Jacksonville Jaguar Arik Armstead-DT Thread

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by rto66:
when did I say that? we made it to the superbowl and ford was a big part of it. so saying he is done is once again ridiculous.

Ford was a big part of what? He had 223 snaps all year long. Are you trying to imply he was big in the playoffs?

I mean he did look pretty good in the divisional and nfccg. And He was going up against maybe the premiere RT in football in the SB. In regards to his running, honestly he looked to be running pretty much the same as he did all season, maybe a little gimpier. There were times I thought he looked rigid and hobbled during the year, but then realized when I watched his past games it's kind of just the way he runs and he was producing when in there. The hamstring is what really screwed him up this year. The knee is something he can, and has played through at a high level. But now with it being tendonosis, we probably won't see him on the team once that rip cord in his contract comes up depending on how much further his knee has deteriorated.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by rto66:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by rto66:
when did I say that? we made it to the superbowl and ford was a big part of it. so saying he is done is once again ridiculous.

Ford was a big part of what? He had 223 snaps all year long. Are you trying to imply he was big in the playoffs?

because he was dealing with a hamstring injury like so many other great players have gone through. its as if ford is unique and cant deal with an injury like many good players have gone through. cmon now not every good player is an ironman.

Tendonosis, tendonitis, quad and hamstring issues. It's all interrelated. He also looked totally gassed in the Superbowl too...another product of not being able to practice. You've been dead wrong on him all year...unfortunately

people said the same thing about armstead last year and clowney the year before.... but whatever apparently ford sucks and he should be released. once that happens ford becomes a hall of famer to everybody

Originally posted by rto66:

nope. armstead grew up a niners fan and saleh shanahan really like him. you don't let players like that walk. also jason hurley said we could resign armstead and others so I'll believe his analysis.

Of course they really like him. We all do. I illustrated a couple pages back how we could retain him, and extend Kittle and Buckner. But it's going to take some big time restructures that 3-5 players would all have to agree upon. We only have $12M in cap space right now. It would take some serious restructures to push more cap down the road.

Originally posted by rto66:

people said the same thing about armstead last year and clowney the year before.... but whatever apparently ford sucks and he should be released. once that happens ford becomes a hall of famer to everybody

Ford is actually one of those players who should be restructured down to the real role he plays. A part time nickel ER.

And look at the article on Buckner. You know he's a priority over AA. And if he already turned down $60M GTD, yikes.

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by rto66:
when did I say that? we made it to the superbowl and ford was a big part of it. so saying he is done is once again ridiculous.

Ford was a big part of what? He had 223 snaps all year long. Are you trying to imply he was big in the playoffs?

I mean he did look pretty good in the divisional and nfccg. And He was going up against maybe the premiere RT in football in the SB. In regards to his running, honestly he looked to be running pretty much the same as he did all season, maybe a little gimpier. There were times I thought he looked rigid and hobbled during the year, but then realized when I watched his past games it's kind of just the way he runs and he was producing when in there. The hamstring is what really screwed him up this year. The knee is something he can, and has played through at a high level. But now with it being tendonosis, we probably won't see him on the team once that rip cord in his contract comes up depending on how much further his knee has deteriorated.

its so sad that a good player like ford gets called washed up just because he was dealing with a hamstring injury which a lot of players go through. also if tendonosis was an issue then how come he was so productive with the chiefs the year before and with us when he was playing this year? ford will be 100 percent but unfortunately their are those that always negative and will constantly make statements just to be negative. nobody wants to enjoy the niners being relevant again and having an opportunity to win the superbowl the next few years. our fanbase is so sad.

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

I mean he did look pretty good in the divisional and nfccg. And He was going up against maybe the premiere RT in football in the SB. In regards to his running, honestly he looked to be running pretty much the same as he did all season, maybe a little gimpier. There were times I thought he looked rigid and hobbled during the year, but then realized when I watched his past games it's kind of just the way he runs and he was producing when in there. The hamstring is what really screwed him up this year. The knee is something he can, and has played through at a high level. But now with it being tendonosis, we probably won't see him on the team once that rip cord in his contract comes up depending on how much further his knee has deteriorated.

Yeah, either way, he's not going anywhere this year. He might be smart and take a restructure deal now (upfront GTD $) knowing there's a real possibility of getting cut outright next year if he's questioning his own health (like we are).

I think they'll find a way to keep him - probably franchise him. We'll see.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by rto66:
people said the same thing about armstead last year and clowney the year before.... but whatever apparently ford sucks and he should be released. once that happens ford becomes a hall of famer to everybody

Ford is actually one of those players who should be restructured down to the real role he plays. A part time nickel ER.

And look at the article on Buckner. You know he's a priority over AA. And if he already turned down $60M GTD, yikes.

yikes with what. armstead and buckner are friends. they will make sure both get paid. armstead thrives in this scheme and he doesnt want to leave. also jason hurley said we could reisgn both armstead and buckner and others if we restructure some contracts which we will for sure do. but nope everybodys negative and probably expect us to win 8 games next year. it is what it is with this whining fanbase

Originally posted by mayo49:
I think they'll find a way to keep him - probably franchise him. We'll see.

its almost 100 percent guranteed that armstead will be reisgned. Im just so dissapointed with our fanbase that constantly criticize lynch shanahan york ford jimmy g and everbody niners. its really disapointing that people really expect us to only win 8 games next season.

Originally posted by rto66:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by rto66:
when did I say that? we made it to the superbowl and ford was a big part of it. so saying he is done is once again ridiculous.

Ford was a big part of what? He had 223 snaps all year long. Are you trying to imply he was big in the playoffs?

I mean he did look pretty good in the divisional and nfccg. And He was going up against maybe the premiere RT in football in the SB. In regards to his running, honestly he looked to be running pretty much the same as he did all season, maybe a little gimpier. There were times I thought he looked rigid and hobbled during the year, but then realized when I watched his past games it's kind of just the way he runs and he was producing when in there. The hamstring is what really screwed him up this year. The knee is something he can, and has played through at a high level. But now with it being tendonosis, we probably won't see him on the team once that rip cord in his contract comes up depending on how much further his knee has deteriorated.

its so sad that a good player like ford gets called washed up just because he was dealing with a hamstring injury which a lot of players go through. also if tendonosis was an issue then how come he was so productive with the chiefs the year before and with us when he was playing this year? ford will be 100 percent but unfortunately their are those that always negative and will constantly make statements just to be negative. nobody wants to enjoy the niners being relevant again and having an opportunity to win the superbowl the next few years. our fanbase is so sad.

While I dont think he is washed up, there are valid points about the wear and tear with him. He himself has said he will never be 100%. I just hope they can get a solid year out if him and get a SB, then that rip cord comes up and somehow they can work a S&T for Bosa, which is a total pipe dream lol. But this is why I think it's essential to resign AA.
To your second point, he was dealing with tendinitis in KC. This offseason it progressed to tendonosis, which means the collagen is deteriorating. So it's not exactly the same situation as in KC.

Originally posted by rto66:

yikes with what. armstead and buckner are friends. they will make sure both get paid. armstead thrives in this scheme and he doesnt want to leave. also jason hurley said we could reisgn both armstead and buckner and others if we restructure some contracts which we will for sure do. but nope everybodys negative and probably expect us to win 8 games next year. it is what it is with this whining fanbase

Are you a bot?

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

While I dont think he is washed up, there are valid points about the wear and tear with him. He himself has said he will never be 100%. I just hope they can get a solid year out if him and get a SB, then that rip cord comes up and somehow they can work a S&T for Bosa, which is a total pipe dream lol. But this is why I think it's essential to resign AA.
To your second point, he was dealing with tendinitis in KC. This offseason it progressed to tendonodis, which means the collagen is deteriorating. So it's not exactly the same situation as in KC.

Truth. It would suck ass if we couldn't resign AA because of Ford's contract only to have to pull the ripcord next year on him too because of health.

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by rto66:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by rto66:
when did I say that? we made it to the superbowl and ford was a big part of it. so saying he is done is once again ridiculous.

Ford was a big part of what? He had 223 snaps all year long. Are you trying to imply he was big in the playoffs?

I mean he did look pretty good in the divisional and nfccg. And He was going up against maybe the premiere RT in football in the SB. In regards to his running, honestly he looked to be running pretty much the same as he did all season, maybe a little gimpier. There were times I thought he looked rigid and hobbled during the year, but then realized when I watched his past games it's kind of just the way he runs and he was producing when in there. The hamstring is what really screwed him up this year. The knee is something he can, and has played through at a high level. But now with it being tendonosis, we probably won't see him on the team once that rip cord in his contract comes up depending on how much further his knee has deteriorated.

its so sad that a good player like ford gets called washed up just because he was dealing with a hamstring injury which a lot of players go through. also if tendonosis was an issue then how come he was so productive with the chiefs the year before and with us when he was playing this year? ford will be 100 percent but unfortunately their are those that always negative and will constantly make statements just to be negative. nobody wants to enjoy the niners being relevant again and having an opportunity to win the superbowl the next few years. our fanbase is so sad.

While I dont think he is washed up, there are valid points about the wear and tear with him. He himself has said he will never be 100%. I just hope they can get a solid year out if him and get a SB, then that rip cord comes up and somehow they can work a S&T for Bosa, which is a total pipe dream lol. But this is why I think it's essential to resign AA.
To your second point, he was dealing with tendinitis in KC. This offseason it progressed to tendonosis, which means the collagen is deteriorating. So it's not exactly the same situation as in KC.

not really but ok. ford has all offseason to get healthy which he will do. but its good. while everybody is doubting the niners next season i will be ready and fired up getting ready for another great season and hopefully a superbowl win. go niners and screw the doubters!

Originally posted by rto66:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by rto66:

people said the same thing about armstead last year and clowney the year before.... but whatever apparently ford sucks and he should be released. once that happens ford becomes a hall of famer to everybody

Ford is actually one of those players who should be restructured down to the real role he plays. A part time nickel ER.

And look at the article on Buckner. You know he's a priority over AA. And if he already turned down $60M GTD, yikes.

yikes with what. armstead and buckner are friends. they will make sure both get paid. armstead thrives in this scheme and he doesnt want to leave. also jason hurley said we could reisgn both armstead and buckner and others if we restructure some contracts which we will for sure do. but nope everybodys negative and probably expect us to win 8 games next year. it is what it is with this whining fanbase

It is possible to afford AA and restructure. I explained all that a few weeks ago in an article. Question is, does it set them up for failure everywhere else?

They'd have more than $50 million a year tied to the four starters on the DL. That's 25+% of the salary cap going to 7.5% of your roster. When you add in other expensive players like Jimmy and Kittle after extension, you are looking at have $115 mil to sign 47 other guys. That's not even 2.5 mil per player.

So pay reserves nothing right? 49ers would have the worst depth in the league then and depth is massively important.

Even if the 49ers only average $1.5 mil per backup (not even 600k over minimum) that still leaves just $71.5 million for the remaining 18 starters (K, P included).

That's less than $4 mil per starter. You're not finding/keeping starters at that price. Most of the starters already cost more than that.

Basically, the 49ers could possibly afford everyone this year. Next year is a different story though. Paraag magic essentially back loads deals when the 49ers can get out as guaranteed is already paid. Ford is more expensive, DeFo is bound to be, AA is bound to be, Bosa goes up approximately 1.5 mil per year, Jimmy goes up ... It's not sustainable.

Sure the 49ers could cut Ford year and gain nearly $13 mil for the cap. That's not going to plug the holes that are bound to emerge and that will only really take care of the riding cap hits of other players.

I wish the 49ers could pay AA but it will destroy the rest of the team to do so. He's a luxury with the other DL the team has. It's as simple as that.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:
While I dont think he is washed up, there are valid points about the wear and tear with him. He himself has said he will never be 100%. I just hope they can get a solid year out if him and get a SB, then that rip cord comes up and somehow they can work a S&T for Bosa, which is a total pipe dream lol. But this is why I think it's essential to resign AA.
To your second point, he was dealing with tendinitis in KC. This offseason it progressed to tendonodis, which means the collagen is deteriorating. So it's not exactly the same situation as in KC.

Truth. It would suck ass if we couldn't resign AA because of Ford's contract only to have to pull the ripcord next year on him too because of health.

then you pretty much believe this niners are screwed next season. seriously making comments like pulling the ripcord and that ford is done is not right at all. ford will be productive next season. he was dealing with a hamstring issue this season which caused him to miss games. to call him washed up is honestly ridiculous and you know that. negative nancy