Jacksonville Jaguar Arik Armstead-DT Thread

Originally posted by Oakland-Niner:

Originally posted by okdkid:

And without a tremendously versatile outside-in talent like Arik Armstead, the 49ers don't get to Bosa/Ford territory nearly as often. D-line dominance is an intricate endeavor

— David Lombardi (@LombardiHimself) January 15, 2020

Armstead helping Bosa and Ford get their numbers.

BS take. Bosa and Ford dominate their man. Sure having a solid middle helps, but its not the reason they are so productive. Stupid take.

I agree. The whole dline makes each other better but I would say Bosa/Ford makes AA better. He wasn't putting up numbers before the addition of Bosa/Ford. Ford is a bigger impact. Dline numbers dipped when he wasn't playing.

Originally posted by tohara3:
Hope Armstead has a monster game on Sunday

Originally posted by Oakland-Niner:

Originally posted by Stanley:

Originally posted by jcs:
Buckner is coming up as is Kittle. Warner the year after that. Also the 17 million it would take to tag AA could instead be an Elite WR, OT/OG or DB in F/A that we really could use.

I find it almost impossible to believe we'll be picking up a big name in free agency this year. Keep the gang together and work through the draft/solid veterans in FA.

I like you're philosophy, but we don't have any draft capital....

Bingo

Originally posted by Oakland-Niner:

I like you're philosophy, but we don't have any draft capital....

Trade back two or three times and you have plenty of draft capital. Its not at all unusual for teams to start the draft with three or four picks and finish with nine or ten. With the way these guys hit late, those added picks could be quite valuable.

Originally posted by Oakland-Niner:

Originally posted by okdkid:

And without a tremendously versatile outside-in talent like Arik Armstead, the 49ers don't get to Bosa/Ford territory nearly as often. D-line dominance is an intricate endeavor

— David Lombardi (@LombardiHimself) January 15, 2020

Armstead helping Bosa and Ford get their numbers.

BS take. Bosa and Ford dominate their man. Sure having a solid middle helps, but its not the reason they are so productive. Stupid take.

The 49ers interior with Buckner and Armstead is considerably better than just "solid."

It goes both ways. Armstead was playing really well last season too but had far fewer opportunities with offenses having zero reason to respect the edges. This year its just a matter of offenses deciding who they want to mess them up. You can't stop everyone.


The difference between the 49ers and a team like Minnesota is that they have two beasts inside to complement the guys on the edges. Every OL has a weak point and these four guys will be able to go after it, inside or out.

Originally posted by Oakland-Niner:

Originally posted by okdkid:

And without a tremendously versatile outside-in talent like Arik Armstead, the 49ers don't get to Bosa/Ford territory nearly as often. D-line dominance is an intricate endeavor

— David Lombardi (@LombardiHimself) January 15, 2020

Armstead helping Bosa and Ford get their numbers.

BS take. Bosa and Ford dominate their man. Sure having a solid middle helps, but its not the reason they are so productive. Stupid take.

Agree. I think Bosa and Ford are impact players, and Arik is playing off them and benefitting vs Bosa/Ford benefitting from Arik. Having said that, it's all one thing. They all benefit from each other. You won't be able to keep that defensive line together next year, in my opinion. I don't think we can afford to have Arik and then still have some cap flexibility. I defer to AB81 on that subject matter, but in my own personal view, you have to let Arik test the market and hopefully we can be competitive in our offer, but you just can't give guaranteed contracts to every super star player you have, if you want long term success like the Patriots have experienced.

Originally posted by Giedi:

Agree. I think Bosa and Ford are impact players, and Arik is playing off them and benefitting vs Bosa/Ford benefitting from Arik.

Meh. Armstead was playing well last season. You could see the improvement in his game. He's only continued that this season. I think people are still attached to all their old talking points about the guy when it shouldn't be that unusual for a young DL that was expected to be a project to finally start fulfilling his potential with the proper coaching and in the right system.

Having said that, it's all one thing. They all benefit from each other. You won't be able to keep that defensive line together next year, in my opinion. I don't think we can afford to have Arik and then still have some cap flexibility. I defer to AB81 on that subject matter, but in my own personal view, you have to let Arik test the market and hopefully we can be competitive in our offer, but you just can't give guaranteed contracts to every super star player you have, if you want long term success like the Patriots have experienced.

Or just franchise him. At worst someone offers you trade compensation. At best, you have him for another year.


Not sure where this idea that this team is in desperate straits when it comes to the cap comes from but they have plenty of flexibility and guys like McKinnon and Goodwin that they can cut to save space. There's also a new CBA coming up that in all likelihood will substantially raise the salary cap.


However this season turns out, there is no reason why they can't keep most everyone and run it back for another year. Especially up front on the DL. If it ain't broke...

His development as an edge rusher this year has been insane. He's gone from a one-trick pony to being able to beat tackles with multiple moves on the outside and inside. Having a 300-pound edge that is athletic enough to run down plays is a huuuuuuuuuuge luxury and advantage for Saleh.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by Giedi:
Agree. I think Bosa and Ford are impact players, and Arik is playing off them and benefitting vs Bosa/Ford benefitting from Arik.

Meh. Armstead was playing well last season. You could see the improvement in his game. He's only continued that this season. I think people are still attached to all their old talking points about the guy when it shouldn't be that unusual for a young DL that was expected to be a project to finally start fulfilling his potential with the proper coaching and in the right system.

Having said that, it's all one thing. They all benefit from each other. You won't be able to keep that defensive line together next year, in my opinion. I don't think we can afford to have Arik and then still have some cap flexibility. I defer to AB81 on that subject matter, but in my own personal view, you have to let Arik test the market and hopefully we can be competitive in our offer, but you just can't give guaranteed contracts to every super star player you have, if you want long term success like the Patriots have experienced.

Or just franchise him. At worst someone offers you trade compensation. At best, you have him for another year.

Not sure where this idea that this team is in desperate straits when it comes to the cap comes from but they have plenty of flexibility and guys like McKinnon and Goodwin that they can cut to save space. There's also a new CBA coming up that in all likelihood will substantially raise the salary cap.

However this season turns out, there is no reason why they can't keep most everyone and run it back for another year. Especially up front on the DL. If it ain't broke...

Franchise tag last year was $17 million. We currently only have $16 million available in cap space for 2020.

Originally posted by jcs:

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by Giedi:
Agree. I think Bosa and Ford are impact players, and Arik is playing off them and benefitting vs Bosa/Ford benefitting from Arik.

Meh. Armstead was playing well last season. You could see the improvement in his game. He's only continued that this season. I think people are still attached to all their old talking points about the guy when it shouldn't be that unusual for a young DL that was expected to be a project to finally start fulfilling his potential with the proper coaching and in the right system.

Having said that, it's all one thing. They all benefit from each other. You won't be able to keep that defensive line together next year, in my opinion. I don't think we can afford to have Arik and then still have some cap flexibility. I defer to AB81 on that subject matter, but in my own personal view, you have to let Arik test the market and hopefully we can be competitive in our offer, but you just can't give guaranteed contracts to every super star player you have, if you want long term success like the Patriots have experienced.

Or just franchise him. At worst someone offers you trade compensation. At best, you have him for another year.

Not sure where this idea that this team is in desperate straits when it comes to the cap comes from but they have plenty of flexibility and guys like McKinnon and Goodwin that they can cut to save space. There's also a new CBA coming up that in all likelihood will substantially raise the salary cap.

However this season turns out, there is no reason why they can't keep most everyone and run it back for another year. Especially up front on the DL. If it ain't broke...

Franchise tag last year was $17 million. We currently only have $16 million available in cap space for 2020.

Yeah, I don't think we have the money to franchise him. I'm I wrong?

Originally posted by mayo49:
Yeah, I don't think we have the money to franchise him. I'm I wrong?

AB81 did some preliminary cap work prior to the start of the year and did an article and basically his strategy was to hand out a lot of back loaded contracts, so we can retain everybody, my problem with that is even though it's backloaded, it's still guaranteed and that is one sure way of getting into cap hell. Front loaded or Back loaded, those guarantees stick on the books and you cant get rid of them until its paid off. That's problem with guaranteed anything in the NFL today.

As for the CBA - if you go through the trend, unlikely they will change much of anything in the current CBA except for increasing the cap and probably more money for retirements and health benefits. Other than that, I don't see much change in such things as franchise tags and the like.

My amateur understanding of the Patriots cap strategy is to rely on their player evaluations, and lose their star players (that they view strategically the can lose) and only keep their foundational star players. Then they use the compensatory picks to replace those players with new draftees or undrafted free agents or - as they have done very recently because of their lack of a number 1 pick because of winning so much, they basically trade their draft picks for valuable but underrated free agents (if the free agent class is stronger than the draft class). That least that what my preliminary research has indicated.

Originally posted by VaBeachNiner:
Of course AA is saying all the right things, but the FA period always says otherwise.

That said I hope he stays.

Dude loves this area and is from here. He does a lot in Sacramento for that city. IMO that will play a part in where he goes, outside of just money. I mean if some teams throws him $100M then I totally get it lol...the fact that he didn't make a pro-bowl kinda shows you were the NFL has him right now though.

3 yr deal with a good part of if GTD makes sense for both sides (3yrs $40ishM) if he balls out, he will still be under 30 when he hits FA again (example Calais Campbell).

Originally posted by Stanley:

Originally posted by jcs:
Buckner is coming up as is Kittle. Warner the year after that. Also the 17 million it would take to tag AA could instead be an Elite WR, OT/OG or DB in F/A that we really could use.

I find it almost impossible to believe we'll be picking up a big name in free agency this year. Keep the gang together and work through the draft/solid veterans in FA.

People don't realize SF can do a couple things to create a ton of cap space in the off season if they want. Also per AB, this team by 2022 is gonna have over $200M in cap space. So if we're bringing up guys like Warner and such there's nothing to worry about.

I agree SF isn't gonna hit FA hard this yr. IMO you don't let a guy who can play all over the DL go. What's the point in developing a player and letting him walk when he's finally developed? Doesn't make sense to me.

Move down a couple spots in the draft, get some extra day 2/3 picks and stock up. This draft is deep.

We should do it the Patriots way. Let guys go when they're starting to make lots of money, draft well, sign cheap replacement, and supplement the team w draft picks. This only works if the team draft well and nothing they've shown so far say they cant do it.

Originally posted by Curlin:

Originally posted by Kyzen:

Says the guy sux, but makes his name Armstead!!!!!!! Priceless!!!!!