Jacksonville Jaguar Arik Armstead-DT Thread

Originally posted by Crash49:

as I understand it, if you tag him and nobody wants to trade, you're stuck with that bill

You can rescind your tag (IIRC has to be before July). But that makes him an UFA at that point and at most you can still net a 3rd round comp pick.

Originally posted by LasVegasWally:

Solid article on AA - tag and trade,

https://www.ninersnation.com/2020/3/6/21166984/why-tagging-and-trading-arik-armstead-makes-sense-for-the-49ers

Thoughts??

Not a cap guy but I've read the problem with that scenario is AA is on the books until he's traded so if we can't reach a deal quickly with another squad he'll cost us other guys we want. AA has alot of control where he lands too so trade wise I doubt we get full value. Dumping him to ClV sounds nice until he says nah.

Originally posted by evil:

Originally posted by Crash49:
as I understand it, if you tag him and nobody wants to trade, you're stuck with that bill

You can rescind your tag (IIRC has to be before July). But that makes him an UFA at that point and at most you can still net a 3rd round comp pick.

That's *IF* he doesn't sign it first. Which I'm sure he will.

Originally posted by TheGore49er:

Originally posted by Reality:

Originally posted by FredFlintstone:

Originally posted by BriRichardson:

10 sacks on a contract year and 9 the previous 4 combined.....no teams will be rushing out to sign Armstead.

who the hell are you??

Barney?

Check out the Clowney thread in nfl talk, he thinks Clowney is a top 3 DL in the league and would take him over anyone on our DL. [/b]Seahawks fan most likely[b] or a PBM.

Yep, definitely. Wolf in sheeps clothing. They usually start off pretty mellow but eventually show their true colors. BriRichardson has hit the ground running lol

A week ago the rumors were that a long-term deal was in the works. Silence since. Less than 24 hours for the franchise deadline. My guess at this point is that Lynch won't use the tag. We get an early supplemental pick next year.

he gone.

Tag and trade

People don't get it, we can't simply tag and trade him to just anyone, he gets to choose the team, we don't have to agree to the team, but then we have 1. a payer costing $18M, and 2. an unhappy player. I hate the idea of tag and trading a player, just pay AA, he needs to be apart of the this team long term.

Originally posted by hummbabybear:
A week ago the rumors were that a long-term deal was in the works. Silence since. Less than 24 hours for the franchise deadline. My guess at this point is that Lynch won't use the tag. We get an early supplemental pick next year.

Highest we would get would be a 2021 3rd rd comp pick, but it needs to be a certain amount per year, like in the $18M a yr for a 3rd rd comp pick.

Right now I'm just hoping for any kind of tag. 3 more days until the deadline.

The Cap is almost certainly going to go up more than the usual 10 or so million within the next year or two. Also players like Sherman and Staley and Ford are going to be off the books in a year or two so might as well sign our good players instead of letting them walk. We can push contracts down the line by restructuring, but the future rise in salary cap as well as great players with high salaries like I mentioned MoveOn or retire is going to create room for the people we signed. Everyone thinks we can't afford all of our players but we really can with this strategy

Originally posted by evil:

Originally posted by Crash49:

as I understand it, if you tag him and nobody wants to trade, you're stuck with that bill

You can rescind your tag (IIRC has to be before July). But that makes him an UFA at that point and at most you can still net a 3rd round comp pick.

Not if he signs it. It's fully guaranteed at that point.

Originally posted by elguapo:

The Cap is almost certainly going to go up more than the usual 10 or so million within the next year or two. Also players like Sherman and Staley and Ford are going to be off the books in a year or two so might as well sign our good players instead of letting them walk. We can push contracts down the line by restructuring, but the future rise in salary cap as well as great players with high salaries like I mentioned MoveOn or retire is going to create room for the people we signed. Everyone thinks we can't afford all of our players but we really can with this strategy

100%. An expected $40M more in 2021. And like you said, we'll know better about the futures of Ford, Staley, Richburg, Sherman, etc. after this season.

We're in great shape in 2021 either way.

There's really no excuses at this point. Like Eric Davis said, "The cap is just a built-in excuse not to sign a player. They're just not that in to you."

Originally posted by NCommand:
100%. An expected $40M more in 2021. And like you said, we'll know better about the futures of Ford, Staley, Richburg, Sherman, etc. after this season.

We're in great shape in 2021 either way.

There's really no excuses at this point. Like Eric Davis said, "The cap is just a built-in excuse not to sign a player. They're just not that in to you."

It's only expected to go up $40M if the new CBA goes through. They could very well have a lockout next yr just the same.

While the cap can be moved around no doubt....you can't sign every pro-bowler lol. Once you're resetting the market with a bunch of players (ex the Rams) that DOES limit what you can do end of the day. You keep restructuring everyone you will have to pay up at some pt (even if it's for a yr or so).

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

100%. An expected $40M more in 2021. And like you said, we'll know better about the futures of Ford, Staley, Richburg, Sherman, etc. after this season.

We're in great shape in 2021 either way.

There's really no excuses at this point. Like Eric Davis said, "The cap is just a built-in excuse not to sign a player. They're just not that in to you."

It's only expected to go up $40M if the new CBA goes through. They could very well have a lockout next yr just the same.

While the cap can be moved around no doubt....you can't sign every pro-bowler lol. Once you're resetting the market with a bunch of players (ex the Rams) that DOES limit what you can do end of the day. You keep restructuring everyone you will have to pay up at some pt (even if it's for a yr or so).

I mean, we're a championship deep roster, a top team with the most double digit player contracts and we could conceivably not lose anyone. And that's in a cap era where every team loses at least one important player every year. When the Cowboys, a team in the red, sign Dak, it's solidified.

But to your other point, FO's are certainly waiting to see what happens with the CBA. A slew of signings will go down 1 second after it goes through. If not, not sure.