Jacksonville Jaguar Arik Armstead-DT Thread

Originally posted by theduke85:

Originally posted by okdkid:
I guess it comes down to...

What's the logic in letting an elite player go when you 1) already have the space to keep him for one year, and 2) there is zero long term risk to the team for keeping him.

Calling him elite after one year is hyperbole (especially given the supporting cast he has).

He is near the very top of nearly every metric that matters in 2019. There are maybe 2-3 people in the entire NFL along the DL that had better overall years in 2019. That's the definition of elite. He's in the 1%.

Originally posted by theduke85:

Originally posted by okdkid:
Can any of you list all of the deals that Paarag has done that DID NOT have a rip cord, or were a long term albatross?

I can't think of one significant deal.

- Garoppolo
- Kaepernick
- Sherman
- Ford
- Richburg
- Alexander

...they were all easy to get out of if need be.

NFL contracts by their very nature are like that. How many albatross contracts can you even name in the NFL? Very few, because most contracts guarantee only a fraction of their overall value. Paraag is good at his job but can we stop acting like he's magical and on his own plane of existence? The vast majority of contracts in football are shorter-term deals disguised as long, multi-year contracts. This isn't unique to the 49ers -- it's the rule, not the exception.

Great. Then there is no long term risk in signing him.

Originally posted by theduke85:
NFL contracts by their very nature are like that. How many albatross contracts can you even name in the NFL? Very few, because most contracts guarantee only a fraction of their overall value. Paraag is good at his job but can we stop acting like he's magical and on his own plane of existence? The vast majority of contracts in football are shorter-term deals disguised as long, multi-year contracts. This isn't unique to the 49ers -- it's the rule, not the exception.

off the top of my head some s**tty looking contracts (or have been)

C.J. Mosley
Bell
Gurley
Goff
Josh Norman
Olivier Vernon
Kirk Cousins
Ja'Wuan James
Solider
Norwell
Watkins
Cooks

SF tends to front load deals, not every team does this. It gives them flexibility, the players get money up front, and it helps if they want to restructure deals down the road to free up money now. This team is never really in cap hell because of him. They won't be able to do that with everyone though.

And yes most contracts are only really 2-3 yr deals that teams can get out of. That's why complaining about SF not being able to sign everyone is kinda silly. They can push cash down the road and move on from guys a yr or two from now before their contracts kill the cap overall. Dee ford is a prime example.

Originally posted by okdkid:
Great. Then there is no long term risk in signing him.

exactly, same for everyone else overall.

Originally posted by okdkid:
He is near the very top of nearly every metric that matters in 2019. There are maybe 2-3 people in the entire NFL along the DL that had better overall years in 2019. That's the definition of elite. He's in the 1%.

Elite to me a title a player earns after sustained success for multiple years. I don't consider Arik Armstead a better ED than Khalil Mack or Von Miller just because he had more sacks or a higher PFF grade than them. I would bank on those two continuing to be forces for the next 2-3 years, but I wouldn't say the same for AA -- he's kind of a wildcard for me.

Yea can't call a guy elite after 1 good season.

With AA not making the Pro Bowl does that change the amount of money he can sign for?

Originally posted by titan:
With AA not making the Pro Bowl does that change the amount of money he can sign for?

No, it's not like the NBA.

Originally posted by lamontb:
Yea can't call a guy elite after 1 good season.

*elite season

Originally posted by titan:

With AA not making the Pro Bowl does that change the amount of money he can sign for?

Depends, didnt matter much for Trey Flowers. Flowers and Armstead are comparable IMO.

Originally posted by walker807:

Originally posted by titan:

With AA not making the Pro Bowl does that change the amount of money he can sign for?

Depends, didnt matter much for Trey Flowers. Flowers and Armstead are comparable IMO.

I was more thinking of the line of NBA. If you don't make 1st team you can only sign for so much money.

Originally posted by lamontb:

Yea can't call a guy elite after 1 good season.

I mean, to his face I would call him elite. On this board, not yet.

Originally posted by lamontb:
Yea can't call a guy elite after 1 good season.

That's funny because I see a lot of people on this board calling Jimmy elite after I good season. I agree with you. Elite isn't just top 10 or even 5. To earn the elite title you have to be in the top 5 nearly every year for a few years. Then you become a household name and people all over start calling you elite, not just the home fans.

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by lamontb:

Yea can't call a guy elite after 1 good season.

That's funny because I see a lot of people on this board calling Jimmy elite after I good season. I agree with you. Elite isn't just top 10 or even 5. To earn the elite title you have to be in the top 5 nearly every year for a few years. Then you become a household name and people all over start calling you elite, not just the home fans.

So, I'm clear, Bosa shouldn't be considered elite by these standards?

If you have a young DT that can do this on the outside, you hold on to them.