Jacksonville Jaguar Arik Armstead-DT Thread

Originally posted by rto66:
you said ford was done which is ridiclous. he will rehab and be 100 percent for next season so you're wrong in that regard. i don't know what gs refers to but I will disregard that. you seem to always be negative on the niners and probably expect su to suck next season based on this post

He will never be 100%. He's been dealing with injuries since college, and his knee tendonitis flares up every camp.

Here's my question to people proposing AA walk: Who replaces his production? And no, don't answer with Kentavius Street, Julian Taylor, and Solomon Thomas because this isn't some fantasy sunshine and lollipop land where we can hope for the best with a positive mindset. Here's the reality: The only way the team replaces AA's production is if they draft an edge rusher early in the draft. And it has to be early. Double-digit pass rushers outside of the first are anomalies. The odds of drafting a highly productive pass rusher outside of the first are slim to none.

I don't mind letting AA walk if his production is replaced. The problem is the player capable of duplicating his production is not on this roster.

Originally posted by rto66:

Originally posted by 49erphan:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Another option is to use Buckner like AA if AA walks. He plays LDE in base and slides inside in nickel. While he's on the end in base, guys like Jones, Givens, Street, Taylor, Henry, and Smith can play inside.

If AA doesn't stay then I really like the idea of using Buckner like AA in the sense of playing LDE and sliding inside in nickel. I think he might be somewhat more vulnerable to double teams at LDE than AA (in general) but probably more than make up for that in being better at setting the edge and responding more quickly to sneaky offensive plays that tend to pull the LDE inside and the play goes outside.

thats why we will reisgn armstead. this team is built around our elite defensive line so I have no doubt that we will resign armstead. also once ford is 100 percent (which he will be) we will be dominant next season

The problem is you said that ALL YEAR LONG. And it didn't happen.

FTR, I hope we do resign AA and Ford gets 100% healthy this off season. Obviously, that would be ideal. In fact, just resigning AA means Ford is still just a nickel ER...600 max snaps.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by rto66:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by rto66:
saying ford is done is ridiculous. he has a sack on cousins and was instrumental in beating the packers. He was very productive this season when he was playing. so saying he is done is the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard in my lifetime. armstead is a ver important player that we will resign but to say ford is done is ludicrous.

Oh GS, you're so triggered. 3...2...1

you said ford was done which is ridiclous. he will rehab and be 100 percent for next season so you're wrong in that regard. i don't know what gs refers to but I will disregard that. you seem to always be negative on the niners and probably expect su to suck next season based on this post

Literal quote: "He might be done."

He just does not move or run right, even with all that time off. Sad. I hope he'll be fine but I've been hoping that all year long. He's was useless in the Superbowl.

#GoldenSnake

funny how he was useless when we actually getting pressure on mahomes until bosa was blatantly held. so saying he might be done is also ridiculous. ford was so important on stopping rodgers and cousins which we did. but nobody ever wants to give him credit and to say he is useless is honestly a joke. when he went out our pass rush rate went down and we couldn't stop brees, jackson and wilson. so if that is "useless" then I don't know what useful is then. ford is a good player that was dealing with an injury this year. some rehab will make him the elite player we need him to be.

Originally posted by Heroism:

Originally posted by rto66:
you said ford was done which is ridiclous. he will rehab and be 100 percent for next season so you're wrong in that regard. i don't know what gs refers to but I will disregard that. you seem to always be negative on the niners and probably expect su to suck next season based on this post

He will never be 100%. He's been dealing with injuries since college, and his knee tendonitis flares up every camp.

Here's my question to people proposing AA walk: Who replaces his production? And no, don't answer with Kentavius Street, Julian Taylor, and Solomon Thomas because this isn't some fantasy sunshine and lollipop land where we can hope for the best with a positive mindset. Here's the reality: The only way the team replaces AA's production is if they draft an edge rusher early in the draft. And it has to be early. Double-digit pass rushers outside of the first are anomalies. The odds of drafting a highly productive pass rusher outside of the first are slim to none.

I don't mind letting AA walk if his production is replaced. The problem is the player capable of duplicating his production is not on this roster.

ummmm tendonosis means that he can't just practice everytime. then how come he was so productive with the chiefs and with us this season? huh how come? answer that. exactly ford is a productive player so people need to stop hating on him. people said the same thing about bosa and he was the defensive rookie of the year. Also do you really think lynch is gonna let armstead walk because we "don't have salary cap space" when we do according to jason hurley. people need to be appreciative of what lynch shanahan have done in building a potential super bowl winner that has a good championship window.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by rto66:

Originally posted by 49erphan:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Another option is to use Buckner like AA if AA walks. He plays LDE in base and slides inside in nickel. While he's on the end in base, guys like Jones, Givens, Street, Taylor, Henry, and Smith can play inside.

If AA doesn't stay then I really like the idea of using Buckner like AA in the sense of playing LDE and sliding inside in nickel. I think he might be somewhat more vulnerable to double teams at LDE than AA (in general) but probably more than make up for that in being better at setting the edge and responding more quickly to sneaky offensive plays that tend to pull the LDE inside and the play goes outside.

thats why we will reisgn armstead. this team is built around our elite defensive line so I have no doubt that we will resign armstead. also once ford is 100 percent (which he will be) we will be dominant next season

The problem is you said that ALL YEAR LONG. And it didn't happen.

FTR, I hope we do resign AA and Ford gets 100% healthy this off season. Obviously, that would be ideal. In fact, just resigning AA means Ford is still just a nickel ER...600 max snaps.

when did I say that? we made it to the superbowl and ford was a big part of it. so saying he is done is once again ridiculous.

Originally posted by Heroism:

Originally posted by rto66:

you said ford was done which is ridiclous. he will rehab and be 100 percent for next season so you're wrong in that regard. i don't know what gs refers to but I will disregard that. you seem to always be negative on the niners and probably expect su to suck next season based on this post

He will never be 100%. He's been dealing with injuries since college, and his knee tendonitis flares up every camp.

Here's my question to people proposing AA walk: Who replaces his production? And no, don't answer with Kentavius Street, Julian Taylor, and Solomon Thomas because this isn't some fantasy sunshine and lollipop land where we can hope for the best with a positive mindset. Here's the reality: The only way the team replaces AA's production is if they draft an edge rusher early in the draft. And it has to be early. Double-digit pass rushers outside of the first are anomalies. The odds of drafting a highly productive pass rusher outside of the first are slim to none.

I don't mind letting AA walk if his production is replaced. The problem is the player capable of duplicating his production is not on this roster.

Short answer: you can't replace him.

You're talking a near 800 snap player. One who has very few weaknesses he needs to work on and who's been developing for 5 years.

Hypothetically...if the FO/he chose to move on, I would imagine it would be Buckner (base) + Ford (nickel) and then rely on Jones and other IDL to be more pluggers than 1 gap attackers when he's on the end. Either way, you lose something.

Originally posted by rto66:

when did I say that? we made it to the superbowl and ford was a big part of it. so saying he is done is once again ridiculous.

Ford was a big part of what? He had 223 snaps all year long. Are you trying to imply he was big in the playoffs?

Originally posted by Heroism:

Originally posted by rto66:
you said ford was done which is ridiclous. he will rehab and be 100 percent for next season so you're wrong in that regard. i don't know what gs refers to but I will disregard that. you seem to always be negative on the niners and probably expect su to suck next season based on this post

He will never be 100%. He's been dealing with injuries since college, and his knee tendonitis flares up every camp.

Here's my question to people proposing AA walk: Who replaces his production? And no, don't answer with Kentavius Street, Julian Taylor, and Solomon Thomas because this isn't some fantasy sunshine and lollipop land where we can hope for the best with a positive mindset. Here's the reality: The only way the team replaces AA's production is if they draft an edge rusher early in the draft. And it has to be early. Double-digit pass rushers outside of the first are anomalies. The odds of drafting a highly productive pass rusher outside of the first are slim to none.

I don't mind letting AA walk if his production is replaced. The problem is the player capable of duplicating his production is not on this roster.

Do you mean ERs or just pass rushers in general? Not necessarily disagreeing with you, but If you look at the top 20 sack guys, it's a 50/50 split between 1st round guys and non 1st round guys. Then next 10-20 also seem to follow that trend. That said I really hope they lock up AA, because they are not going to be while to replace his production this offseason imo

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Heroism:

Originally posted by rto66:
you said ford was done which is ridiclous. he will rehab and be 100 percent for next season so you're wrong in that regard. i don't know what gs refers to but I will disregard that. you seem to always be negative on the niners and probably expect su to suck next season based on this post

He will never be 100%. He's been dealing with injuries since college, and his knee tendonitis flares up every camp.

Here's my question to people proposing AA walk: Who replaces his production? And no, don't answer with Kentavius Street, Julian Taylor, and Solomon Thomas because this isn't some fantasy sunshine and lollipop land where we can hope for the best with a positive mindset. Here's the reality: The only way the team replaces AA's production is if they draft an edge rusher early in the draft. And it has to be early. Double-digit pass rushers outside of the first are anomalies. The odds of drafting a highly productive pass rusher outside of the first are slim to none.

I don't mind letting AA walk if his production is replaced. The problem is the player capable of duplicating his production is not on this roster.

Short answer: you can't replace him.

You're talking a near 800 snap player. One who has very few weaknesses he needs to work on and who's been developing for 5 years.

Hypothetically...if the FO/he chose to move on, I would imagine it would be Buckner (base) + Ford (nickel) and then rely on Jones and other IDL to be more pluggers than 1 gap attackers when he's on the end. Either way, you lose something.

hence why armstead will be resigned. you think lynch and shanahan let go of quality talent. they themselves said they want to build this team around the defensive line. that speaks volumes.

Originally posted by rto66:
then how come he was so productive with the chiefs and with us this season? huh how come? answer that. exactly

Did you just answer your own question?


Nobody said Dee Ford sucks. Dee Ford is a really good edge rusher, BUT he's also always hurt. These are facts. Also, he turns 29 next month. This dude only has so much tread left on those faulty tires before they completely fall off.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by rto66:
when did I say that? we made it to the superbowl and ford was a big part of it. so saying he is done is once again ridiculous.

Ford was a big part of what? He had 223 snaps all year long. Are you trying to imply he was big in the playoffs?

because he was dealing with a hamstring injury like so many other great players have gone through. its as if ford is unique and cant deal with an injury like many good players have gone through. cmon now not every good player is an ironman.

Originally posted by Heroism:

Originally posted by rto66:
then how come he was so productive with the chiefs and with us this season? huh how come? answer that. exactly

Did you just answer your own question?


Nobody said Dee Ford sucks. Dee Ford is a really good edge rusher, BUT he's also always hurt. These are facts. Also, he turns 29 next month. This dude only has so much tread left on those faulty tires before they completely fall off.

age doesn't matter. facts are he had 6.5 sacks in limited snaps. not every player is an ironman. players deal with injuries all the time yet ford gets criticized for dealing with an injury other good players have dealt with.

Originally posted by rto66:

hence why armstead will be resigned. you think lynch and shanahan let go of quality talent. they themselves said they want to build this team around the defensive line. that speaks volumes.

Actually, Lynch has said several times in the recent past he's going to get paid "by someone" IIRC. I took that as, he's going to get paid either way and it might not be by us. IMHO, it even had a hint of, we just can't afford him but he's earned it. Now, his tune may have changed since then but my guess was they weren't expecting him to break out like this nor planned on giving him a $14-$18M APY contract after just paying Ford and Alexander last year.

Originally posted by rto66:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by rto66:

when did I say that? we made it to the superbowl and ford was a big part of it. so saying he is done is once again ridiculous.

Ford was a big part of what? He had 223 snaps all year long. Are you trying to imply he was big in the playoffs?

because he was dealing with a hamstring injury like so many other great players have gone through. its as if ford is unique and cant deal with an injury like many good players have gone through. cmon now not every good player is an ironman.

Tendonosis, tendonitis, quad and hamstring issues. It's all interrelated. He also looked totally gassed in the Superbowl too...another product of not being able to practice. You've been dead wrong on him all year...unfortunately

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by rto66:
hence why armstead will be resigned. you think lynch and shanahan let go of quality talent. they themselves said they want to build this team around the defensive line. that speaks volumes.

Actually, Lynch has said several times in the recent past he's going to get paid "by someone" IIRC. I took that as, he's going to get paid either way and it might not be by us. IMHO, it even had a hint of, we just can't afford him but he's earned it. Now, td tune may have changed but my guess was they weren't expecting him to break out like this not planned on giving him a $14-$18M APY contract after just paying Ford and Alexander.

nope. armstead grew up a niners fan and saleh shanahan really like him. you don't let players like that walk. also jason hurley said we could resign armstead and others so I'll believe his analysis.