Eric Mangini Thread

Originally posted by LasVegasWally:

Originally posted by SofaKing:
Considering Aldon only had 2 sacks in 7 games last year, that shouldn't be hard to do. It still sucks, because everything we heard from camp was that Aldon was rounding back into form, ready to dominate, and he threw it all away. Should be a cautionary tale for young players in the future.

he, and many others including Kap, should have had a mentor from day one.

I think the league and the new players would be well served by a Mentoring program by retired vets who can really help these guys with life as an NFL player.

That's a good idea. I'd be all in favor for that. A lot of these guys lack the proper perspective. Not sure they realize how much they have to lose, until it's been take away.

Originally posted by SofaKing:

Originally posted by LasVegasWally:

Originally posted by SofaKing:
Considering Aldon only had 2 sacks in 7 games last year, that shouldn't be hard to do. It still sucks, because everything we heard from camp was that Aldon was rounding back into form, ready to dominate, and he threw it all away. Should be a cautionary tale for young players in the future.

he, and many others including Kap, should have had a mentor from day one.

I think the league and the new players would be well served by a Mentoring program by retired vets who can really help these guys with life as an NFL player.

That's a good idea. I'd be all in favor for that. A lot of these guys lack the proper perspective. Not sure they realize how much they have to lose, until it's been take away.

Like a Big Brother program...basically.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by thl408:
Not that anyone here is saying, "more blitzes means a better defense", but I saw this old PFF article that breaks down the percentage in which teams blitzed and how effective they were at it. A nice read even though the stats are from the 2013 season. I don't have PFF so if they did a 2014 study, it'd be nice to see those numbers.
https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2014/04/07/team-blitzing/

2013 Stats (ranked by most % of times the defense called a blitz).
SF was 30th at 19.67%; SEA was 28th


2013 Team Defense (sorted by yards given up per game) to get a sense of which teams gave up the least yards.

Well, this is more than relevant now.

Yup, very relevant. Not surprised by it though. I'm assuming a lot of these teams blitzed out of necessity, because they couldn't get a pass-rush otherwise, leaving them vulnerable in the back-end.. I'm hoping we don't fall into that category. We want the natural ability to rush 4, but have the added dimension of calling well-timed blitzes to further disrupt the offense.

Originally posted by SofaKing:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by thl408:
Not that anyone here is saying, "more blitzes means a better defense", but I saw this old PFF article that breaks down the percentage in which teams blitzed and how effective they were at it. A nice read even though the stats are from the 2013 season. I don't have PFF so if they did a 2014 study, it'd be nice to see those numbers.
https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2014/04/07/team-blitzing/

2013 Stats (ranked by most % of times the defense called a blitz).
SF was 30th at 19.67%; SEA was 28th


2013 Team Defense (sorted by yards given up per game) to get a sense of which teams gave up the least yards.

Well, this is more than relevant now.

Yup, very relevant. Not surprised by it though. I'm assuming a lot of these teams blitzed out of necessity, because they couldn't get a pass-rush otherwise, leaving them vulnerable in the back-end.. I'm hoping we don't fall into that category. We want the natural ability to rush 4, but have the added dimension of calling well-timed blitzes to further disrupt the offense.

No question. Find that happy medium...come on Mangini.

Interesting the way things work. I was worried about is blitzing too much because we are so strong up front but now it seems like it's a good thing we are blitzing more since Aldon is gone.

Originally posted by NinerGM:

Originally posted by NCommand:
No question. Find that happy medium...come on Mangini.

If there's anyone who knows how to deal with the sudden loss of talent .......

Well the answer is obviously there isn't. Will San Francisco be a 3-13 team? I doubt that also. Since the LB corp has been gutted and the DL seems loaded, is it time to consider more 4-3 and nickel looks?

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by SofaKing:

Originally posted by LasVegasWally:

Originally posted by SofaKing:
Considering Aldon only had 2 sacks in 7 games last year, that shouldn't be hard to do. It still sucks, because everything we heard from camp was that Aldon was rounding back into form, ready to dominate, and he threw it all away. Should be a cautionary tale for young players in the future.

he, and many others including Kap, should have had a mentor from day one.

I think the league and the new players would be well served by a Mentoring program by retired vets who can really help these guys with life as an NFL player.

That's a good idea. I'd be all in favor for that. A lot of these guys lack the proper perspective. Not sure they realize how much they have to lose, until it's been take away.

Like a Big Brother program...basically.

Yeah!

If I had all that loot when I was 21-24 I'd probably be dead.

Originally posted by bzborow1:

Originally posted by NinerGM:

Originally posted by NCommand:
No question. Find that happy medium...come on Mangini.

If there's anyone who knows how to deal with the sudden loss of talent .......

Well the answer is obviously there isn't. Will San Francisco be a 3-13 team? I doubt that also. Since the LB corp has been gutted and the DL seems loaded, is it time to consider more 4-3 and nickel looks?

Lynch --- Bowman --- Wilhoite/Moody/Tartt --- Brooks/Harold

This is gutted? I'm sure 90% of the NFL would love to be "gutted." LOL

But as to your point, we're doing exactly that in nickel looks anyhow...probably bring in Tartt for Bowman or Wilhoite/Moody and slide Dockett and Tank inside for additional pass rush. So, you're on it!

So with Aldon gone, where is all the pressure going to come from?

From the scheme!

Matt Maiocco
✔@MaioccoCSN

LT Joe Staley said #49ers pass protection has seen more kinds of blitzes from Eric Mangini's defense in a week than last 6 seasons combined.

Cam Inman
✔@CamInman

Joe Staley on #49ers defense: "More blitzes this offseason than previous six combined"

3:18 PM - 9 Aug 2015

More confirmation that Mangini will move the OLB's around and collectively scheme pressure (on the loss of Aldon). He loves how Ahmad can play anywhere...really big on 'flexibility' within his scheme.

http://www.49ers.com/video/videos/Eric-Mangini-Gives-Update-on-Defense/c851bbdd-0c64-4c7a-aa5c-114b20b68273

Originally posted by NCommand:
More confirmation that Mangini will move the OLB's around and collectively scheme pressure (on the loss of Aldon). He loves how Ahmad can play anywhere...really big on 'flexibility' within his scheme.

http://www.49ers.com/video/videos/Eric-Mangini-Gives-Update-on-Defense/c851bbdd-0c64-4c7a-aa5c-114b20b68273

Nice video to watch

Originally posted by tohara3:

Originally posted by NCommand:
More confirmation that Mangini will move the OLB's around and collectively scheme pressure (on the loss of Aldon). He loves how Ahmad can play anywhere...really big on 'flexibility' within his scheme.

http://www.49ers.com/video/videos/Eric-Mangini-Gives-Update-on-Defense/c851bbdd-0c64-4c7a-aa5c-114b20b68273

Nice video to watch

Insightful. Oscar and partner over at NN on their podcast had a nice piece on the 4-man S defense the Cardinals have been running. In Staley's 1on1 interview today, he also referenced that we play a similar-style defense and with Mangini dialing up the blitzes right now, it's helping the OL get prepared for AZ.

You gotta love this forward-thinking!

Originally posted by NCommand:
Insightful. Oscar and partner over at NN on their podcast had a nice piece on the 4-man S defense the Cardinals have been running. In Staley's 1on1 interview today, he also referenced that we play a similar-style defense and with Mangini dialing up the blitzes right now, it's helping the OL get prepared for AZ.

You gotta love this forward-thinking!

This!

SMART!! Prepping out guys for the inevitable blitzes that AZ, Rams, Seahawks and others will be using.

Originally posted by LasVegasWally:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Insightful. Oscar and partner over at NN on their podcast had a nice piece on the 4-man S defense the Cardinals have been running. In Staley's 1on1 interview today, he also referenced that we play a similar-style defense and with Mangini dialing up the blitzes right now, it's helping the OL get prepared for AZ.

You gotta love this forward-thinking!

This!

SMART!! Prepping out guys for the inevitable blitzes that AZ, Rams, Seahawks and others will be using.

And I like how Mangini is doing it early...light them up...go watch the film as a unit...come back out and get better...which they have.

But with this new scheme you can see why the defense is so excited!

I feel bad for Mangini because I think he is a very capable and smart DC. Now with the loss of Aldon he's going to have to be even better. I felt this D would have been the most talented he's ever had. Losing Aldon though he is elite and a huge loss to the pass rush. I really hope Lynch and Harold will be able to provide a consistent pass rush from the outside and Tank's progression becomes even more critical from the inside along with Dockett on 3rd down. Basically everybody is going to have to step up production with Aldon now gone because I think he was poised for a monster year. We have to get something pass rush wise out of Lemonier because he now is higher on the depth chart. I will even take what he did his first year. Armstead and Dial will be critical to the OLB tying up blockers but I think they are up for it.