Jacksonville Jaguar Arik Armstead-DT Thread

Originally posted by okdkid:

Originally posted by BriRichardson:
Kittle will get $16 mil per which isn't "cheap". We basically have a smaller window due to not having success until year 3

This couldn't be further from the truth.

Our window is open now, in an extended fashion, *because* we hit on Kittle...despite several high profile misses.

Moreover, the new CBA and resulting TV deals will explode the salary cap upwards. We are looking at a $250M salary cap in the next couple years.

Kittle's deal will be quickly outpaced by lesser TEs within the next year.

Probably.

Totally agree our window is nowhere near closing.

Originally posted by BriRichardson:
Kittle will get $16 mil per which isn't "cheap". We basically have a smaller window due to not having success until year 3

WTF? We have a young ass roster. We haven't throw away yrs of draft picks to get high paying players like the Bears and Rams have done. Our QB is on a reasonable contract for 3 more yrs (and they can move off it very easily if they have too). They don't have a ton of contracts with massive GTDS for yrs and yrs.

Did you think SF was going to the Super Bowl in August? Did you think this was a SB roster in August? You're lying if you said yes....this team's window is wide f**king open and people didn't think that coming into the season.

I just read the article at the top of the home page about trading AA. His suggestion is franchise him and then trade him to a team willing to give him a long term contract. He said he thinks he would fetch a 2nd or 3rd round pick. Miami is loaded with picks this year (3 in 1st and 2 in the 2nd). A young rebuilding team like that may be a willing trade partner. They have the draft choices and AA is only 26, so he could help anchor the D for a few years. If we could get a 2nd for him and trade back and get 2 more 2nds or a 2nd and 3rd, we would have a decent shot at filling some holes.

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
I just read the article at the top of the home page about trading AA. His suggestion is franchise him and then trade him to a team willing to give him a long term contract. He said he thinks he would fetch a 2nd or 3rd round pick. Miami is loaded with picks this year (3 in 1st and 2 in the 2nd). A young rebuilding team like that may be a willing trade partner. They have the draft choices and AA is only 26, so he could help anchor the D for a few years. If we could get a 2nd for him and trade back and get 2 more 2nds or a 2nd and 3rd, we would have a decent shot at filling some holes.

That would be awful. We are worse off with that move, both long term and short.

Originally posted by okdkid:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
I just read the article at the top of the home page about trading AA. His suggestion is franchise him and then trade him to a team willing to give him a long term contract. He said he thinks he would fetch a 2nd or 3rd round pick. Miami is loaded with picks this year (3 in 1st and 2 in the 2nd). A young rebuilding team like that may be a willing trade partner. They have the draft choices and AA is only 26, so he could help anchor the D for a few years. If we could get a 2nd for him and trade back and get 2 more 2nds or a 2nd and 3rd, we would have a decent shot at filling some holes.

That would be awful. We are worse off with that move, both long term and short.

It would be worse to let him leave as a free agent. Signing him would be great if we can work a deal where it doesn't keep us from keeping other guys. Teams can only afford so much money tied up in one area ( in this case the D line). Paraag is pretty sharp so let's see if he can wok something out.

If Miami offered one of their firsts as a starting point I'd definitely be willing to listen.

DT is a bit hit and miss in the draft after Brown and Kinlaw though which would make me hesitant.

We'll see what sort of offer we can make AA.

Originally posted by okdkid:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

I just read the article at the top of the home page about trading AA. His suggestion is franchise him and then trade him to a team willing to give him a long term contract. He said he thinks he would fetch a 2nd or 3rd round pick. Miami is loaded with picks this year (3 in 1st and 2 in the 2nd). A young rebuilding team like that may be a willing trade partner. They have the draft choices and AA is only 26, so he could help anchor the D for a few years. If we could get a 2nd for him and trade back and get 2 more 2nds or a 2nd and 3rd, we would have a decent shot at filling some holes.

That would be awful. We are worse off with that move, both long term and short.

I mean if signing him LT isn't an option, tagging and trading him is the 2nd best option IMO.

Originally posted by JaggedJ:

If Miami offered one of their firsts as a starting point I'd definitely be willing to listen.

DT is a bit hit and miss in the draft after Brown and Kinlaw though which would make me hesitant.

We'll see what sort of offer we can make AA.

That's not gonna happen. He's had one great yr of play. Dee Ford cost SF a future 2nd.

If they can't sign him tag and trading him for their 2nd would be pretty good considering

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by JaggedJ:
If Miami offered one of their firsts as a starting point I'd definitely be willing to listen.

DT is a bit hit and miss in the draft after Brown and Kinlaw though which would make me hesitant.

We'll see what sort of offer we can make AA.

That's not gonna happen. He's had one great yr of play. Dee Ford cost SF a future 2nd.

If they can't sign him tag and trading him for their 2nd would be pretty good considering

I think if they can do this the 49ers probably should. Armstead is a good player, but we can't keep all of Buckner, Kittle, Armstead, and Sanders. The first two are bigger priorities than the last two, and Armstead really becomes expendable when you consider the money the 49ers have invested in Bosa and Ford. Given that SF doesn't have many draft picks this year, the tag/trade option makes even more sense.

Armstead for a 2nd (this) and 3rd (next)?

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by okdkid:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

I just read the article at the top of the home page about trading AA. His suggestion is franchise him and then trade him to a team willing to give him a long term contract. He said he thinks he would fetch a 2nd or 3rd round pick. Miami is loaded with picks this year (3 in 1st and 2 in the 2nd). A young rebuilding team like that may be a willing trade partner. They have the draft choices and AA is only 26, so he could help anchor the D for a few years. If we could get a 2nd for him and trade back and get 2 more 2nds or a 2nd and 3rd, we would have a decent shot at filling some holes.

That would be awful. We are worse off with that move, both long term and short.

I mean if signing him LT isn't an option, tagging and trading him is the 2nd best option IMO.

There's a huge cap risk if no takers though.

3rd would be to let him walk, pay all our own FA's and get a 3rd round comp next year for AA walking. Sign Joe Thuney.

I say just pay him and keep the team chemistry intact.

Originally posted by Kyzen:
I say just pay him and keep the team chemistry intacted.

yea i like this, as long as it doesn't mean sacrificing in other areas

Tagging then trading AA makes the most sense...I'd say Miami would be a good trading partner, they have a ton of picks and a boatload of cap space. I also think Lynch will trade out of the #31 spot to gain more picks...there's a big gap between rds 2-5. Letting AA walk would at best get us a 3rd rd supplemental pick. Keeping him means Lynch likely won't have the means to re-sign Ward, Blair, Sanders, et al. Tag & trade would get Lynch a lot more to work with in the draft and makes the most sense moving forward. A lot of what happens or doesn't will also rely on some significant contract restructuring to create more cap space. Fortunately, we have one of the best FO guys in Paraag Marathe...he can orchestrate all this so Lynch gets the best FA & draft scenarios possible.

Originally posted by TheGore49er:

Originally posted by SisterFister:

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:

Is armstead the odd man out or Ford? Hes more expensive than Armstead and he didnt really help us after november. He had 8 weeks of rest and didnt really influence the super bowl. Thats sobering. We cant invest 17m for 230 snaps. Just cant do it. There has to be a game plan to keep him high functioning next year. Or he needs to restructure big time. And theres our cap room to sign armstead.

Ford isn't getting cut this year. His cap hit is 15.9 million and the Niners would have to eat 6.8 million in dead cap if they do. Cutting Ford is more practical next season with a 17.6 million cap hit and the 49ers eat only 4.8 million but gain 12.8 million in cap space.

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Originally posted by NCommand:

There's a huge cap risk if no takers though.

3rd would be to let him walk, pay all our own FA's and get a 3rd round comp next year for AA walking. Sign Joe Thuney.

There will be takers. Frank Clark netted a 1 2 and 3 swap.

Everyone has money in FA so DEs that are open market will all get paid. Some of the teams with need will be left wanting.