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Feb 6, 2020 at 10:16 AM
Got to hand it to Cohn. He comes up with something dumb and can find an audience for it.
Feb 6, 2020 at 10:20 AM
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Welp. Their intentions are clear.

[ Edited by okdkid on Feb 6, 2020 at 10:22 AM ]
Feb 6, 2020 at 10:23 AM
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Feb 6, 2020 at 10:26 AM
Originally posted by okdkid:

Good to hear
Feb 6, 2020 at 10:26 AM
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Tag him. Unless he doesn't ask for the moon on a long term deal. But he should look to get paid as much as possible, I wouldn't blame him.
Feb 6, 2020 at 10:31 AM
Originally posted by okdkid:
Welp. Their intentions are clear.



Its the smart move.



When you have such a massive advantage like the 49ers do with the DL, you press it and build on it, not voluntarily give it up.



I don't get the fans that are like "he had a great season....but he's gotta go!"

WHY?




In the very near future there will be a new CBA with the odds being that there will be a not insignificant bump to the salary cap so I don't get people fretting over finances. Any deals signed now are likely to look like relative bargains by 2022.
Feb 6, 2020 at 10:33 AM
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Originally posted by thl408:
Tag him. Unless he doesn't ask for the moon on a long term deal. But he should look to get paid as much as possible, I wouldn't blame him.

i am fine with the tag on him.. if they use it on ward and not aa. i will be pissed
Feb 6, 2020 at 10:38 AM
Originally posted by cciowa:
Originally posted by thl408:
Tag him. Unless he doesn't ask for the moon on a long term deal. But he should look to get paid as much as possible, I wouldn't blame him.

i am fine with the tag on him.. if they use it on ward and not aa. i will be pissed

Question...if you tag a player and then trade them...do you get the tag back? Just wondering.
Feb 6, 2020 at 10:38 AM
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Pretty clear the Armstead detractors in this thread are not going to be happy in 2020. It's hard to see him not coming back.
Feb 6, 2020 at 10:39 AM
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Originally posted by cciowa:
Originally posted by thl408:
Tag him. Unless he doesn't ask for the moon on a long term deal. But he should look to get paid as much as possible, I wouldn't blame him.

i am fine with the tag on him.. if they use it on ward and not aa. i will be pissed

I think they may re-sign AA, and then use the tag on Ward. Much cheaper. They can structure Armstead's deal to have minimal impact on 2020.
[ Edited by okdkid on Feb 6, 2020 at 10:39 AM ]
Feb 6, 2020 at 10:40 AM
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Originally posted by cciowa:
Originally posted by thl408:
Tag him. Unless he doesn't ask for the moon on a long term deal. But he should look to get paid as much as possible, I wouldn't blame him.

i am fine with the tag on him.. if they use it on ward and not aa. i will be pissed

I'd like to see if AA can reproduce that level of play in 2019 before committing long term. The risk is he does reproduce it and now the team wants to re-sign him after a good 2020 season when he'll be able to command more money. I think a domino here is Buckner.

If Buckner signs a long term deal, it can set the team's expectations for what AA can be extended for (I think Buckner deserves more than AA). If AA signs an extension first, then Buckner can point to that and say 'pay me more than that'.
Feb 6, 2020 at 10:41 AM
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Originally posted by thl408:
Originally posted by cciowa:
Originally posted by thl408:
Tag him. Unless he doesn't ask for the moon on a long term deal. But he should look to get paid as much as possible, I wouldn't blame him.

i am fine with the tag on him.. if they use it on ward and not aa. i will be pissed

I'd like to see if AA can reproduce that level of play in 2019 before committing long term. The risk is he does reproduce it and now the team wants to re-sign him after a good 2020 season when he'll be able to command more money. I think a domino here is Buckner.

If Buckner signs a long term deal, it can set the team's expectations for what AA can be extended for (I think Buckner deserves more than AA). If AA signs an extension first, then Buckner can point to that and say 'pay me more than that'.

But why can't they do a deal that has an easy out...like literally ALL of their other big deals. I don't understand why all the griping about "only one year". Paarag has protected this team from long term harm in every. single. contract.
Feb 6, 2020 at 10:44 AM
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Originally posted by okdkid:
Originally posted by thl408:
Originally posted by cciowa:
Originally posted by thl408:
Tag him. Unless he doesn't ask for the moon on a long term deal. But he should look to get paid as much as possible, I wouldn't blame him.

i am fine with the tag on him.. if they use it on ward and not aa. i will be pissed

I'd like to see if AA can reproduce that level of play in 2019 before committing long term. The risk is he does reproduce it and now the team wants to re-sign him after a good 2020 season when he'll be able to command more money. I think a domino here is Buckner.

If Buckner signs a long term deal, it can set the team's expectations for what AA can be extended for (I think Buckner deserves more than AA). If AA signs an extension first, then Buckner can point to that and say 'pay me more than that'.

But why can't they do a deal that has an easy out...like literally ALL of their other big deals. I don't understand why all the griping about "only one year". Paarag has protected this team from long term harm in every. single. contract.

I think even in those protected multi-year deals, it's not there's an out after one year. In those long term deals (3-5 years), the out doesn't occur until a few years afterwards.
Feb 6, 2020 at 10:46 AM
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Originally posted by thl408:
I think even in those protected multi-year deals, it's not there's an out after one year. In those long term deals (3-5 years), the out doesn't occur until a few years afterwards.

Usually after year two. Which is the same situation Armstead (or any top FA) would face with a new team. I don't know why this team would pass up two controllable years of Armstead. Especially considering the salary cap is about to explode with the new CBA.
Feb 6, 2020 at 10:49 AM
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Originally posted by okdkid:
Originally posted by thl408:
I think even in those protected multi-year deals, it's not there's an out after one year. In those long term deals (3-5 years), the out doesn't occur until a few years afterwards.

Usually after year two. Which is the same situation Armstead (or any top FA) would face with a new team. I don't know why this team would pass up two controllable years of Armstead. Especially considering the salary cap is about to explode with the new CBA.

I'm looking at Kwon's deal on Spotrac to better understand what it means to have an 'easy out'. Spotrac says there's a potential out for Kwon's deal after 2020. But it comes with a $14 dead cap hit. That seems like a hefty dead cap hit.
My question is, what is an 'easy out'? To me it means cut the player and not suffer an expensive dead cap hit.
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