Jacksonville Jaguar Arik Armstead-DT Thread

Originally posted by LifelongNiner:

Originally posted by Lott94:

Originally posted by English:

Originally posted by Lott94:

If DJ Jones medicals show no damage, I'd let Armstead go, and lock up Jones. Jones has been getting better every year, and should be cheaper if he does a contract now. Draft an edge rusher in the draft, and rotate him with Ford and Bosa.

Mmm. I want to keep AA but this would be a fair plan B. When you say "let him go" do you mean just let him walk?

Franchise and then trade Armstead. I like Armstead, and yes the 49ers can be creative with the cap, but you can't invest on 2 high priced DTs.
I believe you can afford and need one high impact player on every level of the defense. Buckner is on the DL. LB Warner at the rate he's progressing will be making Wagner money in 2 years. Sherman is your impact player for the DBs.
A healthy Jones and Blair IMO will cost less annually than Armstead. Of course coming back healthy will be key for those 2.

Ford will be gone in a year or 2 (around the time we will be extending Warner and may even be moving on from Kwon if Greenlaw continues to progress at this rate). AA gets a 4 year deal that expires same time Bosa's contract expires. Think of it as musical chairs with which players are on big contracts. I hope we can get a Super Bowl out of this.

I like your idea too

Niners already have 3 All-pro calibre players on the DL in Bosa,Buckner, and Ford. How many studs do you need on the Dline? Most teams don't even have two and a lot of teams don't have one. Use the cap elsewhere to fill an actual need which is not the Dline. I would tag AA and then try to trade him for 2nd rounder in this upcoming draft which is a deep draft. Let Thomas go and fill that spot with Blair for half the cost and who will probally do a better job than Thomas.

Niners need to build a team that will be SB contenders for the next 5 years+. Not just 2019-2020. The way to do that is don't fall into the trap of putting all your eggs in one basket. Need to let certain players go when they become too pricey in order to build a well rounded team. Trust the system.

Franchise AA and trade him - Blair and Thomas can fill his spot.

Originally posted by mayo49:
Franchise AA and trade him - Blair and Thomas can fill his spot.

Looking at it objectively there is no way the 49ers can keep him without disrupting the entire cap. A two would be great but a three would be ok.

He's gone IMHO. It would be roughly $18M for the Non-Exclusive tag and $21M for the Exclusive tag. If there are no takers, you're stuck with that number or a mad scramble on a long-term deal and we only have $12M in cap space today.

So moving forward, they need essentially, a Big End-type player...a player who can set the edge and who's excellent against the run in base packages. I think the FO was planning for this day with the drafting of Kentavius Street & Jullian Taylor to a lesser degree. We also have Solomon Thomas...many of you projected him to play the BE role like Michael Bennett. In W9 and factoring in his best skill set: run defense, he'd certainly be added to the pool at LDE.

Then, for now, in nickel, bring in the W9 personnel: Dee Ford, Anthony Zettel, Alex Barrett & Jonathan Kongbo. Resign Ronald Blair & Damontre Moore.

Where we'd lose is the 10 sacks inside the T's...almost all when he slid inside in nickel next to Buckner.

Originally posted by NCommand:
He's gone IMHO. It would be roughly $18M for the Non-Exclusive tag and $21M for the Exclusive tag. If there are no takers, you're stuck with that number or a mad scramble on a long-term deal and we only have $12M in cap space today.

So moving forward, they need essentially, a Big End-type player...a player who can set the edge and who's excellent against the run in base packages. I think the FO was planning for this day with the drafting of Kentavius Street & Jullian Taylor to a lesser degree. We also have Solomon Thomas...many of you projected him to play the BE role like Michael Bennett. In W9 and factoring in his best skill set: run defense, he'd certainly be added to the pool at LDE.

Then, for now, in nickel, bring in the W9 personnel: Dee Ford, Anthony Zettel, Alex Barrett & Jonathan Kongbo. Resign Ronald Blair & Damontre Moore.

Where we'd lose is the 10 sacks inside the T's...almost all when he slid inside in nickel next to Buckner.

Yeah, it's a risk - if we franchise him and can't find any takers.

Originally posted by mayo49:
Yeah, it's a risk - if we franchise him and can't find any takers.

Not that I don't want him back. The dude has become a force and he's a true 9er...loves it here...works very hard; grinds.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Not that I don't want him back. The dude has become a force and he's a true 9er...loves it here...works very hard; grinds.

We could find ourselves in the exact same situation with Solly too next year if we decline his option then he balls out. Nice problem to have having so much talent on the d line but keeping it together is a b. D lineman are expensive.

Thomas had a pff of 57 for 2019. Reading some of these comments i think im on crazy pills. Biggest low round dl bust since clowney. Everyone moved forward with kc as new coach except thomas. What are people saying.

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:

Thomas had a pff of 57 for 2019. Reading some of these comments i think im on crazy pills. Biggest low round dl bust since clowney. Everyone moved forward with kc as new coach except thomas. What are people saying.

I don't think anyone thinks He's played well. Well besides his mom who occasionally pops up. But he may benefit from AA leaving and being in a more defined starting role that suits his play.

Originally posted by tjd808185:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Not that I don't want him back. The dude has become a force and he's a true 9er...loves it here...works very hard; grinds.

We could find ourselves in the exact same situation with Solly too next year if we decline his option then he balls out. Nice problem to have having so much talent on the d line but keeping it together is a b. D lineman are expensive.

Yeah, it really is. And high quality IDL are starting to cost what DE/ER's are making.

We know how Saleh is always run-defense first. And remember when fans were concerned about moving to the W9 and the rush yards we'd give up? We gave up 1,800 yards and a 4.5 yard average...112 yards a game which was about 17th (identical to 2018). Not great...but none of it had any baring on the games. What made this defense was consistent pressure on the QB esp. on 3rd downs. Nobody runs anymore (except us and a few other run-centric teams). It's a passing league...period...1st, 2nd, 3rd and even 4th down...pass. This isn't a run-run-pass league, Saleh. It's a pass-run-pass league.

So, with Buckner scheduled to make $14.3M this year on his 5th year option....I'm guessing $14.5M for AA on a long-term deal, could the team let Buckner try the FA market next year and potentially let him walk?

If this team wants to continue running the W9, you need two Bosa's on the end and explosive, disruptive 1-gap penetrators inside esp. given the number of athletic QB's we tend to face; love to get outside our DE's despite running a W9. They can ONLY do that to AA's side...not Bosa's.

As it stands today, this is who's on the roster. And we know R.Blair and D.Moore should be easy, cheap resigns.

LDE/W9: Dee Ford; Anthony Zettel & Alex Barrett
2i: D.J. Jones; Solomon Thomas, Kentavius Street & Kevin Givens
3T: DeForest Buckner; Jullian Taylor, Willie Henry Jr. & Ray Smith
RDE/W9: Nick Bosa; Jonathan Kongbo

Between Zettel, Barrett, Kongbo, draft pick, plus Blair and Moore, we should have great depth at the end position for nickel; even some base downs. Now, for run defense base packages at LDE, we've got Thomas, J.Taylor, K.Street so far.

Another option is to use Buckner like AA if AA walks. He plays LDE in base and slides inside in nickel. While he's on the end in base, guys like Jones, Givens, Street, Taylor, Henry, and Smith can play inside.

With this concept, how much would we really lose in run defense? 4.5 yards to 4.6? And finding IDL to plug is so much easier than finding ER's who are very well rounded (can rush with variant moves, strong enough to bull rush and fast enough to set the edge against athletic QB's and RB's).

AA walks in the grand scheme here and that $14.5M-$19M-$21M salary goes to locking up these guys and perhaps, a better RG in FA and helping to extend at least one of these guys: Kittle or Buckner (in that order).

C Ben Garland - Offer 2-year, $3M deal (currently, $805K)
TE Levine Toilolo - Offer 2-year, $2M deal (currently, $735K)
DE Damontre Moore - Offer 2-year, $2M deal (currently, $235K)
DE Ronald Blair III - Offer 2-year, $5M deal (currently, $787K)
WR Emmanuel Sanders - Test free agency first (Expected to sign an $8-9M contract)
FS Jimmie Ward - Test free agency first (Expected to sign an $8-9M contract)

Tag n trade

Originally posted by JMC52:
Tag n trade

And if nobody bites? How are we paying either $19M or $21M?

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by JMC52:

Tag n trade

And if nobody bites? How are we paying either $19M or $21M?

Somebody will. It just depends how many team are interested. If its only 2 or 3 teams, that will bring his trade value down. Would we be okay with a 3rd? At that point u have no choice but to say okay.

Originally posted by TheGore49er:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by JMC52:

Tag n trade

And if nobody bites? How are we paying either $19M or $21M?

Somebody will. It just depends how many team are interested. If its only 2 or 3 teams, that will bring his trade value down. Would we be okay with a 3rd? At that point u have no choice but to say okay.

I'm not as confident as most. He's not an ER. He's a quilty DE who got all 10 sacks inside the T's with an epic support cast.

We gave up a 2 for Ford...the leagues top 3 ER in a career year.

You're going to get a 3rd next year for him in comp. So it better be a high 3rd at the least THIS year.

And I don't know if that really happens knowing we're cap strapped and can't afford the $19 or $21M cap hit if nobody bites. I think smart FO's just wait it out and bank he'll be free in FA soon.