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Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by Allx9er:
Only reason why this thread is 30 + pages is neither has done enough to seperate themselves

One's a starter the other is not coming back at his current salary...his not starter quality and hasn't been for a while.

http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/2773/deangelo-hall

CSN Mid-Atlantic's Tarik El-Bashir believes DeAngelo Hall could open 2016 as a starter at safety for the Redskins.

Hall performed well after making the switch to safety late last season, and an offseason working at the position will only make him more comfortable. Coach Jay Gruden said he think Hall will "solidify himself as one of the top safeties in the league." The spot next to Hall remains an open question. Dashon Goldson is unlikely to return at his current $8 million cap hit, and he is not starter quality at this point in his career anyway. The Redskins should address the position in free agency or the draft. Feb 20 - 9:44 AM
Source: CSN Washington

The reason it's 30 plus pages is because you have the same people that always hate on every player on SF commenting on it OR the same people hating on every single player Baalke has drafted...that's basically what this thread and many others have turned into... its pretty old and stale IMO.

If someone can't honestly see Reid is a better safety overall than Goldston then hey aren't being objective and have other motives.

If you watched Goldson at all this season, youd slap yourself
Originally posted by 4everFaithful:
If you watched Goldson at all this season, youd slap yourself

I watchNFC east games all the damn time where I live so yeah I've seen him...horrible in coverage.

FYI that wasn't just me saying that...that was writers in DC who watch thier games a whole lot more then us
[ Edited by NYniner85 on Feb 20, 2016 at 12:04 PM ]
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Originally posted by 4everFaithful:
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by Allx9er:
Only reason why this thread is 30 + pages is neither has done enough to seperate themselves

One's a starter the other is not coming back at his current salary...his not starter quality and hasn't been for a while.

http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/2773/deangelo-hall

CSN Mid-Atlantic's Tarik El-Bashir believes DeAngelo Hall could open 2016 as a starter at safety for the Redskins.

Hall performed well after making the switch to safety late last season, and an offseason working at the position will only make him more comfortable. Coach Jay Gruden said he think Hall will "solidify himself as one of the top safeties in the league." The spot next to Hall remains an open question. Dashon Goldson is unlikely to return at his current $8 million cap hit, and he is not starter quality at this point in his career anyway. The Redskins should address the position in free agency or the draft. Feb 20 - 9:44 AM
Source: CSN Washington

The reason it's 30 plus pages is because you have the same people that always hate on every player on SF commenting on it OR the same people hating on every single player Baalke has drafted...that's basically what this thread and many others have turned into... its pretty old and stale IMO.

If someone can't honestly see Reid is a better safety overall than Goldston then hey aren't being objective and have other motives.

If you watched Goldson at all this season, youd slap yourself

PFF watched more Goldson than you did, and said he was horrible last year.

You're not only calling yourself a better NFL scout than PFF, but youre saying PFF knows nothing about football. Is that really the stance you want to take?
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Originally posted by NYniner85:
I watchNFC east games all the damn time where I live so yeah I've seen him...horrible in coverage.

FYI that wasn't just me saying that...that was writers in DC who watch thier games a whole lot more then us

He's been horrible period since he got his big pay day from the Bucs.
Originally posted by Niners99:
Originally posted by 4everFaithful:
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by Allx9er:
Only reason why this thread is 30 + pages is neither has done enough to seperate themselves

One's a starter the other is not coming back at his current salary...his not starter quality and hasn't been for a while.

http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/2773/deangelo-hall

CSN Mid-Atlantic's Tarik El-Bashir believes DeAngelo Hall could open 2016 as a starter at safety for the Redskins.

Hall performed well after making the switch to safety late last season, and an offseason working at the position will only make him more comfortable. Coach Jay Gruden said he think Hall will "solidify himself as one of the top safeties in the league." The spot next to Hall remains an open question. Dashon Goldson is unlikely to return at his current $8 million cap hit, and he is not starter quality at this point in his career anyway. The Redskins should address the position in free agency or the draft. Feb 20 - 9:44 AM
Source: CSN Washington

The reason it's 30 plus pages is because you have the same people that always hate on every player on SF commenting on it OR the same people hating on every single player Baalke has drafted...that's basically what this thread and many others have turned into... its pretty old and stale IMO.

If someone can't honestly see Reid is a better safety overall than Goldston then hey aren't being objective and have other motives.

If you watched Goldson at all this season, youd slap yourself

PFF watched more Goldson than you did, and said he was horrible last year.

You're not only calling yourself a better NFL scout than PFF, but youre saying PFF knows nothing about football. Is that really the stance you want to take?

No, im not denying PFF is a viable statistic, what im saying is, PFF is unreliable if used as THE only source of your argument... you cannot only look at PFF, but not watch the player, ignore his tackles, INTS, and passes deflected as if theyre pointles...

Do you really believe that scouts only use PFF and nothing else?? You dont think they watch the player with their own eyes? Or view other statistics? PFF is very flawed if used as your only tool, you have to take other factors in account as well.. cant just use the same argument over and over... "he sucks at coverage, here is the PFF".. when a majorirty of you bashing Goldson didnt even take the time to watch him this yr...

I played in a IDP fantasy league this yr where I had Goldson on my team, this dude was one of the highest scoring Safties in fantasy this league.. now im aware that doesnt mean he was good in coverage, but it does speak on belhalf of his playmaking ability.. he racked me up an average of 8 tackles a game, got and INT or a TD here and there, forced some fumbles.. hes not as bad as many of you claim.. and Reid has a lot to prove before I claim he was ever better than Goldson in his prime let alone even today
Originally posted by Hopper:
Originally posted by NYniner85:
I watchNFC east games all the damn time where I live so yeah I've seen him...horrible in coverage.

FYI that wasn't just me saying that...that was writers in DC who watch thier games a whole lot more then us

He's been horrible period since he got his big pay day from the Bucs.

Another issue I have, YES he played terrible with the bucs..but did u even watch him with Washington or are u just assuming he still sucks? They appointed him team captain for a reason. Hes one of the best players on their defense.
Originally posted by 4everFaithful:
No, im not denying PFF is a viable statistic, what im saying is, PFF is unreliable if used as THE only source of your argument... you cannot only look at PFF, but not watch the player, ignore his tackles, INTS, and passes deflected as if theyre pointles...

Do you really believe that scouts only use PFF and nothing else?? You dont think they watch the player with their own eyes? Or view other statistics? PFF is very flawed if used as your only tool, you have to take other factors in account as well.. cant just use the same argument over and over... "he sucks at coverage, here is the PFF".. when a majorirty of you bashing Goldson didnt even take the time to watch him this yr...

I played in a IDP fantasy league this yr where I had Goldson on my team, this dude was one of the highest scoring Safties in fantasy this league.. now im aware that doesnt mean he was good in coverage, but it does speak on belhalf of his playmaking ability.. he racked me up an average of 8 tackles a game, got and INT or a TD here and there, forced some fumbles.. hes not as bad as many of you claim.. and Reid has a lot to prove before I claim he was ever better than Goldson in his prime let alone even today

Lol fantasy football as means of evaluating a player!? Especially a defensive player at that...did he lose pts for missed tackles, blown coverages, and PIs???
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by 4everFaithful:
No, im not denying PFF is a viable statistic, what im saying is, PFF is unreliable if used as THE only source of your argument... you cannot only look at PFF, but not watch the player, ignore his tackles, INTS, and passes deflected as if theyre pointles...

Do you really believe that scouts only use PFF and nothing else?? You dont think they watch the player with their own eyes? Or view other statistics? PFF is very flawed if used as your only tool, you have to take other factors in account as well.. cant just use the same argument over and over... "he sucks at coverage, here is the PFF".. when a majorirty of you bashing Goldson didnt even take the time to watch him this yr...

I played in a IDP fantasy league this yr where I had Goldson on my team, this dude was one of the highest scoring Safties in fantasy this league.. now im aware that doesnt mean he was good in coverage, but it does speak on belhalf of his playmaking ability.. he racked me up an average of 8 tackles a game, got and INT or a TD here and there, forced some fumbles.. hes not as bad as many of you claim.. and Reid has a lot to prove before I claim he was ever better than Goldson in his prime let alone even today

Lol fantasy football as means of evaluating a player!? Especially a defensive player at that...did he lose pts for missed tackles, blown coverages, and PIs???

Yes in my league he did, you lose points for tds/catches allowed and PIs...
Originally posted by 4everFaithful:
Originally posted by Hopper:
Originally posted by NYniner85:
I watchNFC east games all the damn time where I live so yeah I've seen him...horrible in coverage.

FYI that wasn't just me saying that...that was writers in DC who watch thier games a whole lot more then us

He's been horrible period since he got his big pay day from the Bucs.

Another issue I have, YES he played terrible with the bucs..but did u even watch him with Washington or are u just assuming he still sucks? They appointed him team captain for a reason. Hes one of the best players on their defense.

What best players!? Breeland was better, hall was better at safety, baker was better, Kerrigan was better etc...good players aren't always team captains man and it's not assuming he's not a complete safety soild against the run but one of the worst coverage safeties in the league that's the truth.
[ Edited by 4everFaithful on Feb 20, 2016 at 1:42 PM ]
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by 4everFaithful:
Originally posted by Hopper:
Originally posted by NYniner85:
I watchNFC east games all the damn time where I live so yeah I've seen him...horrible in coverage.

FYI that wasn't just me saying that...that was writers in DC who watch thier games a whole lot more then us

He's been horrible period since he got his big pay day from the Bucs.

Another issue I have, YES he played terrible with the bucs..but did u even watch him with Washington or are u just assuming he still sucks? They appointed him team captain for a reason. Hes one of the best players on their defense.

What best players!? Breeland was better, hall was better at safety, baker was better, Kerrigan was better etc...good players aren't always team captains man and it's not assuming he's not a complete safety soild against the run but one of the worst coverage safeties in the league that's the truth.

Is he the best at coverage? No.. but is he as bad of a saftey as you claim? No..
Originally posted by Hopper:
Originally posted by NYniner85:
I watchNFC east games all the damn time where I live so yeah I've seen him...horrible in coverage.

FYI that wasn't just me saying that...that was writers in DC who watch thier games a whole lot more then us

He's been horrible period since he got his big pay day from the Bucs.

Right?! Gets paid like a top 5 safeties and has not even come close to living up to that...we got rid of him just in time lol
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by Hopper:
Originally posted by NYniner85:
I watchNFC east games all the damn time where I live so yeah I've seen him...horrible in coverage.

FYI that wasn't just me saying that...that was writers in DC who watch thier games a whole lot more then us

He's been horrible period since he got his big pay day from the Bucs.

Right?! Gets paid like a top 5 safeties and has not even come close to living up to that...we got rid of him just in time lol

Do u ever ask yourself why the bucs paid him top 5 saftey money?? Idk.. maybe becuase the gm thought he was a top 5 safety!
http://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/jan/6/dashon-goldson-redskins-leadership-captain/
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