Dashon Goldson

Wtf so many of you guys turning your back on one of the cornerstones from our STOUT defense in 2011. Give the guy credit sheesh.

He was usually the one to set the tone of the game, the ballhawk would either come up with a really nice pick or lay the fvcking wood on some unlucky muthaf**ka.

Originally posted by insanemike27:

Niners99- You say that Goldson's pff score isn't your only argument and then never use any other measuring stick to validate it. Instead you discredit every other measuring device that has been used against your argument.

Every other measuring device? You mean "tackles and picks"? Thats the only actual evidence anyone has brought up besides "I remember he hit SO hard it was awesome!"

What I really want to know is, what were you guys watching in the years Goldson was here? Does nobody remember how he repeatedly used to come flying in after the play was over and ram his helmet into someone, drawing a late hit flag? Does nobody remember all the times his flying shoulder tackles missed the mark, and the WR picked up chunks of extra yards because of it? Or how he used to miss his coverages, and wed see Whitner lecturing with one hand on Goldsons should pad, and the other pointing out to where he was supposed to be?

Every now and again Goldson would make a play. He crush someone and dislodge the ball, and it made an impact. But he had SO many shortcomings with other things.

Some of you guys have a real selective, nostalgia based memory with this stuff. Why do you think the 49ers let him leave in free agency? Hes not worth it.

Not just stats but you discredit the pro bowl and all pro nominations. If it don't fit your narrative, you discredit it.

Does Reid have the potential to have a better career than Goldson? Yes. Will He? Remains to be seen.

IMO and many others, as of today, Goldson has had the better career so far.

Originally posted by 4everFaithful:

Lol I know right? Ridiculous...

but ay according to them all you need is PFF and you never gotta watch football again!

Do those stats take in account blown coverage, missed tackles, and PIs as well?? No they don't that's what PFF DOES include...that's a reason why Marcus peters wasn't high on their list because yes he had 8 INTs but he was also top five in giving up TDs, Rec, and yards... Justin smiths top season with us he had 8 sacks would you consider him a avg player for us? No probably not, but those sacks #s would suggest he wasn't anything more than solid which we kmow isn't true.

Originally posted by 4everFaithful:

There IS a grey area, thats what you fail to see. But if youre forcing me to choose a side, then ill side with the fact that PFF is unreliable. If -66.0 is what they score Goldson, indicating that hes a below avg player, then thats a flawed system.

Out of curiousty, can you pull up his PFF score during 2011-12? Because chances are it was also low back then, and he got voted first team all pro and pro bowl.. so obviously there is a flaw in PFF if its grading an all pro player below average..

Now you answer my question, do you believe scouts ONLY use PFF when evaluating talent? Or do they also look at tape.. tackles... INTs.. pass deflections... forced fumbles..etc..

Because according to you PFF is all that matters.. which is riduclous... i can google numerous flaws in PFF but im not tryna waste my time just to prove you wrong..

Im very curious, what would have Lotts PFF score looked like?

They factor in every single play!!! They factor in all he's boneheaded PIs, missed tackles and blown coverages and guess what that's what scouts factor as well.

How many INTs where because of his play vs someone tipping the ball and him being there? How many times did he make open field tackles vs missing the player? How well does he play against the run? (Which he did fairly well according to PFF) he's NOT a better coverage safety then Reid he's just not. IF you want to use stats here's one since Reid has been in the league he has 7 INTs Goldson has 2 in that same spand...

Originally posted by insanemike27:

Not just stats but you discredit the pro bowl and all pro nominations. If it don't fit your narrative, you discredit it.

Does Reid have the potential to have a better career than Goldson? Yes. Will He? Remains to be seen.

IMO and many others, as of today, Goldson has had the better career so far.

Here's a stat since Reid has been in the league he has 7 INTs Goldson in that span has 2 he's a better FS then Goldson

Again, discrediting anything that doesn't fit into the narrative. We don't judge who was better by cherry picking stats during certain time frames. When someone asks me who's better, I'm judging them by the body of work over an entire career. I'm not even saying Goldson was a great FS. I'm just saying that as of today Goldson has had the better career.

Originally posted by insanemike27:

Again, discrediting anything that doesn't fit into the narrative. We don't judge who was better by cherry picking stats during certain time frames. When someone asks me who's better, I'm judging them by the body of work over an entire career. I'm not even saying Goldson was a great FS. I'm just saying that as of today Goldson has had the better career.

Okay if your judging the whole body of work let's look at the numbers because that's what matters around here I guess...Goldson has avg less tackles and less INTs per season over his career vs Reid and we know who's created more PI calls that's not even a argument.

Hawk!!!!,, love Reid tho.. Just think Hawk was better as Reid isn't a finished product yet. If Hawk is cut, I'd bring him back as a backup. Bethea has disappointed to me. Hurt and poor angles and missed tackles.. Reid, Tartt, Ward, and Hawk...

Originally posted by 4everFaithful:

Originally posted by Afrikan:
people love to rewrite history regarding some of our ex-players that they didn't like....discrediting their accomplishments and what they brought to our team.

Dashon Goldson was voted ALL-PRO, by his peers and coaches... not just Probowl but All Pro. Best at his position, at a time when Ed Reed and Troy Polamalu were still in the league.

AMEN!!!

Originally posted by toppdogg32:

Originally posted by 4everFaithful:

Originally posted by Afrikan:

people love to rewrite history regarding some of our ex-players that they didn't like....discrediting their accomplishments and what they brought to our team.

Dashon Goldson was voted ALL-PRO, by his peers and coaches... not just Probowl but All Pro. Best at his position, at a time when Ed Reed and Troy Polamalu were still in the league.

AMEN!!!

I loved goldson...but reed and Troy were shells of their former self during that time

Plus goldson was on some pretty good defenses...and isn't the same since he has been gone

Man I miss that lumber Co.

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by toppdogg32:

Originally posted by 4everFaithful:

Originally posted by Afrikan:

people love to rewrite history regarding some of our ex-players that they didn't like....discrediting their accomplishments and what they brought to our team.

Dashon Goldson was voted ALL-PRO, by his peers and coaches... not just Probowl but All Pro. Best at his position, at a time when Ed Reed and Troy Polamalu were still in the league.

AMEN!!!

I loved goldson...but reed and Troy were shells of their former self during that time

Plus goldson was on some pretty good defenses...and isn't the same since he has been gone

Man I miss that lumber Co.

This^^ I loved Goldson not hating on anything he did with us...he's clearly wasn't worth $40 million and we made the right move letting him go.. I prefer a ball hawk at FS then a hard hitting safety, Reid IMO is more balanced then Goldson.

We need to build that pass rush up again that will get our secondary as a whole where it needs to be

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by insanemike27:

Again, discrediting anything that doesn't fit into the narrative. We don't judge who was better by cherry picking stats during certain time frames. When someone asks me who's better, I'm judging them by the body of work over an entire career. I'm not even saying Goldson was a great FS. I'm just saying that as of today Goldson has had the better career.

Okay if your judging the whole body of work let's look at the numbers because that's what matters around here I guess...Goldson has avg less tackles and less INTs per season over his career vs Reid and we know who's created more PI calls that's not even a argument.

They've both averaged about the same amount of turnovers if you account for forces fumbles. But lets leave that stat out because it doesn't fit your narrative. Goldson has averaged more tackles per season than Reid over the course of their respective careers. Reid has averaged more passes defensed than Goldson though. But if I were a reciever going over the middle, I would be alot more worried if Goldson was in coverage than if Reid were.

Originally posted by insanemike27:

Niners99- You say that Goldson's pff score isn't your only argument and then never use any other measuring stick to validate it. Instead you discredit every other measuring device that has been used against your argument.

EXACTLY

Originally posted by insanemike27:

Not just stats but you discredit the pro bowl and all pro nominations. If it don't fit your narrative, you discredit it.

Does Reid have the potential to have a better career than Goldson? Yes. Will He? Remains to be seen.

IMO and many others, as of today, Goldson has had the better career so far.

Thank you