Jacksonville Jaguar Arik Armstead-DT Thread

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by BOI49er:
Yep, they need to sign him, trade him, or tag him today, or see him walk. Like I said, jmo, but I don't think Lynch puts us at AA's mercy to over pay him on the tag.

So then he just walks for nothing in 2020? I find that a bigger loss than at worst having to pay a top end DL a high salary for a yr on a SB team

Chance for a fairly high comp pick. Still not worth it I'm sure, but it is not nothing.

Remember, 49ers probably get a 2021 3rd round comp pick if Armstead walks. 49ers could tag him and later rescinded the tag if a trade does not work out.

AA might agree to a trade since he's guaranteed the franchise amount plus a team with more cap space can pay him more in the future. Tag would eliminate his ability to negotiate with other teams but would also hamper the 49ers ability to resign other players.

Miami has a ton of picks and would be bringing in a guy who is hitting his prime and had a great year. A veteran guy when they will have too many rookies.

Definitely you need AA to be on board with tag-and-trade but both teams and AA benefit.

Originally posted by hummbabybear:

Remember, 49ers probably get a 2021 3rd round comp pick if Armstead walks. 49ers could tag him and later rescinded the tag if a trade does not work out.

AA might agree to a trade since he's guaranteed the franchise amount plus a team with more cap space can pay him more in the future. Tag would eliminate his ability to negotiate with other teams but would also hamper the 49ers ability to resign other players.

Miami has a ton of picks and would be bringing in a guy who is hitting his prime and had a great year. A veteran guy when they will have too many rookies.

Definitely you need AA to be on board with tag-and-trade but both teams and AA benefit.

You can only rescind the tag if it's not signed. If I'm AA, I sign that tag in a nano second and lock in a greatly overpaid year no matter what, while still able to sign a better Ltd with SF or anybody else if traded until July 15.

Originally posted by BOI49er:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by BOI49er:

Yep, they need to sign him, trade him, or tag him today, or see him walk. Like I said, jmo, but I don't think Lynch puts us at AA's mercy to over pay him on the tag.

So then he just walks for nothing in 2020? I find that a bigger loss than at worst having to pay a top end DL a high salary for a yr on a SB team

Or don't tell Miami to kick rocks.

Or talk to 31 other teams

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by BOI49er:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by BOI49er:

Yep, they need to sign him, trade him, or tag him today, or see him walk. Like I said, jmo, but I don't think Lynch puts us at AA's mercy to over pay him on the tag.

So then he just walks for nothing in 2020? I find that a bigger loss than at worst having to pay a top end DL a high salary for a yr on a SB team

Or don't tell Miami to kick rocks.

Or talk to 31 other teams

Who said that?

Originally posted by BOI49er:

Who said that?

Who said they can't?

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by jcs:
He's also been an all pro and made 5 probowls and had 31.5 sacks over the last 3 seasons compared to AAs 5 year career of 19

Sorry he's 34 and the ravens have to pay his full salary this yr. he's coming off his worst season since 2015...one is coming to the end and the other is just starting to get into his prime.

AA is also as it stands a one year wonder until he proves other wise. His value is overinflated here IMO.

Originally posted by jcs:

AA is also as it stands a one year wonder until he proves other wise. His value is overinflated here IMO.

OR he's finally developed into a good player...dude basically missed 2016-2017 with injuries and was regarded as raw coming out of college.

If I'm the GM I'm not in the business of spending money/time to develop a player, watch him finally develop into what he should be, then just let him walk heading into his prime.

On and Campbell just signed an extension with the Ravens so you got him on the books until his 36. No thanks.

Originally posted by BOI49er:

Well, another poster suggested he could get a 5 year deal at $60-70m, or $12-14m per, and I couldn't quibble with that, so he'd be overpaid $5-7m this year. That's a lot, and I think that would hurt Lynch's plans more than he'd accept.

Originally posted by elguapo:

Originally posted by mayo49:

Originally posted by pasodoc9er:

Originally posted by BOI49er:

Originally posted by pasodoc9er:

Originally posted by tjd808185:

Originally posted by pasodoc9er:

Not quite sure how folks want to keep Dee and trade Arik. Dee is the one who couldn't get on the field..or stay on it. Arik played virtually most of every game. He also plays both inside and out, and plays them well. I'd like to keep Dee, but if so , we need to get yet another starter/backup at Rt DE, and hope we get some meaningful playing time out of Dee. 226 snaps is about a quarter of the total plays. And that just doesn't cut it.

True, when healthy , Dee is hell on wheels coming around the LT. I know he worked hard to get ready for SB, but he played minimally and we finished the game in 2nd half mostly with Solly and Zettle out there, not Dee. So let's get this straight. We got a healthy , virtual all pro in Arik , who plays both DE and DT. Not many of those out there. Dee is the one who is the problem with both knees and hammy. Keeping Dee and trading Arik is so goofy as to not even be considered .

If we do keep Dee, it will then require yet another player to back him up. Arik, OTOH, is locked, loaded , and ready to go.

Because when Dee is on the field we're soooooo much better. He compliments Bosa/ Buckner to perfection. Having that speed rusher to go with the interior pressure is lethal. Just look at how many of AA/ Bosa's sacks came when Dee was on the field.

Very tough one because Dee is aging and injury prone. I want AA back badly but don't discount what Ford brings to the table. Even on the field 25% of the time he was a force for us.

Yup, there is nothing more exciting than seeing Dee whiz around the LT, and chaos plus that leaves Buck, Nick and Arik to join in. No question with Dee in there, we are the #1 DL or front 7 in the league. Operative words are "with Dee in there"...and 226 snaps, or approx 1/4 of the plays, he does all that. But he tried hard to be ready for the SB and just couldn't do it. Therein lies the problem. So secure Arik giving us the golden 3 some. But if we keep Dee, he HAS TO have a backup/starter to replace him, and when we get those 226 snaps we are unbeatable. Unfortunately, that just isn't enough to get us thru a season.. talks about letting Arik go and keeping Dee? Just no way that makes any sense.

Eight of AA's ten sacs came with Dee on the field 25% of the time. The other 75% of the snaps, AA got Two Sacks. I don't want to say "what good is he?", but it ain't $19m in our situation.

According to Daniel Jeremiah, we just restructured Ariks contract to make it count only $12 mill this yr instead of 14 mil. Jeremiah also thinks we won't be able to keep Arik. I think he is dead wrong. If we got an offer on Dee, I would consider it carefully. 226 snaps just isnt enough to get us a SB win. Had he been in more than just some of first half, we win the game (IMO). But here we have to keep the guy who was on the field a lot this yr, and played lites out.

We do, however, need another Dee, but a healthy one. And it is true, each one of these guys makes the others look and play better. When Dee was in we had best DL in league. Unfortunately it just wasn't often enough.

paso, where did you get this info about Daniel Jeremiah and Arik restructuring his contract?

He meant Buckner I think

My mistake...i did mean Buck.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by BOI49er:

Who said that?

Who said they can't?

I'm all for it.

OT: But if a deal starting averaging 12-14 million a year is what it is going to take to lock AA up long term, would it make sense to trade Sherman for like a 3rd round pick in the 2020 draft, and free up the money to sign AA long term? Sherman is in decline, and only signed for one more season, locking up a much younger Armstead might make sense, and we can draft CB in the 1st round to compete with Witherspoon+Moseley on the outside.

Originally posted by Bobdawg78:

OT: But if a deal starting averaging 12-14 million a year is what it is going to take to lock AA up long term, would it make sense to trade Sherman for like a 3rd round pick in the 2020 draft, and free up the money to sign AA long term? Sherman is in decline, and only signed for one more season, locking up a much younger Armstead might make sense, and we can draft CB in the 1st round to compete with Witherspoon+Moseley on the outside.

No, with carryover the team has about $19MM in cap space now. A ton of easy moves will free up a lot more space. Pay cut for McKinnon (or cut), extensions to Buckner, Juice with structures to lower 2020 cap number, trade/cut Goodwin etc. Plus the team isn't exactly stacked at corner so moving on from Sherman now makes no sense

What are we doing with AA? We need to do something soon to know what we can do when FA opens up.

Originally posted by 9NERNATE:

What are we doing with AA? We need to do something soon to know what we can do when FA opens up.

My guess; we want to pay him $60-70m/5yr=$12-14m/yr. He's heard the chatter we might franchise him for $19m+, so wants to get close to that every year, or even get that one year. The difference is $5-7m a year, which is absolutely out of the question for Lynch, even for one year. End result is he starts talking to other teams tomorrow in the legal tampering period to gage his value and will come back to us more humbled, or he'll sign elsewhere. It probably won't take long, because he knows if he won't take our deal, we'll soon make another deal and the money will be gone. We won't let AA keep us from doing what we want in free agency. Now, AA needs to knock on our door, and that $12-14m just became $10-12m.

A sign and trade would be lovely, but we'd have to have a partner to dance with. Interesting to see if he really gets to test the market.