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Yup, there is nothing more exciting than seeing Dee whiz around the LT, and chaos plus that leaves Buck, Nick and Arik to join in. No question with Dee in there, we are the #1 DL or front 7 in the league. Operative words are "with Dee in there"...and 226 snaps, or approx 1/4 of the plays, he does all that. But he tried hard to be ready for the SB and just couldn't do it. Therein lies the problem. So secure Arik giving us the golden 3 some. But if we keep Dee, he HAS TO have a backup/starter to replace him, and when we get those 226 snaps we are unbeatable. Unfortunately, that just isn't enough to get us thru a season.. talks about letting Arik go and keeping Dee? Just no way that makes any sense.

Eight of AA's ten sacs came with Dee on the field 25% of the time. The other 75% of the snaps, AA got Two Sacks. I don't want to say "what good is he?", but it ain't $19m in our situation.


According to Daniel Jeremiah, we just restructured Ariks contract to make it count only $12 mill this yr instead of 14 mil. Jeremiah also thinks we won't be able to keep Arik. I think he is dead wrong. If we got an offer on Dee, I would consider it carefully. 226 snaps just isnt enough to get us a SB win. Had he been in more than just some of first half, we win the game (IMO). But here we have to keep the guy who was on the field a lot this yr, and played lites out.

We do, however, need another Dee, but a healthy one. And it is true, each one of these guys makes the others look and play better. When Dee was in we had best DL in league. Unfortunately it just wasn't often enough.

Let Dee go and sign Aldon Smith. Give Kyle a chance to work on his personal rehabilitation skills. Imagine if Aldon is sane these days, paired up with Bosa.
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Originally posted by RTFirefly:
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Eight of AA's ten sacs came with Dee on the field 25% of the time. The other 75% of the snaps, AA got Two Sacks. I don't want to say "what good is he?", but it ain't $19m in our situation.


According to Daniel Jeremiah, we just restructured Ariks contract to make it count only $12 mill this yr instead of 14 mil. Jeremiah also thinks we won't be able to keep Arik. I think he is dead wrong. If we got an offer on Dee, I would consider it carefully. 226 snaps just isnt enough to get us a SB win. Had he been in more than just some of first half, we win the game (IMO). But here we have to keep the guy who was on the field a lot this yr, and played lites out.

We do, however, need another Dee, but a healthy one. And it is true, each one of these guys makes the others look and play better. When Dee was in we had best DL in league. Unfortunately it just wasn't often enough.

Let Dee go and sign Aldon Smith. Give Kyle a chance to work on his personal rehabilitation skills. Imagine if Aldon is sane these days, paired up with Bosa.

How old is Aldon these days?
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How old is Aldon these days?

Turns 31 a couple weeks into the season.
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Originally posted by RTFirefly:
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How old is Aldon these days?

Turns 31 a couple weeks into the season.

Wow, he's just been wasting away.
Originally posted by mayo49:
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How old is Aldon these days?

Turns 31 a couple weeks into the season.

Wow, he's just been wasting away.

Hasn't taken any hits since 2015. Works for RBs.
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Originally posted by RTFirefly:
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Turns 31 a couple weeks into the season.

Wow, he's just been wasting away.

Hasn't taken any hits since 2015. Works for RBs.

Don't the Raiders still own his rights?
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Wow, he's just been wasting away.

Hasn't taken any hits since 2015. Works for RBs.

Don't the Raiders still own his rights?

Prolly, yeah, I didn't check. It shouldn't take much in trade to get him, but then we can't trade with the Vegans.
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Originally posted by RTFirefly:
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Hasn't taken any hits since 2015. Works for RBs.

Don't the Raiders still own his rights?

Prolly, yeah, I didn't check. It shouldn't take much in trade to get him, but then we can't trade with the Vegans.

I think they might have released him after his last arrest, a while back ago.
Originally posted by mayo49:
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Don't the Raiders still own his rights?

Prolly, yeah, I didn't check. It shouldn't take much in trade to get him, but then we can't trade with the Vegans.

I think they might have released him after his last arrest, a while back ago.

March of '18 (I looked it up this time lol). So we're good to go.
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Eight of AA's ten sacs came with Dee on the field 25% of the time. The other 75% of the snaps, AA got Two Sacks. I don't want to say "what good is he?", but it ain't $19m in our situation.


According to Daniel Jeremiah, we just restructured Ariks contract to make it count only $12 mill this yr instead of 14 mil. Jeremiah also thinks we won't be able to keep Arik. I think he is dead wrong. If we got an offer on Dee, I would consider it carefully. 226 snaps just isnt enough to get us a SB win. Had he been in more than just some of first half, we win the game (IMO). But here we have to keep the guy who was on the field a lot this yr, and played lites out.

We do, however, need another Dee, but a healthy one. And it is true, each one of these guys makes the others look and play better. When Dee was in we had best DL in league. Unfortunately it just wasn't often enough.

paso, where did you get this info about Daniel Jeremiah and Arik restructuring his contract?

He meant Buckner I think
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Originally posted by elguapo:
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According to Daniel Jeremiah, we just restructured Ariks contract to make it count only $12 mill this yr instead of 14 mil. Jeremiah also thinks we won't be able to keep Arik. I think he is dead wrong. If we got an offer on Dee, I would consider it carefully. 226 snaps just isnt enough to get us a SB win. Had he been in more than just some of first half, we win the game (IMO). But here we have to keep the guy who was on the field a lot this yr, and played lites out.

We do, however, need another Dee, but a healthy one. And it is true, each one of these guys makes the others look and play better. When Dee was in we had best DL in league. Unfortunately it just wasn't often enough.

paso, where did you get this info about Daniel Jeremiah and Arik restructuring his contract?

He meant Buckner I think

I was going to say.
Originally posted by pasodoc9er:
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Yup, there is nothing more exciting than seeing Dee whiz around the LT, and chaos plus that leaves Buck, Nick and Arik to join in. No question with Dee in there, we are the #1 DL or front 7 in the league. Operative words are "with Dee in there"...and 226 snaps, or approx 1/4 of the plays, he does all that. But he tried hard to be ready for the SB and just couldn't do it. Therein lies the problem. So secure Arik giving us the golden 3 some. But if we keep Dee, he HAS TO have a backup/starter to replace him, and when we get those 226 snaps we are unbeatable. Unfortunately, that just isn't enough to get us thru a season.. talks about letting Arik go and keeping Dee? Just no way that makes any sense.

Eight of AA's ten sacs came with Dee on the field 25% of the time. The other 75% of the snaps, AA got Two Sacks. I don't want to say "what good is he?", but it ain't $19m in our situation.


According to Daniel Jeremiah, we just restructured Ariks contract to make it count only $12 mill this yr instead of 14 mil. Jeremiah also thinks we won't be able to keep Arik. I think he is dead wrong. If we got an offer on Dee, I would consider it carefully. 226 snaps just isnt enough to get us a SB win. Had he been in more than just some of first half, we win the game (IMO). But here we have to keep the guy who was on the field a lot this yr, and played lites out.

We do, however, need another Dee, but a healthy one. And it is true, each one of these guys makes the others look and play better. When Dee was in we had best DL in league. Unfortunately it just wasn't often enough.

If that were true that we restructured AA's contract that would be significant, as in all probability, that would be that, and we'd keep him under the new contract. I don't think it is true. Buckner's 5th year option was originally planned to be under the DE scale instead of the DT scale. Who knows why, but the correction drops his 5th year from $14.4m to $12.4m, so even his contract has not really been restructured, yet, although it has been reported they are working on a long term contract with him.

I agree we should draft or acquire another DE with good pass rushing skills. Not sure you couldn't meet AA's production of 2.2 sacks per year his first four years, and 2.0 sacks last year without Dee. Young, healthy, fast and cheap sounds good to me to go with our superstars on the defensive line.

One other thing that I will note. It is just my opinion, but it sure looked to me like AA was playing for sacks instead of honoring his containment responsibilities all through his contract year, and especially in the 4th quarter of the. SB. Playing for stats and a contract at the expense of his team should never be tolerated by Kyle and John. We don't know what they think on this subject, and they certainly won't hint at it and destroy AA's trade value, or even be known as a team that ruins players reputations and careers. I'm just going to wait and see if he's on the team next year.
[ Edited by BOI49er on Mar 14, 2020 at 10:25 AM ]
Originally posted by mayo49:
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paso, where did you get this info about Daniel Jeremiah and Arik restructuring his contract?

He meant Buckner I think

I was going to say.

I don't think you can restructure a contract that doesn't exist. AA is an unrestricted free agent so we have a choice to sign him, trade him or let him walk. The restructure was for Buckner and it saved us $2 million so we are now $15 mil under the cap. That puts us way down toward the bottom of the league.
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He meant Buckner I think

I was going to say.

I don't think you can restructure a contract that doesn't exist. AA is an unrestricted free agent so we have a choice to sign him, trade him or let him walk. The restructure was for Buckner and it saved us $2 million so we are now $15 mil under the cap. That puts us way down toward the bottom of the league.

I don' think you can trade someone that's not under contract. Even a franchise tag is a contract if he signs it, but then he's got us obligated to $19m, and my opinion is that's too much. If Lynch can find a way to trade him, I'd be delighted, but I don't know how he can do that. I think our choices are to sign him or let him walk.
[ Edited by BOI49er on Mar 14, 2020 at 10:37 AM ]
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Got until Monday to tag AA if they're going to go that route.
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