Eric Mangini Thread

Originally posted by jonesadrian:

Originally posted by pasodoc9er:
no doubt, NC, from a distance, we are double bat screwed. Put a magnifying glass on it, tho, and I like what I see....ok, laugh but I like us better than last yr. Minority opinion, but I feel really upbeat about our coaching staff. Last yr, I did not. and yes, the OL is stil l the big ??? But I like our OL better than last yr when we couldn't pass block. this yr, I think kap actually has a chance, in large part because our coaching staff is going to help coach around our OL weakness. Last yr OL couldn't pass bloc and that was that. This yr the coaches are going to try and coach around that weakness....exactly what I called for last yr... And it never happened. this yr there is hope.

And by 6-8 games in, watch bell and brown move to starters....Brown makes the rock that anchors the R side, and bell becomes that big TE that nobody can stop.

Well offensively I am excited because we won't be putting square pegs into round holes. Whatever is best for us is what we'll do and there wasn't a willingness to do that the past 4 years.

Defensively I was fine with Fangio except when he would wave the white flag and not do the simple things to win (Will not forgive him for bending over in Denver last year and allowing Peyton do to whatever he wanted.. no press coverage, no blitz just straight up back off let them run wild)

Mangini will not do that. He will not limit the players that play on game day. He will use everyone and keep everyone engaged. He will make adjustments and he is trying to take the ball away from them instead of trying to hold a team to as few points as possible and there is a difference.

I got so much crap for calling out Fangio's scheme that game.

You can see the BIG difference with Mangini and he was playing pretty vanilla against him and still worked him...6 points, got smashed, pressured, dove on the ground in the fetal position like a b!tch, hearing the footsteps, throwing up crappy passes, poor decision making, etc.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by jonesadrian:

Originally posted by pasodoc9er:

no doubt, NC, from a distance, we are double bat screwed. Put a magnifying glass on it, tho, and I like what I see....ok, laugh but I like us better than last yr. Minority opinion, but I feel really upbeat about our coaching staff. Last yr, I did not. and yes, the OL is stil l the big ??? But I like our OL better than last yr when we couldn't pass block. this yr, I think kap actually has a chance, in large part because our coaching staff is going to help coach around our OL weakness. Last yr OL couldn't pass bloc and that was that. This yr the coaches are going to try and coach around that weakness....exactly what I called for last yr... And it never happened. this yr there is hope.

And by 6-8 games in, watch bell and brown move to starters....Brown makes the rock that anchors the R side, and bell becomes that big TE that nobody can stop.

Well offensively I am excited because we won't be putting square pegs into round holes. Whatever is best for us is what we'll do and there wasn't a willingness to do that the past 4 years.

Defensively I was fine with Fangio except when he would wave the white flag and not do the simple things to win (Will not forgive him for bending over in Denver last year and allowing Peyton do to whatever he wanted.. no press coverage, no blitz just straight up back off let them run wild)

Mangini will not do that. He will not limit the players that play on game day. He will use everyone and keep everyone engaged. He will make adjustments and he is trying to take the ball away from them instead of trying to hold a team to as few points as possible and there is a difference.

I got so much crap for calling out Fangio's scheme that game.

You can see the BIG difference with Mangini and he was playing pretty vanilla against him and still worked him...6 points, got smashed, pressured, dove on the ground in the fetal position like a b!tch, hearing the footsteps, throwing up crappy passes, poor decision making, etc.

In recent interviews I recall one of the defensive players talking about Mangini's scheme is specifically designed to cause TURNOVERS. I like that.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by jonesadrian:
Well offensively I am excited because we won't be putting square pegs into round holes. Whatever is best for us is what we'll do and there wasn't a willingness to do that the past 4 years.

Defensively I was fine with Fangio except when he would wave the white flag and not do the simple things to win (Will not forgive him for bending over in Denver last year and allowing Peyton do to whatever he wanted.. no press coverage, no blitz just straight up back off let them run wild)

Mangini will not do that. He will not limit the players that play on game day. He will use everyone and keep everyone engaged. He will make adjustments and he is trying to take the ball away from them instead of trying to hold a team to as few points as possible and there is a difference.

Mangini is a smug d******d. But as 49ers fans, he's now our smug d******d. All the guys that came out of New England having worked under Belichick are pretty much pricks(Crennel, McDaniel...etc) but Mangini is the Luke Skywalker to Belichick's Obi-Wan in terms of being an a*****e.

He's the type of dood to keep keep going after a team when he has them down, kicking sand in their faces whenever possible. His aggressiveness will work against him at times and will likely yield some big plays but it will also lead to some big plays on defense and I think you can count on him to not just shut it down if this team is up by say...10 points at the half.

that would have saved us a lot of headaches over the past couple of years. throat ripping people mcgruber style instead of sitting back could've yielded way more blow outs instead of these close games we had with teams that had no business in the same ball park as us.

Originally posted by Joecool:
Mangini better come through. Honestly, I don't know what he would do if Bowman wasn't on this team. Bo alone will make things much easier for the DB's. I don't see Moody or Skov doing much more than an average LBer. Borland shined every time he got a chance and that resulted in being one of the top rookie backers in the league. Moody or Skov have not shined. We will still need to look for a true starter next to Bo.

Let's be fair. The moment he had the real starters out there we looked damn good.
So when we have the real guys out there fully like ian dorsey and dial being hogs with lynch actually rushing things will look better.

Look for another vanilla D tonite, maybe showing few things, but I think mangini will just do enough to make it interesting. Man do I ever want to see that first reg season game. There are going to be some mighty surprised folks following that game, and a good part of it will be because of mangini's efforts. No more fangio Mr nice guy. We get somebody down, I think mangini is going to dump all over them and make teams leave here wishing never to come back. Vic, with his pro bowl front 7, sure did not much with all the talent he had. This yr, less talent, but better D. And a lot more aggressive. I look at mangini as a bowling ball rolling down the lane with a lit fuse and full charge underneath. I don't think folks are going to like playing us as much as they think.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by jonesadrian:

Originally posted by pasodoc9er:
no doubt, NC, from a distance, we are double bat screwed. Put a magnifying glass on it, tho, and I like what I see....ok, laugh but I like us better than last yr. Minority opinion, but I feel really upbeat about our coaching staff. Last yr, I did not. and yes, the OL is stil l the big ??? But I like our OL better than last yr when we couldn't pass block. this yr, I think kap actually has a chance, in large part because our coaching staff is going to help coach around our OL weakness. Last yr OL couldn't pass bloc and that was that. This yr the coaches are going to try and coach around that weakness....exactly what I called for last yr... And it never happened. this yr there is hope.

And by 6-8 games in, watch bell and brown move to starters....Brown makes the rock that anchors the R side, and bell becomes that big TE that nobody can stop.

Well offensively I am excited because we won't be putting square pegs into round holes. Whatever is best for us is what we'll do and there wasn't a willingness to do that the past 4 years.

Defensively I was fine with Fangio except when he would wave the white flag and not do the simple things to win (Will not forgive him for bending over in Denver last year and allowing Peyton do to whatever he wanted.. no press coverage, no blitz just straight up back off let them run wild)

Mangini will not do that. He will not limit the players that play on game day. He will use everyone and keep everyone engaged. He will make adjustments and he is trying to take the ball away from them instead of trying to hold a team to as few points as possible and there is a difference.

I got so much crap for calling out Fangio's scheme that game.

You can see the BIG difference with Mangini and he was playing pretty vanilla against him and still worked him...6 points, got smashed, pressured, dove on the ground in the fetal position like a b!tch, hearing the footsteps, throwing up crappy passes, poor decision making, etc.

I was there with you.
Beat the opponent. Not hope for the best.

Originally posted by jonesadrian:

Originally posted by Joecool:
Mangini better come through. Honestly, I don't know what he would do if Bowman wasn't on this team. Bo alone will make things much easier for the DB's. I don't see Moody or Skov doing much more than an average LBer. Borland shined every time he got a chance and that resulted in being one of the top rookie backers in the league. Moody or Skov have not shined. We will still need to look for a true starter next to Bo.

Let's be fair. The moment he had the real starters out there we looked damn good.
So when we have the real guys out there fully like ian dorsey and dial being hogs with lynch actually rushing things will look better.

agree, i really have no worries about our defense. the last several years have set a pretty high bar of expectations but I think we will be more than solid all the way across. am very excited about our kids in the secondary and of course one of the best safety combinations around

Originally posted by pasodoc9er:
Look for another vanilla D tonite, maybe showing few things, but I think mangini will just do enough to make it interesting. Man do I ever want to see that first reg season game. There are going to be some mighty surprised folks following that game, and a good part of it will be because of mangini's efforts. No more fangio Mr nice guy. We get somebody down, I think mangini is going to dump all over them and make teams leave here wishing never to come back. Vic, with his pro bowl front 7, sure did not much with all the talent he had. This yr, less talent, but better D. And a lot more aggressive. I look at mangini as a bowling ball rolling down the lane with a lit fuse and full charge underneath. I don't think folks are going to like playing us as much as they think.

He gets a complete pass tonight. It's the 4th preseason game he's already planning for the 1st regular season game. He could ask madden all night tonight and i wouldn't care.

Originally posted by cciowa:

Originally posted by jonesadrian:

Originally posted by Joecool:
Mangini better come through. Honestly, I don't know what he would do if Bowman wasn't on this team. Bo alone will make things much easier for the DB's. I don't see Moody or Skov doing much more than an average LBer. Borland shined every time he got a chance and that resulted in being one of the top rookie backers in the league. Moody or Skov have not shined. We will still need to look for a true starter next to Bo.

Let's be fair. The moment he had the real starters out there we looked damn good.
So when we have the real guys out there fully like ian dorsey and dial being hogs with lynch actually rushing things will look better.

agree, i really have no worries about our defense. the last several years have set a pretty high bar of expectations but I think we will be more than solid all the way across. am very excited about our kids in the secondary and of course one of the best safety combinations around

lol just imagine if he had aldon and patrick willis to work with

Originally posted by jonesadrian:

Originally posted by pasodoc9er:
Look for another vanilla D tonite, maybe showing few things, but I think mangini will just do enough to make it interesting. Man do I ever want to see that first reg season game. There are going to be some mighty surprised folks following that game, and a good part of it will be because of mangini's efforts. No more fangio Mr nice guy. We get somebody down, I think mangini is going to dump all over them and make teams leave here wishing never to come back. Vic, with his pro bowl front 7, sure did not much with all the talent he had. This yr, less talent, but better D. And a lot more aggressive. I look at mangini as a bowling ball rolling down the lane with a lit fuse and full charge underneath. I don't think folks are going to like playing us as much as they think.

He gets a complete pass tonight. It's the 4th preseason game he's already planning for the 1st regular season game. He could ask madden all night tonight and i wouldn't care.

oh yes,, tonight is the least important game in the entire year,, at the same time this is the game i worry the most about in regards to injuries. i hate the pre season,, i really do

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by jonesadrian:

Originally posted by pasodoc9er:
no doubt, NC, from a distance, we are double bat screwed. Put a magnifying glass on it, tho, and I like what I see....ok, laugh but I like us better than last yr. Minority opinion, but I feel really upbeat about our coaching staff. Last yr, I did not. and yes, the OL is stil l the big ??? But I like our OL better than last yr when we couldn't pass block. this yr, I think kap actually has a chance, in large part because our coaching staff is going to help coach around our OL weakness. Last yr OL couldn't pass bloc and that was that. This yr the coaches are going to try and coach around that weakness....exactly what I called for last yr... And it never happened. this yr there is hope.

And by 6-8 games in, watch bell and brown move to starters....Brown makes the rock that anchors the R side, and bell becomes that big TE that nobody can stop.

Well offensively I am excited because we won't be putting square pegs into round holes. Whatever is best for us is what we'll do and there wasn't a willingness to do that the past 4 years.

Defensively I was fine with Fangio except when he would wave the white flag and not do the simple things to win (Will not forgive him for bending over in Denver last year and allowing Peyton do to whatever he wanted.. no press coverage, no blitz just straight up back off let them run wild)

Mangini will not do that. He will not limit the players that play on game day. He will use everyone and keep everyone engaged. He will make adjustments and he is trying to take the ball away from them instead of trying to hold a team to as few points as possible and there is a difference.

I got so much crap for calling out Fangio's scheme that game.

You can see the BIG difference with Mangini and he was playing pretty vanilla against him and still worked him...6 points, got smashed, pressured, dove on the ground in the fetal position like a b!tch, hearing the footsteps, throwing up crappy passes, poor decision making, etc.

I remember that. So we can excuse the 49ers for 'not scheming' and that's why Kap's pass pro is crap, but when Bow blitz's and gets pressure it's great scheming by Mangini? Keep in mind that Bow was not in the game last season and neither was the 49ers best press corner. Not every corner can play press. It's not as simple as saying "hey go press Demarius Thomas", and that will contain the DEN offense.
Here's a reminder of what happened when Brock tried to press DThomas. Cox is not a press corner. Cully was out with an injury.

Originally posted by OnTheClock:
In recent interviews I recall one of the defensive players talking about Mangini's scheme is specifically designed to cause TURNOVERS. I like that.

Its riverboat gambling style defense, it will definitely up the turnovers but will also result in some big plays for the offense, less conservative means less margin for error.

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by jonesadrian:

Originally posted by pasodoc9er:
no doubt, NC, from a distance, we are double bat screwed. Put a magnifying glass on it, tho, and I like what I see....ok, laugh but I like us better than last yr. Minority opinion, but I feel really upbeat about our coaching staff. Last yr, I did not. and yes, the OL is stil l the big ??? But I like our OL better than last yr when we couldn't pass block. this yr, I think kap actually has a chance, in large part because our coaching staff is going to help coach around our OL weakness. Last yr OL couldn't pass bloc and that was that. This yr the coaches are going to try and coach around that weakness....exactly what I called for last yr... And it never happened. this yr there is hope.

And by 6-8 games in, watch bell and brown move to starters....Brown makes the rock that anchors the R side, and bell becomes that big TE that nobody can stop.

Well offensively I am excited because we won't be putting square pegs into round holes. Whatever is best for us is what we'll do and there wasn't a willingness to do that the past 4 years.

Defensively I was fine with Fangio except when he would wave the white flag and not do the simple things to win (Will not forgive him for bending over in Denver last year and allowing Peyton do to whatever he wanted.. no press coverage, no blitz just straight up back off let them run wild)

Mangini will not do that. He will not limit the players that play on game day. He will use everyone and keep everyone engaged. He will make adjustments and he is trying to take the ball away from them instead of trying to hold a team to as few points as possible and there is a difference.

I got so much crap for calling out Fangio's scheme that game.

You can see the BIG difference with Mangini and he was playing pretty vanilla against him and still worked him...6 points, got smashed, pressured, dove on the ground in the fetal position like a b!tch, hearing the footsteps, throwing up crappy passes, poor decision making, etc.

I remember that. So we can excuse the 49ers for 'not scheming' and that's why Kap's pass pro is crap, but when Bow blitz's and gets pressure it's great scheming by Mangini? Keep in mind that Bow was not in the game last season and neither was the 49ers best press corner. Not every corner can play press. It's not as simple as saying "hey go press Demarius Thomas", and that will contain the DEN offense.
Here's a reminder of what happened when Brock tried to press DThomas. Cox is not a press corner. Cully was out with an injury.

Yeah, truth is, Brock was still ailing and was starting for the first time...can't remember who the other CB was...was Ward even in there? We were pretty depleted in that game with injuries IIRC and Fangio just called off all game and Manning didn't break a sweat. All passes out quick...almost all receivers were wide open. It did have that feel we just gave Manning a pass on his historic night. Context is important. I still felt Fangio should have just said, "Screw it...we're bringing the heat and jam-pressing with the personnel we do have and make Manning beat us," but that's just my mindset every time against Manning as I believe the book has always been written on him this way. He probably still would have carved us up but at least it would 'feel' like we gave it a go.

That's also a good example of press...with a 100% clean release. I believe the discussion we had during that game was jam-press at the LOS...squaring up and trying to disrupt the timing of the play, reroute the WR, force him to work through you, etc. ala Seattle's DB's at times.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by OnTheClock:
In recent interviews I recall one of the defensive players talking about Mangini's scheme is specifically designed to cause TURNOVERS. I like that.

Its riverboat gambling style defense, it will definitely up the turnovers but will also result in some big plays for the offense, less conservative means less margin for error.

I don't buy that completely. There are plenty of ways to scheme and disguise while not sacrificing personnel or putting players on islands and in tough spots. Mangini is just as big on creating pre and post snap confusion not only in who the pressure is coming from (or if it's coming at all) to coverage on the back end as well. I don't envision this defense like the old Jets of bringing 8 blitzers every play and hoping the CB's can hold it down 1on1 on the back end every time.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by OnTheClock:

In recent interviews I recall one of the defensive players talking about Mangini's scheme is specifically designed to cause TURNOVERS. I like that.

Its riverboat gambling style defense, it will definitely up the turnovers but will also result in some big plays for the offense, less conservative means less margin for error.

With any system, the calls are gameplan specific, so as long as you're making the right calls -- whether you're more aggressive or conservative -- your team will succeed. I don't expect all out blitzes all game every game. Right now, it remains to be seen if he can make the right calls. A conservative DC who sucks at making the calls would have our defense playing poorly or at risk of choking away leads. Either way, there's great risk -- just different kinds of it. If you're good, you're good.

It is what it is right now and all we can do is hope for the best.