Jacksonville Jaguar Arik Armstead-DT Thread

Originally posted by DaBum:

Originally posted by rto66:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by rto66:
people said the same thing about armstead last year and clowney the year before.... but whatever apparently ford sucks and he should be released. once that happens ford becomes a hall of famer to everybody

Ford is actually one of those players who should be restructured down to the real role he plays. A part time nickel ER.

And look at the article on Buckner. You know he's a priority over AA. And if he already turned down $60M GTD, yikes.

yikes with what. armstead and buckner are friends. they will make sure both get paid. armstead thrives in this scheme and he doesnt want to leave. also jason hurley said we could reisgn both armstead and buckner and others if we restructure some contracts which we will for sure do. but nope everybodys negative and probably expect us to win 8 games next year. it is what it is with this whining fanbase

It is possible to afford AA and restructure. I explained all that a few weeks ago in an article. Question is, does it set them up for failure everywhere else?

They'd have more than $50 million a year tied to the four starters on the DL. That's 25+% of the salary cap going to 7.5% of your roster. When you add in other expensive players like Jimmy and Kittle after extension, you are looking at have $115 mil to sign 47 other guys. That's not even 2.5 mil per player.

So pay reserves nothing right? 49ers would have the worst depth in the league then and depth is massively important.

Even if the 49ers only average $1.5 mil per backup (not even 600k over minimum) that still leaves just $71.5 million for the remaining 18 starters (K, P included).

That's less than $4 mil per starter. You're not finding/keeping starters at that price. Most of the starters already cost more than that.

Basically, the 49ers could possibly afford everyone this year. Next year is a different story though. Paraag magic essentially back loads deals when the 49ers can get out as guaranteed is already paid. Ford is more expensive, DeFo is bound to be, AA is bound to be, Bosa goes up approximately 1.5 mil per year, Jimmy goes up ... It's not sustainable.

Sure the 49ers could cut Ford year and gain nearly $13 mil for the cap. That's not going to plug the holes that are bound to emerge and that will only really take care of the riding cap hits of other players.

I wish the 49ers could pay AA but it will destroy the rest of the team to do so. He's a luxury with the other DL the team has. It's as simple as that.

jason hurleys articles said otherwise but whatever. apparently the niners are screwed the next 5 seasons even though were not. but ok 8-8 next season

Originally posted by DaBum:

Originally posted by rto66:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by rto66:

people said the same thing about armstead last year and clowney the year before.... but whatever apparently ford sucks and he should be released. once that happens ford becomes a hall of famer to everybody

Ford is actually one of those players who should be restructured down to the real role he plays. A part time nickel ER.

And look at the article on Buckner. You know he's a priority over AA. And if he already turned down $60M GTD, yikes.

yikes with what. armstead and buckner are friends. they will make sure both get paid. armstead thrives in this scheme and he doesnt want to leave. also jason hurley said we could reisgn both armstead and buckner and others if we restructure some contracts which we will for sure do. but nope everybodys negative and probably expect us to win 8 games next year. it is what it is with this whining fanbase

It is possible to afford AA and restructure. I explained all that a few weeks ago in an article. Question is, does it set them up for failure everywhere else?

They'd have more than $50 million a year tied to the four starters on the DL. That's 25+% of the salary cap going to 7.5% of your roster. When you add in other expensive players like Jimmy and Kittle after extension, you are looking at have $115 mil to sign 47 other guys. That's not even 2.5 mil per player.

So pay reserves nothing right? 49ers would have the worst depth in the league then and depth is massively important.

Even if the 49ers only average $1.5 mil per backup (not even 600k over minimum) that still leaves just $71.5 million for the remaining 18 starters (K, P included).

That's less than $4 mil per starter. You're not finding/keeping starters at that price. Most of the starters already cost more than that.

Basically, the 49ers could possibly afford everyone this year. Next year is a different story though. Paraag magic essentially back loads deals when the 49ers can get out as guaranteed is already paid. Ford is more expensive, DeFo is bound to be, AA is bound to be, Bosa goes up approximately 1.5 mil per year, Jimmy goes up ... It's not sustainable.

Sure the 49ers could cut Ford year and gain nearly $13 mil for the cap. That's not going to plug the holes that are bound to emerge and that will only really take care of the riding cap hits of other players.

I wish the 49ers could pay AA but it will destroy the rest of the team to do so. He's a luxury with the other DL the team has. It's as simple as that.

I like this kind of party. Well said (and researched).

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by DaBum:

Originally posted by rto66:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by rto66:
people said the same thing about armstead last year and clowney the year before.... but whatever apparently ford sucks and he should be released. once that happens ford becomes a hall of famer to everybody

Ford is actually one of those players who should be restructured down to the real role he plays. A part time nickel ER.

And look at the article on Buckner. You know he's a priority over AA. And if he already turned down $60M GTD, yikes.

yikes with what. armstead and buckner are friends. they will make sure both get paid. armstead thrives in this scheme and he doesnt want to leave. also jason hurley said we could reisgn both armstead and buckner and others if we restructure some contracts which we will for sure do. but nope everybodys negative and probably expect us to win 8 games next year. it is what it is with this whining fanbase

It is possible to afford AA and restructure. I explained all that a few weeks ago in an article. Question is, does it set them up for failure everywhere else?

They'd have more than $50 million a year tied to the four starters on the DL. That's 25+% of the salary cap going to 7.5% of your roster. When you add in other expensive players like Jimmy and Kittle after extension, you are looking at have $115 mil to sign 47 other guys. That's not even 2.5 mil per player.

So pay reserves nothing right? 49ers would have the worst depth in the league then and depth is massively important.

Even if the 49ers only average $1.5 mil per backup (not even 600k over minimum) that still leaves just $71.5 million for the remaining 18 starters (K, P included).

That's less than $4 mil per starter. You're not finding/keeping starters at that price. Most of the starters already cost more than that.

Basically, the 49ers could possibly afford everyone this year. Next year is a different story though. Paraag magic essentially back loads deals when the 49ers can get out as guaranteed is already paid. Ford is more expensive, DeFo is bound to be, AA is bound to be, Bosa goes up approximately 1.5 mil per year, Jimmy goes up ... It's not sustainable.

Sure the 49ers could cut Ford year and gain nearly $13 mil for the cap. That's not going to plug the holes that are bound to emerge and that will only really take care of the riding cap hits of other players.

I wish the 49ers could pay AA but it will destroy the rest of the team to do so. He's a luxury with the other DL the team has. It's as simple as that.

I like this kind of party. Well said (and researched).

jason hurley said we could keep everybody. I'll believe his great analysis and nothing else. we are in a championship window and lynch marathe and shanahan will keep it that way whether you or anybody else likes it or not.

Originally posted by okdkid:
Still not sure where the "we can't afford him" thing is coming from. Not only can the Niners easily create space in the short term... the salary cap is set to increase $30-$40M in the next two years.

Salary cap is not an issue.

it is according to all the people that doubt the niners. nobody believes in our team that made the superbowl and are finally relevant again. they just want to criticize shanahan lynch marathe ford jimmy g and everything niners.

Originally posted by rto66:

Originally posted by DaBum:

Originally posted by rto66:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by rto66:

people said the same thing about armstead last year and clowney the year before.... but whatever apparently ford sucks and he should be released. once that happens ford becomes a hall of famer to everybody

Ford is actually one of those players who should be restructured down to the real role he plays. A part time nickel ER.

And look at the article on Buckner. You know he's a priority over AA. And if he already turned down $60M GTD, yikes.

yikes with what. armstead and buckner are friends. they will make sure both get paid. armstead thrives in this scheme and he doesnt want to leave. also jason hurley said we could reisgn both armstead and buckner and others if we restructure some contracts which we will for sure do. but nope everybodys negative and probably expect us to win 8 games next year. it is what it is with this whining fanbase

It is possible to afford AA and restructure. I explained all that a few weeks ago in an article. Question is, does it set them up for failure everywhere else?

They'd have more than $50 million a year tied to the four starters on the DL. That's 25+% of the salary cap going to 7.5% of your roster. When you add in other expensive players like Jimmy and Kittle after extension, you are looking at have $115 mil to sign 47 other guys. That's not even 2.5 mil per player.

So pay reserves nothing right? 49ers would have the worst depth in the league then and depth is massively important.

Even if the 49ers only average $1.5 mil per backup (not even 600k over minimum) that still leaves just $71.5 million for the remaining 18 starters (K, P included).

That's less than $4 mil per starter. You're not finding/keeping starters at that price. Most of the starters already cost more than that.

Basically, the 49ers could possibly afford everyone this year. Next year is a different story though. Paraag magic essentially back loads deals when the 49ers can get out as guaranteed is already paid. Ford is more expensive, DeFo is bound to be, AA is bound to be, Bosa goes up approximately 1.5 mil per year, Jimmy goes up ... It's not sustainable.

Sure the 49ers could cut Ford year and gain nearly $13 mil for the cap. That's not going to plug the holes that are bound to emerge and that will only really take care of the riding cap hits of other players.

I wish the 49ers could pay AA but it will destroy the rest of the team to do so. He's a luxury with the other DL the team has. It's as simple as that.

jason hurleys articles said otherwise but whatever. apparently the niners are screwed the next 5 seasons even though were not. but ok 8-8 next season

Jason Hurley said the 49ers can afford him. He did not say it wouldn't cost a lot or that it wouldn't have implications on the rest of the roster.

Also, AA is not the difference between 13 wins and 8 wins.

Originally posted by rto66:

then you pretty much believe this niners are screwed next season. seriously making comments like pulling the ripcord and that ford is done is not right at all. ford will be productive next season. he was dealing with a hamstring issue this season which caused him to miss games. to call him washed up is honestly ridiculous and you know that. negative nancy

No, I think they'll file for bankruptcy this year and get banned from Santa Clara permanently...and the Yorks will have to sell back to Eddie D.

Originally posted by DaBum:

Originally posted by rto66:

Originally posted by DaBum:

Originally posted by rto66:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by rto66:
people said the same thing about armstead last year and clowney the year before.... but whatever apparently ford sucks and he should be released. once that happens ford becomes a hall of famer to everybody

Ford is actually one of those players who should be restructured down to the real role he plays. A part time nickel ER.

And look at the article on Buckner. You know he's a priority over AA. And if he already turned down $60M GTD, yikes.

yikes with what. armstead and buckner are friends. they will make sure both get paid. armstead thrives in this scheme and he doesnt want to leave. also jason hurley said we could reisgn both armstead and buckner and others if we restructure some contracts which we will for sure do. but nope everybodys negative and probably expect us to win 8 games next year. it is what it is with this whining fanbase

It is possible to afford AA and restructure. I explained all that a few weeks ago in an article. Question is, does it set them up for failure everywhere else?

They'd have more than $50 million a year tied to the four starters on the DL. That's 25+% of the salary cap going to 7.5% of your roster. When you add in other expensive players like Jimmy and Kittle after extension, you are looking at have $115 mil to sign 47 other guys. That's not even 2.5 mil per player.

So pay reserves nothing right? 49ers would have the worst depth in the league then and depth is massively important.

Even if the 49ers only average $1.5 mil per backup (not even 600k over minimum) that still leaves just $71.5 million for the remaining 18 starters (K, P included).

That's less than $4 mil per starter. You're not finding/keeping starters at that price. Most of the starters already cost more than that.

Basically, the 49ers could possibly afford everyone this year. Next year is a different story though. Paraag magic essentially back loads deals when the 49ers can get out as guaranteed is already paid. Ford is more expensive, DeFo is bound to be, AA is bound to be, Bosa goes up approximately 1.5 mil per year, Jimmy goes up ... It's not sustainable.

Sure the 49ers could cut Ford year and gain nearly $13 mil for the cap. That's not going to plug the holes that are bound to emerge and that will only really take care of the riding cap hits of other players.

I wish the 49ers could pay AA but it will destroy the rest of the team to do so. He's a luxury with the other DL the team has. It's as simple as that.

jason hurleys articles said otherwise but whatever. apparently the niners are screwed the next 5 seasons even though were not. but ok 8-8 next season

Jason Hurley said the 49ers can afford him. He did not say it wouldn't cost a lot or that it wouldn't have implications on the rest of the roster.

Also, AA is not the difference between 13 wins and 8 wins.

I don't know. I get the impression based on reading these threads that people here expect the worst and that niners are always screwed no matter what. thats my feeling.

Originally posted by rto66:

Originally posted by okdkid:

Still not sure where the "we can't afford him" thing is coming from. Not only can the Niners easily create space in the short term... the salary cap is set to increase $30-$40M in the next two years.

Salary cap is not an issue.

it is according to all the people that doubt the niners. nobody believes in our team that made the superbowl and are finally relevant again. they just want to criticize shanahan lynch marathe ford jimmy g and everything niners.

Your angst is misdirected if you're aiming it at NC or me.

Originally posted by DaBum:

Originally posted by rto66:

Originally posted by okdkid:
Still not sure where the "we can't afford him" thing is coming from. Not only can the Niners easily create space in the short term... the salary cap is set to increase $30-$40M in the next two years.

Salary cap is not an issue.

it is according to all the people that doubt the niners. nobody believes in our team that made the superbowl and are finally relevant again. they just want to criticize shanahan lynch marathe ford jimmy g and everything niners.

Your angst is misdirected if you're aiming it at NC or me.

Im not Im just saying thats the feeling I get. when I hear things like ford is washed up and done then you could imagine somebody would react to that honestly bogus analysis.

With the salary cap set to go up substantially coupled with various ripcords in contracts, expiring deals, cuts, etc, I disagree that locking up AA long term is going to somehow cripple this team going forward and strip them of their depth. They are in pretty good shape going forward and still should be able to retain guys while still maintaining flexibility

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

With the salary cap set to go up substantially coupled with various ripcords in contracts, expiring deals, cuts, etc, I disagree that locking up AA long term is going to somehow cripple this team going forward and strip them of their depth. They are in pretty good shape going forward and still should be able to retain guys while still maintaining flexibility

If the salary cap grows by 20-30 mil then I agree. I'm not counting chickens before they hatch. Can't operate under the unknown. Lynch and Co. may know it's for certain though. It'd behoove them to use it if they know for sure.

Originally posted by DaBum:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:
With the salary cap set to go up substantially coupled with various ripcords in contracts, expiring deals, cuts, etc, I disagree that locking up AA long term is going to somehow cripple this team going forward and strip them of their depth. They are in pretty good shape going forward and still should be able to retain guys while still maintaining flexibility

If the salary cap grows by 20-30 mil then I agree. I'm not counting chickens before they hatch. Can't operate under the unknown. Lynch and Co. may know it's for certain though. It'd behoove them to use it if they know for sure.

That's very fair and I respect that you didn't write your article under that assumption. Interested to see how this all progresses

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by DaBum:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

With the salary cap set to go up substantially coupled with various ripcords in contracts, expiring deals, cuts, etc, I disagree that locking up AA long term is going to somehow cripple this team going forward and strip them of their depth. They are in pretty good shape going forward and still should be able to retain guys while still maintaining flexibility

If the salary cap grows by 20-30 mil then I agree. I'm not counting chickens before they hatch. Can't operate under the unknown. Lynch and Co. may know it's for certain though. It'd behoove them to use it if they know for sure.

That's very fair and I respect that you didn't write your article under that assumption. Interested to see how this all progresses

The salary cap will grow by even more then that according to various sources. So locking up armstead won't be a problem. If the niners want him which they do then they will sign him. We are in good cap
Shape according to Jason Hurley.

Originally posted by rto66:

Originally posted by DaBum:

Originally posted by rto66:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by rto66:

people said the same thing about armstead last year and clowney the year before.... but whatever apparently ford sucks and he should be released. once that happens ford becomes a hall of famer to everybody

Ford is actually one of those players who should be restructured down to the real role he plays. A part time nickel ER.

And look at the article on Buckner. You know he's a priority over AA. And if he already turned down $60M GTD, yikes.

yikes with what. armstead and buckner are friends. they will make sure both get paid. armstead thrives in this scheme and he doesnt want to leave. also jason hurley said we could reisgn both armstead and buckner and others if we restructure some contracts which we will for sure do. but nope everybodys negative and probably expect us to win 8 games next year. it is what it is with this whining fanbase

It is possible to afford AA and restructure. I explained all that a few weeks ago in an article. Question is, does it set them up for failure everywhere else?

They'd have more than $50 million a year tied to the four starters on the DL. That's 25+% of the salary cap going to 7.5% of your roster. When you add in other expensive players like Jimmy and Kittle after extension, you are looking at have $115 mil to sign 47 other guys. That's not even 2.5 mil per player.

So pay reserves nothing right? 49ers would have the worst depth in the league then and depth is massively important.

Even if the 49ers only average $1.5 mil per backup (not even 600k over minimum) that still leaves just $71.5 million for the remaining 18 starters (K, P included).

That's less than $4 mil per starter. You're not finding/keeping starters at that price. Most of the starters already cost more than that.

Basically, the 49ers could possibly afford everyone this year. Next year is a different story though. Paraag magic essentially back loads deals when the 49ers can get out as guaranteed is already paid. Ford is more expensive, DeFo is bound to be, AA is bound to be, Bosa goes up approximately 1.5 mil per year, Jimmy goes up ... It's not sustainable.

Sure the 49ers could cut Ford year and gain nearly $13 mil for the cap. That's not going to plug the holes that are bound to emerge and that will only really take care of the riding cap hits of other players.

I wish the 49ers could pay AA but it will destroy the rest of the team to do so. He's a luxury with the other DL the team has. It's as simple as that.

jason hurleys articles said otherwise but whatever. apparently the niners are screwed the next 5 seasons even though were not. but ok 8-8 next season

I figure this team comes back pretty much intact in 2020. Maybe they lose Ward and Sanders. They might cut Coleman. They will likely cut Goodwin and McKinnon. Assuming these cuts and Nzeocha is cut, the cap goes from $13 million to $26.5 million. Restructuring Jimmy bumps the cap to $44 million.

That's enough to resign Armstead ($16 per) and do a new deal for Kittle ($15 per) and sign our draft picks and maybe add a FA (or resign Ward).

The team might start to look different in 2021.

Ford is basically a two year contract. They can get out of it pretty cheap after 2020. They cut him or restructure. If cut, they save $11.2 million.

Sherman is in the final year of his deal. I don't see them keeping him at $13-15 million at age 33. So figure he is gone as well in 2020 (or he takes a pay cut, which is unlikely). If gone, they save $12 million.

Solomon Thomas is $8.5 million this year against the cap. He's not coming back (for that at least).

Tomlinson can be cut after 2020, saving $5.5 million.

Staley is likely playing his last year in 2020. Cutting him (retiring) saves $12 million in 2021.

So, basically with these five cuts you're looking at $50 million coming to us in 2021, not counting the projected spike in cap per team with the new CBA. New deals for Buckner, Warner and Tartt likely.

Buckner is already counting $14.5 million against the cap. A "huge" raise to $18 million a year is basically a $3.5 million bump from his current cap number.

Sure we gotta replace Sherm and Staley and Ford. But they have the next two drafts. They have young guys on the roster they like. The turnover is just part of football. But they can keep Jimmy, Deebo, Kittle, Buck, Bosa, McGlinchey, Armstead, Alexander, Warner, Tartt, Richburg, Juice, Hurd beyond 2021 easily. If they want to.

Originally posted by midrdan:

Originally posted by rto66:

Originally posted by DaBum:

Originally posted by rto66:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by rto66:

people said the same thing about armstead last year and clowney the year before.... but whatever apparently ford sucks and he should be released. once that happens ford becomes a hall of famer to everybody

Ford is actually one of those players who should be restructured down to the real role he plays. A part time nickel ER.

And look at the article on Buckner. You know he's a priority over AA. And if he already turned down $60M GTD, yikes.

yikes with what. armstead and buckner are friends. they will make sure both get paid. armstead thrives in this scheme and he doesnt want to leave. also jason hurley said we could reisgn both armstead and buckner and others if we restructure some contracts which we will for sure do. but nope everybodys negative and probably expect us to win 8 games next year. it is what it is with this whining fanbase

It is possible to afford AA and restructure. I explained all that a few weeks ago in an article. Question is, does it set them up for failure everywhere else?

They'd have more than $50 million a year tied to the four starters on the DL. That's 25+% of the salary cap going to 7.5% of your roster. When you add in other expensive players like Jimmy and Kittle after extension, you are looking at have $115 mil to sign 47 other guys. That's not even 2.5 mil per player.

So pay reserves nothing right? 49ers would have the worst depth in the league then and depth is massively important.

Even if the 49ers only average $1.5 mil per backup (not even 600k over minimum) that still leaves just $71.5 million for the remaining 18 starters (K, P included).

That's less than $4 mil per starter. You're not finding/keeping starters at that price. Most of the starters already cost more than that.

Basically, the 49ers could possibly afford everyone this year. Next year is a different story though. Paraag magic essentially back loads deals when the 49ers can get out as guaranteed is already paid. Ford is more expensive, DeFo is bound to be, AA is bound to be, Bosa goes up approximately 1.5 mil per year, Jimmy goes up ... It's not sustainable.

Sure the 49ers could cut Ford year and gain nearly $13 mil for the cap. That's not going to plug the holes that are bound to emerge and that will only really take care of the riding cap hits of other players.

I wish the 49ers could pay AA but it will destroy the rest of the team to do so. He's a luxury with the other DL the team has. It's as simple as that.

jason hurleys articles said otherwise but whatever. apparently the niners are screwed the next 5 seasons even though were not. but ok 8-8 next season

I figure this team comes back pretty much intact in 2020. Maybe they lose Ward and Sanders. They might cut Coleman. They will likely cut Goodwin and McKinnon. Assuming these cuts and Nzeocha is cut, the cap goes from $13 million to $26.5 million. Restructuring Jimmy bumps the cap to $44 million.

That's enough to resign Armstead ($16 per) and do a new deal for Kittle ($15 per) and sign our draft picks and maybe add a FA (or resign Ward).

The team might start to look different in 2021.

Ford is basically a two year contract. They can get out of it pretty cheap after 2020. They cut him or restructure. If cut, they save $11.2 million.

Sherman is in the final year of his deal. I don't see them keeping him at $13-15 million at age 33. So figure he is gone as well in 2020 (or he takes a pay cut, which is unlikely). If gone, they save $12 million.

Solomon Thomas is $8.5 million this year against the cap. He's not coming back (for that at least).

Tomlinson can be cut after 2020, saving $5.5 million.

Staley is likely playing his last year in 2020. Cutting him (retiring) saves $12 million in 2021.

So, basically with these five cuts you're looking at $50 million coming to us in 2021, not counting the projected spike in cap per team with the new CBA. New deals for Buckner, Warner and Tartt likely.

Buckner is already counting $14.5 million against the cap. A "huge" raise to $18 million a year is basically a $3.5 million bump from his current cap number.

Sure we gotta replace Sherm and Staley and Ford. But they have the next two drafts. They have young guys on the roster they like. The turnover is just part of football. But they can keep Jimmy, Deebo, Kittle, Buck, Bosa, McGlinchey, Armstead, Alexander, Warner, Tartt, Richburg, Juice, Hurd beyond 2021 easily. If they want to.

According to Jason Hurley if Sherman juice and ford were offered extensions or restructured their contract we could save even more cap space. I would say we probably lose ward and sanders (unless he takes a huge team friendly deal which is possible).