Jacksonville Jaguar Arik Armstead-DT Thread

Originally posted by Giants9ersfan:

Originally posted by cciowa:

Originally posted by thl408:
Tag him. Unless he doesn't ask for the moon on a long term deal. But he should look to get paid as much as possible, I wouldn't blame him.

i am fine with the tag on him.. if they use it on ward and not aa. i will be pissed

Question...if you tag a player and then trade them...do you get the tag back? Just wondering.

you are asking me that technical question? you must be new here

Originally posted by NinerGM:
I hope so with a First, and a bunch of 6th and 7th round choices. We have needs and I saw Seattle move Clowney around against us and was effective. Besides AA has only really had ONE good year for us where as Clowney produced in Houston too. Just thoughts...

Clowney had one good game all season. It was against SF. He also is not as impactful as Armstead. I think people get lost in the college hype of Clowney. Very little has translated to the NFL. He's about to be on his 3rd team in a year for a reason.

Also, there is no way to know how Clowney would fit in the locker room. Armstead is loved. Clowney has a prima donna rep.

Moreover, Clowney has just as an extensive injury history as Armstead. In fact, Clowney may need yet another offseason surgery this week.

I don't think they're comparable at all.

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by cciowa:

Originally posted by thl408:
Tag him. Unless he doesn't ask for the moon on a long term deal. But he should look to get paid as much as possible, I wouldn't blame him.

i am fine with the tag on him.. if they use it on ward and not aa. i will be pissed

I'd like to see if AA can reproduce that level of play in 2019 before committing long term. The risk is he does reproduce it and now the team wants to re-sign him after a good 2020 season when he'll be able to command more money. I think a domino here is Buckner.

If Buckner signs a long term deal, it can set the team's expectations for what AA can be extended for (I think Buckner deserves more than AA). If AA signs an extension first, then Buckner can point to that and say 'pay me more than that'.

agree and i think we can more than find a good replacement for ward in the draft

Originally posted by thl408:
Tag him. Unless he doesn't ask for the moon on a long term deal. But he should look to get paid as much as possible, I wouldn't blame him.

for sure. it's encouraging though and evident (they just played in a superbowl) that you would think the current team they are on gives them the best chance to win and play in the Superbowl. the fact they just played in one has got to be encouraging and make money not matter as much in terms of being in a good situation to succeed, correct? it's why it's nice to see Armstead make it clear he'd be open to the franchise tag. if the niners missed the post season (somehow) this year no way he says that.

Originally posted by NinerGM:

I hope so with a First, and a bunch of 6th and 7th round choices. We have needs and I saw Seattle move Clowney around against us and was effective. Besides AA has only really had ONE good year for us where as Clowney produced in Houston too. Just thoughts...

From end to end. He's not playing all four spots on the DL the way Armstead has. The ability to move him inside/outside for huge snaps is a big plus.



The main reason why this is a terrible idea and why Cohn is a hapless moron is because we're not playing Madden.


What would it look like to the rest of the roster to let such a crucial piece walk only to reward a guy that had a far inferior season?


How do Lynch and Shanahan justify that one to the rest of the roster? "Yeah this guy balled out and did everything we asked of him and was all about the team but we're going to replace him with a guy that absolutely sucked ass half the season!"

Besides AA has only really had ONE good year for us where as Clowney produced in Houston too. Just thoughts.

Clowney was a top draft pick that was expected to dominate the NFL from Day 1. He was expected to look like Bosa as a rookie and has been somewhat of a disappointment. Armstead was expected to be a project with a steep learning curve so its not a shock that it took him longer to develop. He's now had two good seasons on the books. He just had more sacks this season than Clowney has had in any season of his entire career.

Originally posted by tjd808185:

Originally posted by SonocoNinerFan:
AA didn't really blow up until surrounded by elite edge talent this year, his contract year. I'm guessing Lynch won't be breaking the bank for him.

That elite talent is still going to be here. Why disrupt a great thing? I get only so much $ to go around but I'd make cuts elsewhere. A dominant d line can even make Mahomes look average.

Exactly.

Originally posted by okdkid:

Clowney had one good game all season. It was against SF. He also is not as impactful as Armstead. I think people get lost in the college hype of Clowney. Very little has translated to the NFL. He's about to be on his 3rd team in a year for a reason.

Also, there is no way to know how Clowney would fit in the locker room. Armstead is loved. Clowney has a prima donna rep.

Moreover, Clowney has just as an extensive injury history as Armstead. In fact, Clowney may need yet another offseason surgery this week.

I don't think they're comparable at all.

Imo clowney is such an overrated player. He's far from consistent and for whatever reason wants to be one of the highest paid defensive players.

I'll take AA over him all day, he can play across the board on the DL.

Honestly he's in my long term plans more than Dee Ford. Ford can be cut whenever and we don't really know about his health LT. He's got a total of $8M in DM spread out from 2021-2023. That's nothing.

I'm signing AA, rolling with the same DL for another yr and if Ford is another 250 snap guy he's gone. That cash goes towards Buck & AA. They can find a nickel speed rusher in the next couple drafts.

Armstead vs Clowney = whoever is cheaper.

I think the move is to extend Armstead and tag Ward.

Extending Buckner will LOWER his 2020 cap. And extending Kittle may have little impact on 2020 depending upon how it's structured.

Originally posted by Curlin:

Armstead vs Clowney = whoever is cheaper.

Its not just about money. Its about fit,chemistry and more.

Clowney is not a natural DT like Armstead. He's a pure edge player. He's not playing extended snaps inside. Are you going to pay $15 mil+ a year to a rotational player when you already have a high paid rotational edge in Ford?


Then you look at what kind of message it would send to the locker room to let Armstead walk after he busted his ass and had his best season only to give his money to a guy coming off his worst career season. So basically "play hard for us, do everything we ask and then we'll tell you to get bent!"


Its ridiculous Cohn level logic that I'm honestly perplexed people are debating.

Originally posted by okdkid:
I think the move is to extend Armstead and tag Ward.

Extending Buckner will LOWER his 2020 cap. And extending Kittle may have little impact on 2020 depending upon how it's structured.

Not sure if you saw my post on the previous page asking about what is considered an 'easy out'. According to spotrac, I don't see an easy out for Kwon, although I see articles written indicating that there is.

The real question isn't whether to re-sign AA, it's how much is the team willing to pay to re-sign AA? Hypothetically, if AA wants to cash in and get paid a smidgen under Aaron Donald, should the team pay that? Probably not, right? I'm guessing most here want AA back, but it has to make sense within the structure of the team cap. Whatever AA makes, Buckner will justifiably command more.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by NinerGM:
I hope so with a First, and a bunch of 6th and 7th round choices. We have needs and I saw Seattle move Clowney around against us and was effective. Besides AA has only really had ONE good year for us where as Clowney produced in Houston too. Just thoughts...

From end to end. He's not playing all four spots on the DL the way Armstead has. The ability to move him inside/outside for huge snaps is a big plus.

The main reason why this is a terrible idea and why Cohn is a hapless moron is because we're not playing Madden.

What would it look like to the rest of the roster to let such a crucial piece walk only to reward a guy that had a far inferior season?

How do Lynch and Shanahan justify that one to the rest of the roster? "Yeah this guy balled out and did everything we asked of him and was all about the team but we're going to replace him with a guy that absolutely sucked ass half the season!"

Besides AA has only really had ONE good year for us where as Clowney produced in Houston too. Just thoughts.

Clowney was a top draft pick that was expected to dominate the NFL from Day 1. He was expected to look like Bosa as a rookie and has been somewhat of a disappointment. Armstead was expected to be a project with a steep learning curve so its not a shock that it took him longer to develop. He's now had two good seasons on the books. He just had more sacks this season than Clowney has had in any season of his entire career.

If you don't want AA, ok that's fine. But to say you don't want AA and want to replace him with Clowney doesn't make sense at all.....especially when citing things like injury, consistency, flexibility across the DL as reasons to make the swap

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Its not just about money. Its about fit,chemistry and more.

Clowney is not a natural DT like Armstead. He's a pure edge player. He's not playing extended snaps inside. Are you going to pay $15 mil+ a year to a rotational player when you already have a high paid rotational edge in Ford?

Then you look at what kind of message it would send to the locker room to let Armstead walk after he busted his ass and had his best season only to give his money to a guy coming off his worst career season. So basically "play hard for us, do everything we ask and then we'll tell you to get bent!"

Its ridiculous Cohn level logic that I'm honestly perplexed people are debating.

Good point bolded. And AA shouldn't give attention to some local writer's tweet (again). Just makes him look like an easy mark.