Jacksonville Jaguar Arik Armstead-DT Thread

Originally posted by fip24:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
When you have guys on the offense who are all day 2/3 picks doing what their doing you sure can have that 💰 invested in the DL.

-Solly is in the last year of his deal next yr. LT he doesn't factor into anything (no way they will give him a 5th yr option this off season). He's gone and AA remains.

-Ford can be moved on from after 2020 without massive DM. He shouldn't be counted on LT based on his health.

-Jimmy G isn't an expensive QB with all these other contracts that will or have been done recently. They can also restructure his contract to lower the cap next yr anyway.

-TE contracts aren't anywhere close to WR contracts. Kelce is avg $9.6M a yr which in the grand scheme of money invested in a top player is not a lot.

You DO NOT let top end pass rushers that can play inside/outside leave. Plain and simple. Kid is 26 yrs old and hasn't even hit his prime yet.

What day 2 picks do we have on offense outside of Debo? Our QB and Center are top 5 paid for the position. Our FB and TE (soon to be) will be the highest paid in the league at their position and we have 2 highly compensated Tackles. The only positions we are not paying top of market is WR, G and RB and that may change if the keep Sanders.
I'd love to see AA stay but if he does it will mean Dee is gone after next year and I'd be OK with that.

Pettis is also a 2nd rd pick (for what that's worth). Our QB/Center are currently the 9th highest per yr avg (for their position) AND Richburg just restructured his contract. No one cares about having the highest paid FB, that's still peanuts in the grand scheme of paid players on offense. Yes Kittle will be the highest paid TE. He has been dirt cheap for yrs though, which is my point Kyle can get a lot out of rookies and scheme fit players (without paying top dollar).

McG is on his rookie contract and isn't highly compensated based on current OT contracts. Sanders isn't gonna make elite money either. His market value is 2 yrs $20M (per spotrac), which isn't a s**t ton considering how much WRs make.

AA is a very important part to this defense. I have no problem paying everyone on defense and only a select few on offense. Scheme fit on offense, talent on defense.

Originally posted by All22:
If the Toots throw 18m per year at Armstead, do we match or let him walk?

He more than likely get's tagged so no one can offer him a contract....then they have until July to work on a deal or see if they can trade him (like Ford).

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by All22:

If the Toots throw 18m per year at Armstead, do we match or let him walk?

He more than likely get's tagged so no one can offer him a contract....then they have until July to work on a deal or see if they can trade him (like Ford).

Yup.

He will resign, I'm not even worried.

Originally posted by 9ers4u:
AA is doing awesome. But it's hard not to say it's a direct result from having Bosa and Ford. We added those two and then AA starts having a career year? Coincidence? Hopefully he wants to stay and he gets a decent contract. I won't feel bad for any team that over pays while he regresses due to the lack of talent around him.

Yeah, this is how I feel. I mean, I'd like him to stay, but this is part of the salary cap era. You can only keep so many players. AA is not a core player, he's a nice complementary piece. Kittle needs an extension soon. Buckner needs an extension soon. It would be nice to keep Emmanual Sanders around. There's probably just not enough money for AA, even if we wanted him.

So what do we do with this guy? Franchise Tag? I like the way he has played. But I have my concerns. He never did anything and all of a sudden in a contract year he explodes. That's deeply concerning. Also he benefits HUGELY from Buckner, Bosa and Ford. I'm not sure he is the guy? Could he do this on his own and be the guy with some other team or even our team if he wasn't surrounded by so much talent? My guess would be no. So in one sense I think he looks a lot better than he really is on our team. Also blowing up in a contract year while doing nothing previously is concerning. We have seen that before in the NFL and guys go back to their lazy ways after they get the big contract.

No doubt he has played well. Really well........THIS YEAR.........But previous years? I don't know? I guess you Franchise Tag him and see if he can do it for 2 years in a row. He's too much to let go at this point I think. Still there are real concerns I think.

Originally posted by theduke85:

Originally posted by 9ers4u:
AA is doing awesome. But it's hard not to say it's a direct result from having Bosa and Ford. We added those two and then AA starts having a career year? Coincidence? Hopefully he wants to stay and he gets a decent contract. I won't feel bad for any team that over pays while he regresses due to the lack of talent around him.

Yeah, this is how I feel. I mean, I'd like him to stay, but this is part of the salary cap era. You can only keep so many players. AA is not a core player, he's a nice complementary piece. Kittle needs an extension soon. Buckner needs an extension soon. It would be nice to keep Emmanual Sanders around. There's probably just not enough money for AA, even if we wanted him.

totally disagree

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
So what do we do with this guy? Franchise Tag? I like the way he has played. But I have my concerns. He never did anything and all of a sudden in a contract year he explodes. That's deeply concerning. Also he benefits HUGELY from Buckner, Bosa and Ford. I'm not sure he is the guy? Could he do this on his own and be the guy with some other team or even our team if he wasn't surrounded by so much talent? My guess would be no. So in one sense I think he looks a lot better than he really is on our team. Also blowing up in a contract year while doing nothing previously is concerning. We have seen that before in the NFL and guys go back to their lazy ways after they get the big contract.

No doubt he has played well. Really well........THIS YEAR.........But previous years? I don't know? I guess you Franchise Tag him and see if he can do it for 2 years in a row. He's too much to let go at this point I think. Still there are real concerns I think.

He was raw coming out of college and put on IR how many times? it's not hard to understand actually....he's developed into the player he was suppose to be and has been able to stay healthy.

The whole narrative about not trying until his contract yr is stupid and overblown. Why hasn't he tired up until now? Does he come off as an albert haynesworth type of player? nah

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
So what do we do with this guy? Franchise Tag? I like the way he has played. But I have my concerns. He never did anything and all of a sudden in a contract year he explodes. That's deeply concerning. Also he benefits HUGELY from Buckner, Bosa and Ford. I'm not sure he is the guy? Could he do this on his own and be the guy with some other team or even our team if he wasn't surrounded by so much talent? My guess would be no. So in one sense I think he looks a lot better than he really is on our team. Also blowing up in a contract year while doing nothing previously is concerning. We have seen that before in the NFL and guys go back to their lazy ways after they get the big contract.

No doubt he has played well. Really well........THIS YEAR.........But previous years? I don't know? I guess you Franchise Tag him and see if he can do it for 2 years in a row. He's too much to let go at this point I think. Still there are real concerns I think.

He was raw coming out of college and put on IR how many times? it's not hard to understand actually....he's developed into the player he was suppose to be and has been able to stay healthy.

The whole narrative about not trying until his contract yr is stupid and overblown. Why hasn't he tired up until now? Does he come off as an albert haynesworth type of player? nah

He might have a little Clowney in him. Clowney looked like he was going to the hall of fame this year. At least against us anyway. And when he wants a new deal with some team out there.

Everyone except Buckner fell off after Ford was lost, even Bosa's numbers went down. That said, AA didn't show up as much on the stat line but he was a force to recon with, same as Bosa.

I would hope we try to retain the D-line as it is but I would break the bank with Bucker before I would AA if I had to pick 1.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by theduke85:

Originally posted by 9ers4u:

AA is doing awesome. But it's hard not to say it's a direct result from having Bosa and Ford. We added those two and then AA starts having a career year? Coincidence? Hopefully he wants to stay and he gets a decent contract. I won't feel bad for any team that over pays while he regresses due to the lack of talent around him.

Yeah, this is how I feel. I mean, I'd like him to stay, but this is part of the salary cap era. You can only keep so many players. AA is not a core player, he's a nice complementary piece. Kittle needs an extension soon. Buckner needs an extension soon. It would be nice to keep Emmanual Sanders around. There's probably just not enough money for AA, even if we wanted him.

totally disagree

AA is about as core a player as it gets. A DT who can play inside or out and is strong as an ox besides. His problem was obvious even 2 yrs ago. He could bust thru any OL but then seemed like he didn't know what to do. It was obvious he needed some real good coaching which he had never gotten. Kocurek has shown us what a great line coach can do for a guy chock full of talent . The contract yr had zero to do wth his learning how to play DT and now DE. I mean, you just don't find guys like that everyday....he is basically another Bosa, but different strengths. He can, however, bust thru any OL and cause QBs fits.

Put him with our all pro DL and you have one heckuva defensive machine. This is the kind of guy like Buck, Nick and Dee when healthy that you do not get rid of. And he has made it thru the entire yr , no injuries.

As we have seen, take one of the 4 DLs out, say for injury, and the fabulous 4 some just isn't anywhere near as effective. Have all 4 going strong and this is a world beater DL. #1 pass D in the league wasn't by accident. It was because of our front 7, the best in the league. DJ Jones and Blair were great pieces to add but now with both out, our 4 guys get no breather.

But let Arik go in FA? Worst thing we could do.i know, i know, the cost is steep. But having the best DL and front 7 is a thing championships are made of. He stays.

I don't understand the this is the first year he has done anything crowd. If you had been paying attention you would have seen it last year also. There were several people on here last year talking about him but people had blinders on. This is his second healthy season and the second consecutive year he has played at a high level. Pay the man!!!

Originally posted by Izyniner:

I don't understand the this is the first year he has done anything crowd. If you had been paying attention you would have seen it last year also. There were several people on here last year talking about him but people had blinders on. This is his second healthy season and the second consecutive year he has played at a high level. Pay the man!!!

I don't recall specifically what they were saying about AA last year but I do recall them saying he was playing at a high level. Then we got Kocurek and AA took his game to that next level which to me was being able to finish off his pressures ie: get sacks

Originally posted by AB81Rules:

I'd extend AA, give him a 4yr deal, lower his 2019 salary, give him upfront GTD RB, and 2020 base GTD for injury, with 2021 and 2022 being option years.

Ahhh AB where are you!!!!!

Originally posted by theduke85:

Originally posted by 9ers4u:
AA is doing awesome. But it's hard not to say it's a direct result from having Bosa and Ford. We added those two and then AA starts having a career year? Coincidence? Hopefully he wants to stay and he gets a decent contract. I won't feel bad for any team that over pays while he regresses due to the lack of talent around him.

Yeah, this is how I feel. I mean, I'd like him to stay, but this is part of the salary cap era. You can only keep so many players. AA is not a core player, he's a nice complementary piece. Kittle needs an extension soon. Buckner needs an extension soon. It would be nice to keep Emmanual Sanders around. There's probably just not enough money for AA, even if we wanted him.

His performance this year has clearly been that of a core player. He is also a complementary player to Bosa and Ford. Bosa already draws a lot of double teams, however, he would draw even more if AA was not a threat inside. Buckner also eats up a lot of double teams but all of that allows the others to exceed.

AA finished the season as the 3rd highest rated ER in the league, tied with Za'Darius Smith, fractionally higher than Bosa. That is the level of player we are talking about here. To consider letting him leave via anything other than a trade for someone of equal value is unthinkable, IMO.

Originally posted by Chief:

I would hope we try to retain the D-line as it is but I would break the bank with Bucker before I would AA if I had to pick 1.

Fortunately, there are multiple restructuring options that can be played that will allow us to keep both, as well as extend Kittle.