Jacksonville Jaguar Arik Armstead-DT Thread

Originally posted by ImAlwaysRight:
We should do it the Patriots way. Let guys go when they're starting to make lots of money, draft well, sign cheap replacement, and supplement the team w draft picks. This only works if the team draft well and nothing they've shown so far say they cant do it.

How about we don't do that on defense, eh? We don't have BB the defensive mastermind, we have Saleh. Talent is needed for that defense to roll the way it has.

If anything you can let offensive guys go more because we have an offensive guru. SF didn't have a single 1st rd guy score a TD on offense this yr.

Originally posted by jcs:

Franchise tag last year was $17 million. We currently only have $16 million available in cap space for 2020.

Didn't the 49ers roll over almost $100 million in unused cap money over the past 5 years?

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by jcs:
Franchise tag last year was $17 million. We currently only have $16 million available in cap space for 2020.

Didn't the 49ers roll over almost $100 million in unused cap money over the past 5 years?

Yeah they always roll over the max from what I remember. So we're looking at $32M next yr with rollover. Throw in cuts, possible extensions, restructures they will be just fine

I'd rather not tag him and just give him a deal end of the day. Rather have that $15M in GTD cash tied into a contract beyond 2020.

You can make the argument that AA hasd been our best devensive player this season. With that said, you can't have Armstead, Buckner and Ford all with 15+m cap numbers added to the 1st rd salary for Bosa and Solly. Way too much of the cap wrapped up in D line. Especially for a team with an exepensive QB and a soon to be expensive TE.

Originally posted by ImAlwaysRight:

We should do it the Patriots way. Let guys go when they're starting to make lots of money, draft well, sign cheap replacement, and supplement the team w draft picks. This only works if the team draft well and nothing they've shown so far say they cant do it.

The Patriots system only works because they have a hall of fame qb. Without Brady they would be running a completely different system.

Originally posted by fip24:

You can make the argument that AA hasd been our best devensive player this season. With that said, you can't have Armstead, Buckner and Ford all with 15+m cap numbers added to the 1st rd salary for Bosa and Solly. Way too much of the cap wrapped up in D line. Especially for a team with an exepensive QB and a soon to be expensive TE.

When you have guys on the offense who are all day 2/3 picks doing what their doing you sure can have that 💰 invested in the DL.

-Solly is in the last year of his deal next yr. LT he doesn't factor into anything (no way they will give him a 5th yr option this off season). He's gone and AA remains.

-Ford can be moved on from after 2020 without massive DM. He shouldn't be counted on LT based on his health.

-Jimmy G isn't an expensive QB with all these other contracts that will or have been done recently. They can also restructure his contract to lower the cap next yr anyway.

-TE contracts aren't anywhere close to WR contracts. Kelce is avg $9.6M a yr which in the grand scheme of money invested in a top player is not a lot.

You DO NOT let top end pass rushers that can play inside/outside leave. Plain and simple. Kid is 26 yrs old and hasn't even hit his prime yet.

Originally posted by Izyniner:
The Patriots system only works because they have a hall of fame qb. Without Brady they would be running a completely different system.

It also works because they play in a weak division that's had terrible QB's for the last 20 years. The Patriots haven't drafted well on offense but they have been able to sign some free agents that are at the end of their career and looking for a ring. They have lived on their defense and Brady being their so long he doesn't even need an OC.

Originally posted by ImAlwaysRight:

We should do it the Patriots way. Let guys go when they're starting to make lots of money, draft well, sign cheap replacement, and supplement the team w draft picks. This only works if the team draft well and nothing they've shown so far say they cant do it.

The Patriots way works because of Bill Belichick and Tom Brady. The 49ers don't have either of those. They are in a much better position to let guys walk on defense because Belichick might be the greatest defensive mastermind in NFL history.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by fip24:
You can make the argument that AA hasd been our best devensive player this season. With that said, you can't have Armstead, Buckner and Ford all with 15+m cap numbers added to the 1st rd salary for Bosa and Solly. Way too much of the cap wrapped up in D line. Especially for a team with an exepensive QB and a soon to be expensive TE.

When you have guys on the offense who are all day 2/3 picks doing what their doing you sure can have that 💰 invested in the DL.

-Solly is in the last year of his deal next yr. LT he doesn't factor into anything (no way they will give him a 5th yr option this off season). He's gone and AA remains.

-Ford can be moved on from after 2020 without massive DM. He shouldn't be counted on LT based on his health.

-Jimmy G isn't an expensive QB with all these other contracts that will or have been done recently. They can also restructure his contract to lower the cap next yr anyway.

-TE contracts aren't anywhere close to WR contracts. Kelce is avg $9.6M a yr which in the grand scheme of money invested in a top player is not a lot.

You DO NOT let top end pass rushers that can play inside/outside leave. Plain and simple. Kid is 26 yrs old and hasn't even hit his prime yet.

Agree NY. I think Ford should be the odd man out in the future if we need more cap space.

But I think we can keep all of them because most players will want to return for less money to stay on this team.

Originally posted by Oakland-Niner:

Originally posted by okdkid:

And without a tremendously versatile outside-in talent like Arik Armstead, the 49ers don't get to Bosa/Ford territory nearly as often. D-line dominance is an intricate endeavor

— David Lombardi (@LombardiHimself) January 15, 2020

Armstead helping Bosa and Ford get their numbers.

BS take. Bosa and Ford dominate their man. Sure having a solid middle helps, but its not the reason they are so productive. Stupid take.

Nope. Elite take. They don't get to pass rush downs to eat without Armstead.

Originally posted by Waterbear:
Agree NY. I think Ford should be the odd man out in the future if we need more cap space.

But I think we can keep all of them because most players will want to return for less money to stay on this team.

I hope Ford can get his knee problem fixed. There are new procedures being developed all the time. If not, then they probably let him walk in a couple years.

Originally posted by fip24:
You can make the argument that AA hasd been our best devensive player this season. With that said, you can't have Armstead, Buckner and Ford all with 15+m cap numbers added to the 1st rd salary for Bosa and Solly. Way too much of the cap wrapped up in D line. Especially for a team with an exepensive QB and a soon to be expensive TE.

You absolutely can. It is what makes this team different than any other. It is impossible to game plan for. You don't need a balanced roster when your DL is elite and QB is top 10.

Overspend on DL and QB and win.

Originally posted by Heroism:
His development as an edge rusher this year has been insane. He's gone from a one-trick pony to being able to beat tackles with multiple moves on the outside and inside. Having a 300-pound edge that is athletic enough to run down plays is a huuuuuuuuuuge luxury and advantage for Saleh.

Pay that man.

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by mayo49:
Yeah, I don't think we have the money to franchise him. I'm I wrong?

AB81 did some preliminary cap work prior to the start of the year and did an article and basically his strategy was to hand out a lot of back loaded contracts, so we can retain everybody, my problem with that is even though it's backloaded, it's still guaranteed and that is one sure way of getting into cap hell. Front loaded or Back loaded, those guarantees stick on the books and you cant get rid of them until its paid off. That's problem with guaranteed anything in the NFL today.

As for the CBA - if you go through the trend, unlikely they will change much of anything in the current CBA except for increasing the cap and probably more money for retirements and health benefits. Other than that, I don't see much change in such things as franchise tags and the like.

My amateur understanding of the Patriots cap strategy is to rely on their player evaluations, and lose their star players (that they view strategically the can lose) and only keep their foundational star players. Then they use the compensatory picks to replace those players with new draftees or undrafted free agents or - as they have done very recently because of their lack of a number 1 pick because of winning so much, they basically trade their draft picks for valuable but underrated free agents (if the free agent class is stronger than the draft class). That least that what my preliminary research has indicated.

We have literally zero backloaded deals. One or two does not kill your team.

Moreover, we have loads of cap space beginning in 2021. Plus, we already have room to franchise him in 2020.

Furthermore, every single deal Paarag has ever done has protected the team. Garoppolo, Ford, Alexander...all of them. Why would that stop now?

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Dude loves this area and is from here. He does a lot in Sacramento for that city. IMO that will play a part in where he goes, outside of just money. I mean if some teams throws him $100M then I totally get it lol...the fact that he didn't make a pro-bowl kinda shows you were the NFL has him right now though.

3 yr deal with a good part of if GTD makes sense for both sides (3yrs $40ishM) if he balls out, he will still be under 30 when he hits FA again (example Calais Campbell).

Why would he do that deal? That's crazy. He gets almost half of that just on the tag.