Dashon Goldson

Originally posted by 4everFaithful:
Do u ever ask yourself why the bucs paid him top 5 saftey money?? Idk.. maybe becuase the gm thought he was a top 5 safety!

He was wrong and he doesn't have an nfl front office job right now.

Originally posted by 4everFaithful:

Do u ever ask yourself why the bucs paid him top 5 saftey money?? Idk.. maybe becuase the gm thought he was a top 5 safety!

Lol just because a team over spends for a player doesn't make them a great player...go look at Albert haynesworth.

Originally posted by Hopper:

Originally posted by 4everFaithful:

Do u ever ask yourself why the bucs paid him top 5 saftey money?? Idk.. maybe becuase the gm thought he was a top 5 safety!

He was wrong and he doesn't have an nfl front office job right now.

This ^^

Originally posted by 4everFaithful:

Is he the best at coverage? No.. but is he as bad of a saftey as you claim? No..

He's not even close too good in coverage and that's what the team needed...they didn't need a PI machine blowing coverages that wanted $8 million a year!

I'm shocked at the amount of hate for such a great 49ers player.. you call yourself fans?

Ill go out on a limb and say that Goldson may just be the 2nd best safety in 49ers history behind Lott

Originally posted by 4everFaithful:
Ill go out on a limb and say that Goldson may just be the 2nd best safety in 49ers history behind Lott

You would be wrong. Hanks and McDonald were much better safeties.

Originally posted by SFrush:

Originally posted by 4everFaithful:

Ill go out on a limb and say that Goldson may just be the 2nd best safety in 49ers history behind Lott

You would be wrong. Hanks and McDonald were much better safeties.

Didnt get to witness that era. Best safeties i saw are schulters parrish goldson and whitner

Originally posted by 4everFaithful:

Originally posted by Niners99:

Originally posted by 4everFaithful:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Allx9er:

Only reason why this thread is 30 + pages is neither has done enough to seperate themselves

One's a starter the other is not coming back at his current salary...his not starter quality and hasn't been for a while.

http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/2773/deangelo-hall

CSN Mid-Atlantic's Tarik El-Bashir believes DeAngelo Hall could open 2016 as a starter at safety for the Redskins.

Hall performed well after making the switch to safety late last season, and an offseason working at the position will only make him more comfortable. Coach Jay Gruden said he think Hall will "solidify himself as one of the top safeties in the league." The spot next to Hall remains an open question. Dashon Goldson is unlikely to return at his current $8 million cap hit, and he is not starter quality at this point in his career anyway. The Redskins should address the position in free agency or the draft. Feb 20 - 9:44 AM
Source: CSN Washington

The reason it's 30 plus pages is because you have the same people that always hate on every player on SF commenting on it OR the same people hating on every single player Baalke has drafted...that's basically what this thread and many others have turned into... its pretty old and stale IMO.

If someone can't honestly see Reid is a better safety overall than Goldston then hey aren't being objective and have other motives.

If you watched Goldson at all this season, youd slap yourself

PFF watched more Goldson than you did, and said he was horrible last year.

You're not only calling yourself a better NFL scout than PFF, but youre saying PFF knows nothing about football. Is that really the stance you want to take?

No, im not denying PFF is a viable statistic, what im saying is, PFF is unreliable if used as THE only source of your argument... you cannot only look at PFF, but not watch the player, ignore his tackles, INTS, and passes deflected as if theyre pointles...

Do you really believe that scouts only use PFF and nothing else?? You dont think they watch the player with their own eyes? Or view other statistics? PFF is very flawed if used as your only tool, you have to take other factors in account as well.. cant just use the same argument over and over... "he sucks at coverage, here is the PFF".. when a majorirty of you bashing Goldson didnt even take the time to watch him this yr...

I played in a IDP fantasy league this yr where I had Goldson on my team, this dude was one of the highest scoring Safties in fantasy this league.. now im aware that doesnt mean he was good in coverage, but it does speak on belhalf of his playmaking ability.. he racked me up an average of 8 tackles a game, got and INT or a TD here and there, forced some fumbles.. hes not as bad as many of you claim.. and Reid has a lot to prove before I claim he was ever better than Goldson in his prime let alone even today

Fantasy sports mean nothing.

Scouts dont ONLY use PFF, but the fact that they DO use it shows you that its legit.

My point is, if the PFF scouts know what theyre talking about, which you seem to concede, then how do you explain the fact that Goldson has graded out at a -66.0 for his career? That is horrendous. Either PFF is lying, or youre way off base in calling Goldson a great player. Or even a good player...

Goldson is good at SOME things in the game of football. Hes fast, and he hits with a heavy shoulder, which can cause turnovers. But none of that matters if you cant cover, cant tackle properly, and commit tons of penalties. Those 3 negatives make up WAY more of his game than the occasional positives that hes good at.

Fans see big hits, and forced fumbles, and gravitate towards that. Thats such a small part of the picture.

The fact is, Goldson hurts his team more than he helps them. When he played on an elite D here in SF, he could hide his inefficiencies behind a spectacular front 7. He would hang back and play center field, looking for a big hit or just ballhawking. You cant do that in an average D. You have to be able to cover deep, and wrap up your tackles. Goldson doesnt do those things well, which is why he gets ripped apart in the PFF grades.

Originally posted by 4everFaithful:

Originally posted by SFrush:

Originally posted by 4everFaithful:

Ill go out on a limb and say that Goldson may just be the 2nd best safety in 49ers history behind Lott

You would be wrong. Hanks and McDonald were much better safeties.

Didnt get to witness that era. Best safeties i saw are schulters parrish goldson and whitner

SMH...

Goldson the 2nd best S in Niner history?? Goldson wasnt even the 2nd best S to play for Jim Harbaugh.

Hanks and McDonald were a special duo. They make those four S you just listed look like nobodies.

Originally posted by Niners99:

Originally posted by 4everFaithful:

Originally posted by Niners99:

Originally posted by 4everFaithful:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Allx9er:

Only reason why this thread is 30 + pages is neither has done enough to seperate themselves

One's a starter the other is not coming back at his current salary...his not starter quality and hasn't been for a while.

http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/2773/deangelo-hall

CSN Mid-Atlantic's Tarik El-Bashir believes DeAngelo Hall could open 2016 as a starter at safety for the Redskins.

Hall performed well after making the switch to safety late last season, and an offseason working at the position will only make him more comfortable. Coach Jay Gruden said he think Hall will "solidify himself as one of the top safeties in the league." The spot next to Hall remains an open question. Dashon Goldson is unlikely to return at his current $8 million cap hit, and he is not starter quality at this point in his career anyway. The Redskins should address the position in free agency or the draft. Feb 20 - 9:44 AM
Source: CSN Washington

The reason it's 30 plus pages is because you have the same people that always hate on every player on SF commenting on it OR the same people hating on every single player Baalke has drafted...that's basically what this thread and many others have turned into... its pretty old and stale IMO.

If someone can't honestly see Reid is a better safety overall than Goldston then hey aren't being objective and have other motives.

If you watched Goldson at all this season, youd slap yourself

PFF watched more Goldson than you did, and said he was horrible last year.

You're not only calling yourself a better NFL scout than PFF, but youre saying PFF knows nothing about football. Is that really the stance you want to take?

No, im not denying PFF is a viable statistic, what im saying is, PFF is unreliable if used as THE only source of your argument... you cannot only look at PFF, but not watch the player, ignore his tackles, INTS, and passes deflected as if theyre pointles...

Do you really believe that scouts only use PFF and nothing else?? You dont think they watch the player with their own eyes? Or view other statistics? PFF is very flawed if used as your only tool, you have to take other factors in account as well.. cant just use the same argument over and over... "he sucks at coverage, here is the PFF".. when a majorirty of you bashing Goldson didnt even take the time to watch him this yr...

I played in a IDP fantasy league this yr where I had Goldson on my team, this dude was one of the highest scoring Safties in fantasy this league.. now im aware that doesnt mean he was good in coverage, but it does speak on belhalf of his playmaking ability.. he racked me up an average of 8 tackles a game, got and INT or a TD here and there, forced some fumbles.. hes not as bad as many of you claim.. and Reid has a lot to prove before I claim he was ever better than Goldson in his prime let alone even today

Fantasy sports mean nothing.

Scouts dont ONLY use PFF, but the fact that they DO use it shows you that its legit.

My point is, if the PFF scouts know what theyre talking about, which you seem to concede, then how do you explain the fact that Goldson has graded out at a -66.0 for his career? That is horrendous. Either PFF is lying, or youre way off base in calling Goldson a great player. Or even a good player...

Goldson is good at SOME things in the game of football. Hes fast, and he hits with a heavy shoulder, which can cause turnovers. But none of that matters if you cant cover, cant tackle properly, and commit tons of penalties. Those 3 negatives make up WAY more of his game than the occasional positives that hes good at.

Fans see big hits, and forced fumbles, and gravitate towards that. Thats such a small part of the picture.

The fact is, Goldson hurts his team more than he helps them. When he played on an elite D here in SF, he could hide his inefficiencies behind a spectacular front 7. He would hang back and play center field, looking for a big hit or just ballhawking. You cant do that in an average D. You have to be able to cover deep, and wrap up your tackles. Goldson doesnt do those things well, which is why he gets ripped apart in the PFF grades.

I disagree I disagree I disagree

You really think Goldson hurt the team more than he helped them??

And do you think scouts pay any attention to tackles and INTs as well? Or do they just use PFF and throw every other statistic in the trash?

Originally posted by Niners99:

Originally posted by 4everFaithful:

Originally posted by SFrush:

Originally posted by 4everFaithful:

Ill go out on a limb and say that Goldson may just be the 2nd best safety in 49ers history behind Lott

You would be wrong. Hanks and McDonald were much better safeties.

Didnt get to witness that era. Best safeties i saw are schulters parrish goldson and whitner

SMH...

Goldson the 2nd best S in Niner history?? Goldson wasnt even the 2nd best S to play for Jim Harbaugh.

Hanks and McDonald were a special duo. They make those four S you just listed look like nobodies.

I dont think its that far fetched of a statement, Goldson is argubly top 3 great safties to ever put on a 9ers uniform.. defintely the best of the harbuagh era.. he was slightly better than donte imo

Originally posted by 4everFaithful:

Originally posted by Niners99:

Originally posted by 4everFaithful:

Originally posted by SFrush:

Originally posted by 4everFaithful:

Ill go out on a limb and say that Goldson may just be the 2nd best safety in 49ers history behind Lott

You would be wrong. Hanks and McDonald were much better safeties.

Didnt get to witness that era. Best safeties i saw are schulters parrish goldson and whitner

SMH...

Goldson the 2nd best S in Niner history?? Goldson wasnt even the 2nd best S to play for Jim Harbaugh.

Hanks and McDonald were a special duo. They make those four S you just listed look like nobodies.

I dont think its that far fetched of a statement, Goldson is argubly top 3 great safties to ever put on a 9ers uniform.. defintely the best of the harbuagh era.. he was slightly better than donte imo

Whitner and Bethea are both better S. Bethea's 2014 was better than any season Goldson had here.

You just admitted that Lance Schulters was as far back as you saw. How can you say Goldson was top 3? Lott, Hanks, McDonald. All FAR better S. So there is no argument for Goldson being top 3.

Originally posted by 4everFaithful:

Originally posted by Niners99:

Originally posted by 4everFaithful:

Originally posted by Niners99:

Originally posted by 4everFaithful:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Allx9er:

Only reason why this thread is 30 + pages is neither has done enough to seperate themselves

One's a starter the other is not coming back at his current salary...his not starter quality and hasn't been for a while.

http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/2773/deangelo-hall

CSN Mid-Atlantic's Tarik El-Bashir believes DeAngelo Hall could open 2016 as a starter at safety for the Redskins.

Hall performed well after making the switch to safety late last season, and an offseason working at the position will only make him more comfortable. Coach Jay Gruden said he think Hall will "solidify himself as one of the top safeties in the league." The spot next to Hall remains an open question. Dashon Goldson is unlikely to return at his current $8 million cap hit, and he is not starter quality at this point in his career anyway. The Redskins should address the position in free agency or the draft. Feb 20 - 9:44 AM
Source: CSN Washington

The reason it's 30 plus pages is because you have the same people that always hate on every player on SF commenting on it OR the same people hating on every single player Baalke has drafted...that's basically what this thread and many others have turned into... its pretty old and stale IMO.

If someone can't honestly see Reid is a better safety overall than Goldston then hey aren't being objective and have other motives.

If you watched Goldson at all this season, youd slap yourself

PFF watched more Goldson than you did, and said he was horrible last year.

You're not only calling yourself a better NFL scout than PFF, but youre saying PFF knows nothing about football. Is that really the stance you want to take?

No, im not denying PFF is a viable statistic, what im saying is, PFF is unreliable if used as THE only source of your argument... you cannot only look at PFF, but not watch the player, ignore his tackles, INTS, and passes deflected as if theyre pointles...

Do you really believe that scouts only use PFF and nothing else?? You dont think they watch the player with their own eyes? Or view other statistics? PFF is very flawed if used as your only tool, you have to take other factors in account as well.. cant just use the same argument over and over... "he sucks at coverage, here is the PFF".. when a majorirty of you bashing Goldson didnt even take the time to watch him this yr...

I played in a IDP fantasy league this yr where I had Goldson on my team, this dude was one of the highest scoring Safties in fantasy this league.. now im aware that doesnt mean he was good in coverage, but it does speak on belhalf of his playmaking ability.. he racked me up an average of 8 tackles a game, got and INT or a TD here and there, forced some fumbles.. hes not as bad as many of you claim.. and Reid has a lot to prove before I claim he was ever better than Goldson in his prime let alone even today

Fantasy sports mean nothing.

Scouts dont ONLY use PFF, but the fact that they DO use it shows you that its legit.

My point is, if the PFF scouts know what theyre talking about, which you seem to concede, then how do you explain the fact that Goldson has graded out at a -66.0 for his career? That is horrendous. Either PFF is lying, or youre way off base in calling Goldson a great player. Or even a good player...

Goldson is good at SOME things in the game of football. Hes fast, and he hits with a heavy shoulder, which can cause turnovers. But none of that matters if you cant cover, cant tackle properly, and commit tons of penalties. Those 3 negatives make up WAY more of his game than the occasional positives that hes good at.

Fans see big hits, and forced fumbles, and gravitate towards that. Thats such a small part of the picture.

The fact is, Goldson hurts his team more than he helps them. When he played on an elite D here in SF, he could hide his inefficiencies behind a spectacular front 7. He would hang back and play center field, looking for a big hit or just ballhawking. You cant do that in an average D. You have to be able to cover deep, and wrap up your tackles. Goldson doesnt do those things well, which is why he gets ripped apart in the PFF grades.

I disagree I disagree I disagree

You really think Goldson hurt the team more than he helped them??

And do you think scouts pay any attention to tackles and INTs as well? Or do they just use PFF and throw every other statistic in the trash?

Yes, I do. You dont seem to remember all the moronic late hit penalties, blown coverages, and missed tackles trying to make a highlight reel hits.

I dont think scouts GAF about tackles and INT's. Theyre statistically proven to be unreliable, and a product of happenstance. Did you play on a bad D that gets run on a lot, and stays on the field all day long? Your players are going to have higher tackle totals. Are you thrown at a lot? Those are extra opportunities for picks. Tipped balls factor in a ton, and are totally unpredictable. Picks and tackles are a waste of time for a scout to include in a report.

Scouts want to know how WELL you wrap up your tackles, and how good your coverage skills are.

I keep saying it without getting a response. If PFF knows what theyre talking about, Goldson is trash.

You cant say its both. Goldson is a career -66.0 player. Unless PFF's staff is a bunch of idiots who dont know football, you cant claim Goldson is a great player. -66.0 isnt a matter of opinion. Either hes not good, or PFF is incredibly stupid.

Originally posted by Niners99:

Originally posted by 4everFaithful:

Originally posted by Niners99:

Originally posted by 4everFaithful:

Originally posted by SFrush:

Originally posted by 4everFaithful:

Ill go out on a limb and say that Goldson may just be the 2nd best safety in 49ers history behind Lott

You would be wrong. Hanks and McDonald were much better safeties.

Didnt get to witness that era. Best safeties i saw are schulters parrish goldson and whitner

SMH...

Goldson the 2nd best S in Niner history?? Goldson wasnt even the 2nd best S to play for Jim Harbaugh.

Hanks and McDonald were a special duo. They make those four S you just listed look like nobodies.

I dont think its that far fetched of a statement, Goldson is argubly top 3 great safties to ever put on a 9ers uniform.. defintely the best of the harbuagh era.. he was slightly better than donte imo

Whitner and Bethea are both better S. Bethea's 2014 was better than any season Goldson had here.

You just admitted that Lance Schulters was as far back as you saw. How can you say Goldson was top 3? Lott, Hanks, McDonald. All FAR better S. So there is no argument for Goldson being top 3.

Right?! This is freaking crazy talk...Goldston top 3

He always looked for the big hit instead of the sure tackle or pass breakup...every once in a while you got a big hit, but most of the time it was a 15 yard PI or a big whiff. Look at the really good safeties in the league like Smith and Thomas both play the ball and don't get caught out of place like Goldson did and still does.

Reid is a better all around safety...I bet the redskins would get rid of Goldson for Reid in a heartbeat. This shouldn't even be a discussion IMO.