out. That's why they were one and done.

Nope. Because the 86 Bears defense was actually better then the 85 defense. The Bears problems were on offense and the fact that Jim McMahon couldn't stay healthy. Also the Bears had a top 5 defense from 1983-88. So it was not a gimmicky defense.

Totally agree about the mediocre offense. The only reason I call that particular defense 'gimmicky' is the same reason I call the 'run and shoot' offense gimmicky - nobody runs it anymore. It didn't become a standard way to play defense. But you're right that it was top-5 for a few years. The Niners certainly figured it out by the time they saw them in the playoffs in 1988.

The reason the 46 isn't used anymore because of the evolution of the passing game. One of the big things the 46 did was take away the run game and they never had to worry about teams beating them with complex passing attacks (passing offenses for the most part were pretty basic in the 80's). When the NFL became a passing league it negative the big strength of the 46.

Crake, you ok buddy???

When did the 49ers see the 46D in 88??

46D was long gone when we went to Soldier Field and "kicked some ass" for the NFCCG as Keena Turner said after the game.. They were simply playing a base 4-3.. No more Wilbur Marshall, no more Otis Wilson..

We beat the 46D in the NFCCG (1984) and the Bears 46D returned the favor in a regular game (1985) when the Fridge was born..