Jacksonville Jaguar Arik Armstead-DT Thread

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by ImAlwaysRight:
We should do it the Patriots way. Let guys go when they're starting to make lots of money, draft well, sign cheap replacement, and supplement the team w draft picks. This only works if the team draft well and nothing they've shown so far say they cant do it.

The Patriots way works because of Bill Belichick and Tom Brady. The 49ers don't have either of those. They are in a much better position to let guys walk on defense because Belichick might be the greatest defensive mastermind in NFL history.

Yep.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by fip24:
You can make the argument that AA hasd been our best devensive player this season. With that said, you can't have Armstead, Buckner and Ford all with 15+m cap numbers added to the 1st rd salary for Bosa and Solly. Way too much of the cap wrapped up in D line. Especially for a team with an exepensive QB and a soon to be expensive TE.

When you have guys on the offense who are all day 2/3 picks doing what their doing you sure can have that 💰 invested in the DL.

-Solly is in the last year of his deal next yr. LT he doesn't factor into anything (no way they will give him a 5th yr option this off season). He's gone and AA remains.

-Ford can be moved on from after 2020 without massive DM. He shouldn't be counted on LT based on his health.

-Jimmy G isn't an expensive QB with all these other contracts that will or have been done recently. They can also restructure his contract to lower the cap next yr anyway.

-TE contracts aren't anywhere close to WR contracts. Kelce is avg $9.6M a yr which in the grand scheme of money invested in a top player is not a lot.

You DO NOT let top end pass rushers that can play inside/outside leave. Plain and simple. Kid is 26 yrs old and hasn't even hit his prime yet.

This - You NAILED it NY!

Originally posted by okdkid:

Originally posted by fip24:
You can make the argument that AA hasd been our best devensive player this season. With that said, you can't have Armstead, Buckner and Ford all with 15+m cap numbers added to the 1st rd salary for Bosa and Solly. Way too much of the cap wrapped up in D line. Especially for a team with an exepensive QB and a soon to be expensive TE.

You absolutely can. It is what makes this team different than any other. It is impossible to game plan for. You don't need a balanced roster when your DL is elite and QB is top 10.

Overspend on DL and QB and win.

BINGO!

Originally posted by okdkid:

Originally posted by Heroism:
His development as an edge rusher this year has been insane. He's gone from a one-trick pony to being able to beat tackles with multiple moves on the outside and inside. Having a 300-pound edge that is athletic enough to run down plays is a huuuuuuuuuuge luxury and advantage for Saleh.

Pay that man.

IMO - we will.

Originally posted by Izyniner:

Originally posted by ImAlwaysRight:

We should do it the Patriots way. Let guys go when they're starting to make lots of money, draft well, sign cheap replacement, and supplement the team w draft picks. This only works if the team draft well and nothing they've shown so far say they cant do it.

The Patriots system only works because they have a hall of fame qb. Without Brady they would be running a completely different system.

I think it works because of the coach, and the coach saw a 6th rounder that could play QB.

In other words, excellent player evaluations. Dont forget Solomon Thomas. Hes looks great recently, got a sack in the Vikings game, as a possible replacement for Arik.

The point is, you have to pick and choose the stars you want to play, because the Salary Cap is specifically designed for preventing teams from retaining all their super stars. Bellicheat doesnt fight that, but rather goes along with it, and hes had great success in doing so. I'm just saying look what he has done and fit it to our situatuon.

I wouldn't say they overspent on Jimmy. It looked like a lot at the time but now his salary is about right. They were smart to sign him to the long term deal since the QB salaries are rising rapidly.

Originally posted by okdkid:

We have literally zero backloaded deals. One or two does not kill your team.

Moreover, we have loads of cap space beginning in 2021. Plus, we already have room to franchise him in 2020.

Furthermore, every single deal Paarag has ever done has protected the team. Garoppolo, Ford, Alexander...all of them. Why would that stop now?

Kittle and some others will absorb whatever space we have. It doesnt take a whole lot of guaranteed deals to put you into cap hell, just a couple. Thats the danger of thinking you can retain all your super stars when the cap is designed to divest the best teams from their stars.

The Patriots have had a long string of success despite the salary cap, which has stopped a lot of teams from consistently getting into the playoffs. You have to study what they do, if you want to replicate some, if not all, of their success.

We now have our tom Brady in Jimmy, and our gronkowski in Kittle. It sure looks like a patriot offense in my book. I think we can go the patriot way with those two already in the mix.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by fip24:

You can make the argument that AA hasd been our best devensive player this season. With that said, you can't have Armstead, Buckner and Ford all with 15+m cap numbers added to the 1st rd salary for Bosa and Solly. Way too much of the cap wrapped up in D line. Especially for a team with an exepensive QB and a soon to be expensive TE.

When you have guys on the offense who are all day 2/3 picks doing what their doing you sure can have that 💰 invested in the DL.

-Solly is in the last year of his deal next yr. LT he doesn't factor into anything (no way they will give him a 5th yr option this off season). He's gone and AA remains.

-Ford can be moved on from after 2020 without massive DM. He shouldn't be counted on LT based on his health.

-Jimmy G isn't an expensive QB with all these other contracts that will or have been done recently. They can also restructure his contract to lower the cap next yr anyway.

-TE contracts aren't anywhere close to WR contracts. Kelce is avg $9.6M a yr which in the grand scheme of money invested in a top player is not a lot.

You DO NOT let top end pass rushers that can play inside/outside leave. Plain and simple. Kid is 26 yrs old and hasn't even hit his prime yet.

Perfect! Great post.

Originally posted by pasodoc9er:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by fip24:
You can make the argument that AA hasd been our best devensive player this season. With that said, you can't have Armstead, Buckner and Ford all with 15+m cap numbers added to the 1st rd salary for Bosa and Solly. Way too much of the cap wrapped up in D line. Especially for a team with an exepensive QB and a soon to be expensive TE.

When you have guys on the offense who are all day 2/3 picks doing what their doing you sure can have that 💰 invested in the DL.

-Solly is in the last year of his deal next yr. LT he doesn't factor into anything (no way they will give him a 5th yr option this off season). He's gone and AA remains.

-Ford can be moved on from after 2020 without massive DM. He shouldn't be counted on LT based on his health.

-Jimmy G isn't an expensive QB with all these other contracts that will or have been done recently. They can also restructure his contract to lower the cap next yr anyway.

-TE contracts aren't anywhere close to WR contracts. Kelce is avg $9.6M a yr which in the grand scheme of money invested in a top player is not a lot.

You DO NOT let top end pass rushers that can play inside/outside leave. Plain and simple. Kid is 26 yrs old and hasn't even hit his prime yet.

Perfect! Great post.

Seeing this teams track record with the 5th year option and with solly being their pick I have my doubts they let him walk. Ford is nearly a $5 million dollar dead cap hit after 2020. Jimmy's last 3 years go 26, 27, 27 million. Considering new qb contacts are expected to hit upwards of $40 million per season this offseason there is no real potential to save restructuring imo. The papers say kittles new contract is looking at $11.1 million a year.

Originally posted by Giedi:

Kittle and some others will absorb whatever space we have. It doesnt take a whole lot of guaranteed deals to put you into cap hell, just a couple. Thats the danger of thinking you can retain all your super stars when the cap is designed to divest the best teams from their stars.

The Patriots have had a long string of success despite the salary cap, which has stopped a lot of teams from consistently getting into the playoffs. You have to study what they do, if you want to replicate some, if not all, of their success.

We now have our tom Brady in Jimmy, and our gronkowski in Kittle. It sure looks like a patriot offense in my book. I think we can go the patriot way with those two already in the mix.

People need to stop going back to the Patriots as guidance. Belichick let Chandler Jones go, a guy that has gotten 60 sacks in 4 seasons since leaving New England and they barely skipped a beat. Their results are not applicable to other teams.


Belichick is the great equalizer on defense. He can make do with lesser players on defense the same way Shanahan can scheme around lesser players on offense. The Patriots also have Brady who up until this season could make pretty much anyone work on offense.



Saleh is not Belichick. His defense needs that dominant front four and they have it. No reason to break it up just because.


I think you're still refusing to accept what is plain to see in the game film. Armstead has developed into a very good DL with the full toolbox of skills. You don't just let a guy like that walk away after you invested years into developing him.



Its not like the 49ers need a ton of upgrades. If they run it back with pretty much the same roster, they are in the playoffs again next year. Rather than subtracting from the DL they should be looking to press their advantage by adding better depth and a much stronger edge rotation. You add an explosive rookie edge rusher to go with Ford, Bosa, Armstead, Buckner, Jones and a couple more guys and you can count on further wrecking offenses next season.

Originally posted by jcs:

Seeing this teams track record with the 5th year option and with solly being their pick I have my doubts they let him walk. Ford is nearly a $5 million dollar dead cap hit after 2020. Jimmy's last 3 years go 26, 27, 27 million. Considering new qb contacts are expected to hit upwards of $40 million per season this offseason there is no real potential to save restructuring imo. The papers say kittles new contract is looking at $11.1 million a year.

$11 million is how much the Cards will be paying a 37 year old Larry Fitzgerald. $11 million for Kittle would be a steal and then some. Especially since we're coming up on a new CBA and with the league pushing hard for a 17 week season, its thought that they will be willing to allow for a significant bump the salary cap going forward.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by jcs:
Seeing this teams track record with the 5th year option and with solly being their pick I have my doubts they let him walk. Ford is nearly a $5 million dollar dead cap hit after 2020. Jimmy's last 3 years go 26, 27, 27 million. Considering new qb contacts are expected to hit upwards of $40 million per season this offseason there is no real potential to save restructuring imo. The papers say kittles new contract is looking at $11.1 million a year.

$11 million is how much the Cards will be paying a 37 year old Larry Fitzgerald. $11 million for Kittle would be a steal and then some. Especially since we're coming up on a new CBA and with the league pushing hard for a 17 week season, its thought that they will be willing to allow for a significant bump the salary cap going forward.

That number was probably created before he got the all pro nod.

Originally posted by jcs:

That number was probably created before he got the all pro nod.

There's no TE earning above $10 million a season. Even at $12 or $13 mil he'd be a bargain considering how crucial he is to this team.


You keep Garoppolo, you keep Kittle, you keep the DL beastly and you keep this team in the playoff picture.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by jcs:

That number was probably created before he got the all pro nod.

There's no TE earning above $10 million a season. Even at $12 or $13 mil he'd be a bargain considering how crucial he is to this team.


You keep Garoppolo, you keep Kittle, you keep the DL beastly and you keep this team in the playoff picture.

This ^. Keep the core that makes this team the force it is. If Warner and Greenlaw continue to develop, i can see the team parting ways with Kwon. Same goes for Sanders if deebo bourne and hurd develop. Then we have Sherman comes off the books the following season 2021. Making way for a Warner and Buckner extension. I predict they offer a contract to Arik and Kittle this year. If that happens, Thomas is the odd man out.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
People need to stop going back to the Patriots as guidance. Belichick let Chandler Jones go, a guy that has gotten 60 sacks in 4 seasons since leaving New England and they barely skipped a beat. Their results are not applicable to other teams.

Belichick is the great equalizer on defense. He can make do with lesser players on defense the same way Shanahan can scheme around lesser players on offense. The Patriots also have Brady who up until this season could make pretty much anyone work on offense.

Saleh is not Belichick. His defense needs that dominant front four and they have it. No reason to break it up just because.

I think you're still refusing to accept what is plain to see in the game film. Armstead has developed into a very good DL with the full toolbox of skills. You don't just let a guy like that walk away after you invested years into developing him.

Its not like the 49ers need a ton of upgrades. If they run it back with pretty much the same roster, they are in the playoffs again next year. Rather than subtracting from the DL they should be looking to press their advantage by adding better depth and a much stronger edge rotation. You add an explosive rookie edge rusher to go with Ford, Bosa, Armstead, Buckner, Jones and a couple more guys and you can count on further wrecking offenses next season.

This, this, this. There is no logical explanation to break up this DL right now. The team can afford it, and AA just turned 26 years old. His best years are ahead of him.

And FYI, this is coming from someone who has been one of AA's harshest critics since he was drafted. But the proof is on the field. The man has become a monster.