Eric Mangini Thread

Bowman will be wearing the green dot this year. He had this to say regarding the differences in scheme now under Mangini:

"...there's just more to do. It's not just one call (Fangio)...it's probably 3 calls in one (Mangini)...it makes us more focused on the game...the defense won't work if we're not locked in."

http://www.49ers.com/video/videos/NaVorro-Bowman-Ready-to-Deliver-First-Hit/eae1da8d-fad0-41c6-9b9b-be5e16232c36

hated him as tight ends coach. am glad he is back to what he does do well. he has lots of good players and if he f**ks up the defense with the players he has, i will lead the charge in my best romanesque way. i trust and hope and think i will not have to do that

Originally posted by cciowa:
hated him as tight ends coach. am glad he is back to what he does do well. he has lots of good players and if he f**ks up the defense with the players he has, i will lead the charge in my best romanesque way. i trust and hope and think i will not have to do that

Amen to that!

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by cciowa:
hated him as tight ends coach. am glad he is back to what he does do well. he has lots of good players and if he f**ks up the defense with the players he has, i will lead the charge in my best romanesque way. i trust and hope and think i will not have to do that

Amen to that!

i have a feeling if things go south you and i will unload venom that will make the stuff that verb and his buddies posts seem like a restrained tea time luncheon . again i hope and trust and feel we will not have to do that . IF things go south i really hope the guys who are predicting it now will take no pleasure in being proven right,, that would not be good as a niner fan in my opinion

Originally posted by cciowa:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by cciowa:
hated him as tight ends coach. am glad he is back to what he does do well. he has lots of good players and if he f**ks up the defense with the players he has, i will lead the charge in my best romanesque way. i trust and hope and think i will not have to do that

Amen to that!

i have a feeling if things go south you and i will unload venom that will make the stuff that verb and his buddies posts seem like a restrained tea time luncheon . again i hope and trust and feel we will not have to do that . IF things go south i really hope the guys who are predicting it now will take no pleasure in being proven right,, that would not be good as a niner fan in my opinion

Hey man, we just call it like we see it...if Mangini or Geep go full HaRoman, we'll be the first ones leading the charge. But I've got to see enough evidence to point me in that direction (and time). We were on to our crappy offense after the Superbowl and sadly, we were right in the end.

But right now, it seems like this new regime is making a valiant effort to make amends and the players are young and hungry with a nice mix of veterans with more aggressive schemes. Nothing to b!tch about right now!

Originally posted by NCommand:

Bowman will be wearing the green dot this year. He had this to say regarding the differences in scheme now under Mangini:

"...there's just more to do. It's not just one call (Fangio)...it's probably 3 calls in one (Mangini)...it makes us more focused on the game...the defense won't work if we're not locked in."

http://www.49ers.com/video/videos/NaVorro-Bowman-Ready-to-Deliver-First-Hit/eae1da8d-fad0-41c6-9b9b-be5e16232c36

That's a little scary to know. With Fangio scheme u don't need to be locked in and focused to be a top 5 squad but u will with mangini's?

Is seattles scheme complex compared to fangios?
Thl where are you?!!

Originally posted by jeepzilla:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Bowman will be wearing the green dot this year. He had this to say regarding the differences in scheme now under Mangini:

"...there's just more to do. It's not just one call (Fangio)...it's probably 3 calls in one (Mangini)...it makes us more focused on the game...the defense won't work if we're not locked in."

http://www.49ers.com/video/videos/NaVorro-Bowman-Ready-to-Deliver-First-Hit/eae1da8d-fad0-41c6-9b9b-be5e16232c36

That's a little scary to know. With Fangio scheme u don't need to be locked in and focused to be a top 5 squad but u will with mangini's?

Is seattles scheme complex compared to fangios?
Thl where are you?!!

Without seeing Mangini's scheme in action, I'm fairly confident, based on Mangini/player's comments, that what Bow means is that in one defensive playcall, there is a call for a specific defensive front, what the front will do presnap, and what the backfield will do. Fangio's defensive fronts and presnap assignments were "vanilla". It was the same static front play to play. Mangini sounds like he likes to have many exotic fronts, presnap movement, then of course what to do when the ball is snapped. So based on all that, there is indeed more to remember in Mangini's scheme.

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Originally posted by jeepzilla:
That's a little scary to know. With Fangio scheme u don't need to be locked in and focused to be a top 5 squad but u will with mangini's?

Is seattles scheme complex compared to fangios?
Thl where are you?!!

I'd say what SEA does with their defensive front is more complex. SEA uses a lot of hybrid fronts, meaning on any given play, some of the players are two gapping while some are one gapping. Their backfield coverage is not complicated. They will either play cover1 or cover3. They will pattern match with their LBs when in cover3.

Fangio did not play as many hybrid fronts, but his secondary coverage calls easily trumped what SEA does in terms of variety. If you check out the 'Coverages and Concepts' thread, you'll see I was able find almost every coverage call using the 49er defense.

Anyone else watch Mangini's presser?

http://www.49ers.com/video/videos/Eric-Mangini-Excited-to-Work-with-Young-Defense/ac10f420-683c-4c2a-be9d-03bd7bc02400

He sounds like he's grown a lot as an individual from those reports/incidents of him in Cleveland.

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by jeepzilla:

That's a little scary to know. With Fangio scheme u don't need to be locked in and focused to be a top 5 squad but u will with mangini's?

Is seattles scheme complex compared to fangios?
Thl where are you?!!

I'd say what SEA does with their defensive front is more complex. SEA uses a lot of hybrid fronts, meaning on any given play, some of the players are two gapping while some are one gapping. Their backfield coverage is not complicated. They will either play cover1 or cover3. They will pattern match with their LBs when in cover3.

Fangio did not play as many hybrid fronts, but his secondary coverage calls easily trumped what SEA does in terms of variety. If you check out the 'Coverages and Concepts' thread, you'll see I was able find almost every coverage call using the 49er defense.

Thanks for all the work you do!

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by jeepzilla:
That's a little scary to know. With Fangio scheme u don't need to be locked in and focused to be a top 5 squad but u will with mangini's?

Is seattles scheme complex compared to fangios?
Thl where are you?!!

I'd say what SEA does with their defensive front is more complex. SEA uses a lot of hybrid fronts, meaning on any given play, some of the players are two gapping while some are one gapping. Their backfield coverage is not complicated. They will either play cover1 or cover3. They will pattern match with their LBs when in cover3.

Fangio did not play as many hybrid fronts, but his secondary coverage calls easily trumped what SEA does in terms of variety. If you check out the 'Coverages and Concepts' thread, you'll see I was able find almost every coverage call using the 49er defense.

Is their simple coverage because they have Earl Thomas and Sherman back there?

Originally posted by Young2Rice:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by jeepzilla:
That's a little scary to know. With Fangio scheme u don't need to be locked in and focused to be a top 5 squad but u will with mangini's?

Is seattles scheme complex compared to fangios?
Thl where are you?!!

I'd say what SEA does with their defensive front is more complex. SEA uses a lot of hybrid fronts, meaning on any given play, some of the players are two gapping while some are one gapping. Their backfield coverage is not complicated. They will either play cover1 or cover3. They will pattern match with their LBs when in cover3.

Fangio did not play as many hybrid fronts, but his secondary coverage calls easily trumped what SEA does in terms of variety. If you check out the 'Coverages and Concepts' thread, you'll see I was able find almost every coverage call using the 49er defense.

Is their simple coverage because they have Earl Thomas and Sherman back there?

its almost a zone, Sherman cant eve play both sides of the field and need to hold, and Earl only has speed and just plays center field

75% of their defense is pass rushing which they are good at. but they lost players and another is holding out. no pass rush no secondary can cover long amounts of time

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by Young2Rice:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by jeepzilla:

That's a little scary to know. With Fangio scheme u don't need to be locked in and focused to be a top 5 squad but u will with mangini's?

Is seattles scheme complex compared to fangios?
Thl where are you?!!

I'd say what SEA does with their defensive front is more complex. SEA uses a lot of hybrid fronts, meaning on any given play, some of the players are two gapping while some are one gapping. Their backfield coverage is not complicated. They will either play cover1 or cover3. They will pattern match with their LBs when in cover3.

Fangio did not play as many hybrid fronts, but his secondary coverage calls easily trumped what SEA does in terms of variety. If you check out the 'Coverages and Concepts' thread, you'll see I was able find almost every coverage call using the 49er defense.

Is their simple coverage because they have Earl Thomas and Sherman back there?

its almost a zone, Sherman cant eve play both sides of the field and need to hold, and Earl only has speed and just plays center field

75% of their defense is pass rushing which they are good at. but they lost players and another is holding out. no pass rush no secondary can cover long amounts of time

I hope your right!!

Speaking of pass rush, I have a "feeling" ours might be fierce this year. At least I'm hoping it is.

I still feel that Seattle 2 years ago was better because they rotated there front D. They kept players fresh and there were able to keep going after the QB.

Let's hope we are relentless this year getting after the QB. I feel the D-Line/O-Line is what makes a team crank. I've always felt that way and i do not know why
Teams such as the jags Browns etc don't build from the trenches out?

Originally posted by jeepzilla:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by Young2Rice:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by jeepzilla:
That's a little scary to know. With Fangio scheme u don't need to be locked in and focused to be a top 5 squad but u will with mangini's?

Is seattles scheme complex compared to fangios?
Thl where are you?!!

I'd say what SEA does with their defensive front is more complex. SEA uses a lot of hybrid fronts, meaning on any given play, some of the players are two gapping while some are one gapping. Their backfield coverage is not complicated. They will either play cover1 or cover3. They will pattern match with their LBs when in cover3.

Fangio did not play as many hybrid fronts, but his secondary coverage calls easily trumped what SEA does in terms of variety. If you check out the 'Coverages and Concepts' thread, you'll see I was able find almost every coverage call using the 49er defense.

Is their simple coverage because they have Earl Thomas and Sherman back there?

its almost a zone, Sherman cant eve play both sides of the field and need to hold, and Earl only has speed and just plays center field

75% of their defense is pass rushing which they are good at. but they lost players and another is holding out. no pass rush no secondary can cover long amounts of time

I hope your right!!

Speaking of pass rush, I have a "feeling" ours might be fierce this year. At least I'm hoping it is.

I still feel that Seattle 2 years ago was better because they rotated there front D. They kept players fresh and there were able to keep going after the QB.

Let's hope we are relentless this year getting after the QB. I feel the D-Line/O-Line is what makes a team crank. I've always felt that way and i do not know why
Teams such as the jags Browns etc don't build from the trenches out?

I think it really does fall on coaches. We have been able to get the best out of guys that you wouldn't expect it from.