Jacksonville Jaguar Arik Armstead-DT Thread

I can almost guarantee that Lynch is talking to teams that are interested in AA, and probably seeing what they would give up in a trade for him, since we can just keep him with a franchise tag, thus not making AA available to those teams unless they trade for him.

Lynch then might tell Armsteads agent, here are "X" teams that we find their trade proposal acceptable, thus you can talk to them about a long term deal, and which ever team gives you the contract you want, then we will trade Armstead to them. The Chiefs did this last year with Ford and us. They tagged Ford, Ford didn't sign his franchise tag, the Chiefs and Niners worked out a trade that the Chiefs would accept, and negotiated with Fords agent to see if a long term deal could be struck PRIOR to trading for him. Once all things lined up, Ford was traded for the 2nd round pick in the 2020 draft, and Ford signed a long term deal with the Niners immediately after the trade was completed.

Originally posted by Bobdawg78:

I can almost guarantee that Lynch is talking to teams that are interested in AA, and probably seeing what they would give up in a trade for him, since we can just keep him with a franchise tag, thus not making AA available to those teams unless they trade for him.

Lynch then might tell Armsteads agent, here are "X" teams that we find their trade proposal acceptable, thus you can talk to them about a long term deal, and which ever team gives you the contract you want, then we will trade Armstead to them. The Chiefs did this last year with Ford and us. They tagged Ford, Ford didn't sign his franchise tag, the Chiefs and Niners worked out a trade that the Chiefs would accept, and negotiated with Fords agent to see if a long term deal could be struck PRIOR to trading for him. Once all things lined up, Ford was traded for the 2nd round pick in the 2020 draft, and Ford signed a long term deal with the Niners immediately after the trade was completed.

All fine and dandy, but first you need to clear enough cap space to franchise him, impeding your ability to do anything else. Then you need to find a trading partner that AA wants to play for, is willing to beat the $19m high bar, and additionally pay us compensation. And at the end of the day, you've got to be prepared to just go with the franchise, because AA can sign it any second and refuse any team or contract. In other words, AA has full control. Not Lynch in that scenario.

Originally posted by BOI49er:

Originally posted by Bobdawg78:
I can almost guarantee that Lynch is talking to teams that are interested in AA, and probably seeing what they would give up in a trade for him, since we can just keep him with a franchise tag, thus not making AA available to those teams unless they trade for him.

Lynch then might tell Armsteads agent, here are "X" teams that we find their trade proposal acceptable, thus you can talk to them about a long term deal, and which ever team gives you the contract you want, then we will trade Armstead to them. The Chiefs did this last year with Ford and us. They tagged Ford, Ford didn't sign his franchise tag, the Chiefs and Niners worked out a trade that the Chiefs would accept, and negotiated with Fords agent to see if a long term deal could be struck PRIOR to trading for him. Once all things lined up, Ford was traded for the 2nd round pick in the 2020 draft, and Ford signed a long term deal with the Niners immediately after the trade was completed.

All fine and dandy, but first you need to clear enough cap space to franchise him, impeding your ability to do anything else. Then you need to find a trading partner that AA wants to play for, is willing to beat the $19m high bar, and additionally pay us compensation. And at the end of the day, you've got to be prepared to just go with the franchise, because AA can sign it any second and refuse any team or contract. In other words, AA has full control. Not Lynch in that scenario.

Yeah, I think there is going to be too many moving parts in an AA trade.

Getting 19 million to use the tag is easy, cut Coleman, and either cut/restructure McKinnon. As far as the 19 million, that is NOT A STARTING point in a long term deal. AA is looking for the most guaranteed money he can get. He will likely sign a long term deal in the 12-15 million a year range, with half his contract pretty much being guaranteed.

So if we tag AA, he will sign something like a 5 year 60-70 million dollar deal with who ever we trade him to, and have 30-40 million of that deal guaranteed. He is not going to risk his HUGE SEASON and sign the 1 year 19 million dollar Franchise tag, and risk having an average season, and not being able to get that extra 40-50 million he could get if he just signs a long term deal either with us, or to who we end up trading him to.

Originally posted by BOI49er:
I don' think you can trade someone that's not under contract. Even a franchise tag is a contract if he signs it, but then he's got us obligated to $19m, and my opinion is that's too much. If Lynch can find a way to trade him, I'd be delighted, but I don't know how he can do that. I think our choices are to sign him or let him walk.

You're right. They would have to sign him and then trade him. That's what I meant when I said they could trade him. I'm not sure how the NFL rules are but sign and trades are done all the time in the NBA. It's usually more attractive for a team to make a trade for a player that they know they will have under control for at least 2 years.

Originally posted by mayo49:

Originally posted by BOI49er:

Originally posted by Bobdawg78:

I can almost guarantee that Lynch is talking to teams that are interested in AA, and probably seeing what they would give up in a trade for him, since we can just keep him with a franchise tag, thus not making AA available to those teams unless they trade for him.

Lynch then might tell Armsteads agent, here are "X" teams that we find their trade proposal acceptable, thus you can talk to them about a long term deal, and which ever team gives you the contract you want, then we will trade Armstead to them. The Chiefs did this last year with Ford and us. They tagged Ford, Ford didn't sign his franchise tag, the Chiefs and Niners worked out a trade that the Chiefs would accept, and negotiated with Fords agent to see if a long term deal could be struck PRIOR to trading for him. Once all things lined up, Ford was traded for the 2nd round pick in the 2020 draft, and Ford signed a long term deal with the Niners immediately after the trade was completed.

All fine and dandy, but first you need to clear enough cap space to franchise him, impeding your ability to do anything else. Then you need to find a trading partner that AA wants to play for, is willing to beat the $19m high bar, and additionally pay us compensation. And at the end of the day, you've got to be prepared to just go with the franchise, because AA can sign it any second and refuse any team or contract. In other words, AA has full control. Not Lynch in that scenario.

Yeah, I think there is going to be too many moving parts in an AA trade.

He'll be here next season. I doubt we trade away a key part of our Defense.

Originally posted by Bobdawg78:

Getting 19 million to use the tag is easy, cut Coleman, and either cut/restructure McKinnon. As far as the 19 million, that is NOT A STARTING point in a long term deal. AA is looking for the most guaranteed money he can get. He will likely sign a long term deal in the 12-15 million a year range, with half his contract pretty much being guaranteed.

So if we tag AA, he will sign something like a 5 year 60-70 million dollar deal with who ever we trade him to, and have 30-40 million of that deal guaranteed. He is not going to risk his HUGE SEASON and sign the 1 year 19 million dollar Franchise tag, and risk having an average season, and not being able to get that extra 40-50 million he could get if he just signs a long term deal either with us, or to who we end up trading him to.

Ok, so you have him worth 12 to $14m a year, but you are going to give him a ticket to punch in $19m. And if he doesn't have the confidence to earn a long term deal with more than one good year out of five, why do you?

And as far as cap space, we have Real stars that produce Every year that need long term deals, plus holes to fill.

He'll sign that franchise tag in a nano second, and go from there.

Hearing here in Miami that they're going to go after AA. They'd trade 26 for AA and our 31

And we'd net 5 spots for a lost franchise tag year?

Originally posted by random49er:

And we'd net 5 spots for a lost franchise tag year?

I'd tell them they need to throw in 56 as well. We could trade back down from 26 and actually have some capital.

Originally posted by 9NERNATE:

Hearing here in Miami that they're going to go after AA. They'd trade 26 for AA and our 31

I hope that's just wishful thinking in Miami.

Originally posted by 9NERNATE:

Hearing here in Miami that they're going to go after AA. They'd trade 26 for AA and our 31

So we get to move up 5 spots and gain no extra picks...tell them to kick rocks on that crap trade.

Originally posted by random49er:

And we'd net 5 spots for a lost franchise tag year?

Yeah hate that

Originally posted by 9NERNATE:

Hearing here in Miami that they're going to go after AA. They'd trade 26 for AA and our 31

That deal makes zero sense unless Lynch thinks the 2 sides are too far apart on a LTD and he's just trying to grab whatever he can. Losing him to move up a few spots isn't a good trade.

Honestly I'd rather him just play on the tag and then lose him next year while gaining a 3rd round comp. We're supposed to be competing for a title this upcoming season and AA playing for us helps get us closer to that goal.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 9NERNATE:

Hearing here in Miami that they're going to go after AA. They'd trade 26 for AA and our 31

So we get to move up 5 spots and gain no extra picks...tell them to kick rocks on that crap trade.

Well, he's a free agent 0900 tomorrow.