Jacksonville Jaguar Arik Armstead-DT Thread

If it's between him or Buckner I can't see how Buckner is not the choice, Buckner has been a great player every year while AA just showed up, and the Super Bowl AA wasn't playing great, kept losing contain on his side allowing Mahomes to escape the pocket in his side. But I do hope somehow no can be signed and this line stay together for a long time.

Originally posted by Niners_D:

Well we can lock this thread. He was a Baalke pick with a great wingspan. No way we will be able to outbid the Jags.

I can't see how they don't at least tag him. Let's a double digit sack guy go who can play inside/outside for what would be a 2021 3rd rd comp? No way.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Niners_D:

Well we can lock this thread. He was a Baalke pick with a great wingspan. No way we will be able to outbid the Jags.

I can't see how they don't at least tag him. Let's a double digit sack guy go who can play inside/outside for what would be a 2021 3rd rd comp? No way.

I agree but if it's between extending him or Buckner who would you ?

Does the salary cap increase this off season? Do we get more room added? What will we have for 2020 salary cap room? You can say we have this much cap now. But sometimes you get an increase in one year to the next. So we may have more room.

I would like to sign him if we can. We could franchise tag him if we have the room.

Originally posted by evil:
Baalke is not the GM in Jacksonville thus while he may push for certain players to be acquired, the decision is still ultimately in the hands of Caldwell.

This and good call evil!

Originally posted by okdkid:
Fans who are suggesting we don't have cap room to sign AND extend the big pieces are simply just making it up out of fear.

Do the 49ers have enough money? Right now, they have roughly $14 million in 2020 cap space. They can actually save space by extending Buckner, and there are other potential savings baked into potential releases (players like McKinnon and Goodwin). More restructures also possible

— David Lombardi (@LombardiHimself) February 4, 2020

There are obviously dozens of different combinations of where exactly the 49ers can free up cap room, so key point is that they've already started the process and we'll see how exactly they continue it moving forward. It does seem possible to keep most of bigger names for 2020.

— David Lombardi (@LombardiHimself) February 4, 2020

Originally posted by VA9erfan:
Can the Niners afford $15 - $19 million franchise tag this upcoming season for AA and still sign one or two of their other FAs (Sanders / Ward)? Any "capologists" out there?

The above is the best answer to your question. There are MANY ways fit key guys under the cap, and we have one of the very best in the business running the cap.

Don't worry about signing players that don't produce after signing a big deal. Think Kaepernick and how the 49ers got out from under that one.

EDIT: Just to review, Kaepernick's deal originally totaled $126M. He wound up getting paid just over $43M. That is the way we should be thinking about AA and the others that we want to keep.

Originally posted by dj43:
The above is the best answer to your question. There are MANY ways fit key guys under the cap, and we have one of the very best in the business running the cap.

Don't worry about signing players that don't produce after signing a big deal. Think Kaepernick and how the 49ers got out from under that one.

Should the Niners elect, they can also easily get out of: Garoppolo, Alexander, Ford, Richburg, McKinnon, Goodwin. The point is, all of these large deals are structured to be team friendly after year 2. I don't know why Buckner, Kittle or Armstead's extension would be any different.

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
Does the salary cap increase this off season? Do we get more room added? What will we have for 2020 salary cap room? You can say we have this much cap now. But sometimes you get an increase in one year to the next. So we may have more room.

I would like to sign him if we can. We could franchise tag him if we have the room.

There will be a cap increase, and it could be significant. Right now we have just under $14M in cap room. In looking at the current roster and possible contract moves (too lengthy and complicated to list), it is not unreasonable to bring the total space into the $40M range...and that is not even including a likely restructuring of Garoppolo's deal.

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
Does the salary cap increase this off season? Do we get more room added? What will we have for 2020 salary cap room? You can say we have this much cap now. But sometimes you get an increase in one year to the next. So we may have more room.

I would like to sign him if we can. We could franchise tag him if we have the room.

There will be a cap increase, and it could be significant. Right now we have just under $14M in cap room. In looking at the current roster and possible contract moves (too lengthy and complicated to list), it is not unreasonable to bring the total space into the $40M range...and that is not even including a likely restructuring of Garoppolo's deal.

So possibly we can keep Armstead at least on a franchise tag. And we should keep him too if possible. Because 4 on the defensive line is better than 3. It's what made us this year. We are not driven by QB like some other teams. Defensive line is really important to this team.

Just because we can free up this and that in cap space doesn't mean we will. We'll try, but you can only restructure/cut for so long before it catches up to you and Shanalynch have consistently said that they're building for sustained success, not a one year charge.

At best we keep 2 of AA, Sanders, Ward and that's best case IMO. You can't sustain success by paying off contract players market value every time.

Originally posted by JaggedJ:
Just because we can free up this and that in cap space doesn't mean we will. We'll try, but you can only restructure/cut for so long before it catches up to you and Shanalynch have consistently said that they're building for sustained success, not a one year charge.

At best we keep 2 of AA, Sanders, Ward and that's best case IMO. You can't sustain success by paying off contract players market value every time.

This is true, and it is also true that you shouldn't draft for a need THAT YEAR. Rookies take time to develop, it's why keeping a winning GM/HC combo in place will reap rewards. They develop a pipeline of talent into their system and are rewarded with comp draft picks.

I think sanders walks or resigns for 4 million a year, he is was over payed for his current production.

I think AA is going to break the bank as well, and we won't miss him. We will resign Ronal Blair for a team friendly deal and draft DL this year.

I doubt Jimmy ward is going to find too many suitors either, I imagine he'll look at whats out there and sign a reasonable deal, if we're going to break the bank on a safety I'd look at Ha Ha Clinton-Dix.

Originally posted by AkNiners:

Originally posted by JaggedJ:

Just because we can free up this and that in cap space doesn't mean we will. We'll try, but you can only restructure/cut for so long before it catches up to you and Shanalynch have consistently said that they're building for sustained success, not a one year charge.

At best we keep 2 of AA, Sanders, Ward and that's best case IMO. You can't sustain success by paying off contract players market value every time.

This is true, and it is also true that you shouldn't draft for a need THAT YEAR. Rookies take time to develop, it's why keeping a winning GM/HC combo in place will reap rewards. They develop a pipeline of talent into their system and are rewarded with comp draft picks.

I think sanders walks or resigns for 4 million a year, he is was over payed for his current production.

I think AA is going to break the bank as well, and we won't miss him. We will resign Ronal Blair for a team friendly deal and draft DL this year.

I doubt Jimmy ward is going to find too many suitors either, I imagine he'll look at whats out there and sign a reasonable deal, if we're going to break the bank on a safety I'd look at Ha Ha Clinton-Dix.

We saw the safety market take time to develop last year so I'm not too sure many will come flying out the gate with big offers for Ward.

It will cost us more than 4.5mil, but I don't think it will break the bank.

Same with Sanders plus there's the added incentive of us having given up draft capital for him.

For me that leaves AA as the likely odd man out.

We'll see.

Originally posted by JaggedJ:
Just because we can free up this and that in cap space doesn't mean we will. We'll try, but you can only restructure/cut for so long before it catches up to you and Shanalynch have consistently said that they're building for sustained success, not a one year charge.

At best we keep 2 of AA, Sanders, Ward and that's best case IMO. You can't sustain success by paying off contract players market value every time.

We can keep him for 1 year easily. Then that big cap hit drops off when we don't do it again. It's just a 1 year cap hit. It's not spread out over many years on the cap. It just hits hard 1 year and opens up huge space when we don't do it again. It's worth doing for 1 year to keep this elite defensive line in tact. It's exactly why we were good. It's what made this team elite.

I hope the Niners cut everyone and sign Armstead

Originally posted by JaggedJ:
Just because we can free up this and that in cap space doesn't mean we will. We'll try, but you can only restructure/cut for so long before it catches up to you and Shanalynch have consistently said that they're building for sustained success, not a one year charge.

At best we keep 2 of AA, Sanders, Ward and that's best case IMO. You can't sustain success by paying off contract players market value every time.

That's true, however, right now we are in an open window to win. Young team, high quality players, deeply invested in draft picks, ready to win. Each one of those players is important to our success, especially key ones like Ward, AA and Sanders. You cannot sacrifice key players now in the hope you can replace their quality with less expensive draftees/FAs in the future.