Eric Mangini Thread

Originally posted by Jcool:

The reason the 46 isn't used anymore because of the evolution of the passing game. One of the big things the 46 did was take away the run game and they never had to worry about teams beating them with complex passing attacks (passing offenses for the most part were pretty basic in the 80's). When the NFL became a passing league it negative the big strength of the 46.

Originally posted by Jcool:
The reason the 46 isn't used anymore because of the evolution of the passing game. One of the big things the 46 did was take away the run game and they never had to worry about teams beating them with complex passing attacks (passing offenses for the most part were pretty basic in the 80's). When the NFL became a passing league it negative the big strength of the 46.

Originally posted by crake49:

Originally posted by Jcool:
The reason the 46 isn't used anymore because of the evolution of the passing game. One of the big things the 46 did was take away the run game and they never had to worry about teams beating them with complex passing attacks (passing offenses for the most part were pretty basic in the 80's). When the NFL became a passing league it negative the big strength of the 46.

Thanks. That makes a lot of sense to me looking back because I think the only team to beat that defense when it was going full bore was Dan Marino's Dolphins, but I may be wrong about that.

Originally posted by crake49:

Originally posted by Jcool:
The reason the 46 isn't used anymore because of the evolution of the passing game. One of the big things the 46 did was take away the run game and they never had to worry about teams beating them with complex passing attacks (passing offenses for the most part were pretty basic in the 80's). When the NFL became a passing league it negative the big strength of the 46.

Thanks. That makes a lot of sense to me looking back because I think the only team to beat that defense when it was going full bore was Dan Marino's Dolphins, but I may be wrong about that.

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by 9moon:
You see, Jcool understood what my point was...

Crake here was talking about "gimmick defense", then when I try to make a point that the Bears 46D was not One and Done, he tries to make it into a Super Bowl conversation..

Of course, his followers all jumped in w/o even trying to understand the topic..

46D in no way being implemented ..not sure why this is even being discussed

Originally posted by philosoraptor:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by 9moon:
You see, Jcool understood what my point was...

Crake here was talking about "gimmick defense", then when I try to make a point that the Bears 46D was not One and Done, he tries to make it into a Super Bowl conversation..

Of course, his followers all jumped in w/o even trying to understand the topic..

46D in no way being implemented ..not sure why this is even being discussed

Well aspects of it are still implementing especially the blitzing but you cant keep 8-9 people committed to the run all day in the nfl. Look at the one game they lost in 85, to dan marino and the dolphins because they could throw the ball.

I would say its the equivalent of the run & gun offense due to the fact that concepts may be used from time to time but not consistently and not as the main "bread and butter" the system is built around.

Originally posted by thl408:
I agree. The Bear front is still being used today, but it's a a sub-package. Could be used against teams that like to run inside and can't threaten the edges. Hey, we all know a team like that.


What makes it s Bear front is that the Center and both Guards all have a DL over them, and the SS is walked down to the LoS.

Originally posted by Big_Daddy:

Originally posted by thl408:
I agree. The Bear front is still being used today, but it's a a sub-package. Could be used against teams that like to run inside and can't threaten the edges. Hey, we all know a team like that.


What makes it s Bear front is that the Center and both Guards all have a DL over them, and the SS is walked down to the LoS.

HAHAHA I was gonna say, people run that front against us all the time!

Originally posted by NCommand:
Wanna post this here as well...great stuff in here:


This and I'd HIGHLY recommend listening to this podcast on scheme of our hybrid players/packages that Mangini is expected to employ:

http://www.ninersnation.com/2015/7/9/8926357/better-rivals-podcast-hybrid-players-and-mangini-s-defense

Originally posted by dtg_9er:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Wanna post this here as well...great stuff in here:


This and I'd HIGHLY recommend listening to this podcast on scheme of our hybrid players/packages that Mangini is expected to employ:

http://www.ninersnation.com/2015/7/9/8926357/better-rivals-podcast-hybrid-players-and-mangini-s-defense

Page has been removed NC.

Originally posted by dtg_9er:
Thanks NC!

Frustrating waiting for them to get to the meat of the discussion but once there...I enjoyed it a great deal. Sort of confirms my perception of Mangini and gives me more hope for the D maintaining it's high level.