Jacksonville Jaguar Arik Armstead-DT Thread

Originally posted by lamontb:

Originally posted by LifelongNiner:

Clearly I was wrong. I think the Dline will probably take a small step back. It should still be pretty damn good with Ford-AA-Jones-Bosa should still be pretty formidable. But think about what Shanahan can do with that 13th pick. There is a lot in play now. I'm not a fan of trading Buckner, but I'd expect a lot more holding on our Dline since referees aren't going to call it. Only way for us to improve is to have a more explosive offense. The offense in 2019 was very efficient- very few three and outs, moved the ball pretty well, and number 2 in scoring. But we need to add the knock out punch from the receiver position if we expect to stay ahead of the pack. I hope what we do in the draft is worth the sacrifice.

I hope you right with small step back. I don't think AA or DJ is ready to be double teamed every play and still make an impact.

Let's be honest paying a guy 21 million per season to take on double teams isn't ideal. Aaron Donald makes a much bigger impact than Buck did. Buckner was great but his contract demands would only grow playing next to the guys we have so it's smart to sell now. The move is unfortunate but if we nail the pick it will work out for both of us.

Pats didn't want to trade Chandler Jones but knew they couldn't pay him. It worked out for both teams. Pats won a couple of SBs. Cards got an elite pass rusher.

In no way I think he is as consistent as Buck, I hope I'm wrong

Got to take a DT at #31.

Originally posted by mayo49:

Got to take a DT at #31.

The odds that a rookie interior defensive linemen comes into the league and replicates Defo's production are not good. The reality is that most IDL don't become great pass rushers.


I have no clue how they're going to fill that void. Pray Dee Ford plays 16 games?

Originally posted by Heroism:

Originally posted by mayo49:
Got to take a DT at #31.

The odds that a rookie interior defensive linemen comes into the league and replicates Defo's production are not good. The reality is that most IDL don't become great pass rushers.

I have no clue how they're going to fill that void. Pray Dee Ford plays 16 games?

People might not want to hear it, but they make take another DL. Because of his versatility (AA). They could go DT or Rush end to spell Dee Ford. Depends on who is available. they stay pat or trade back. Derrick Brown if they stay pat wouldn't surprise me.

Still I would like to see the niners trade back and maybe get a lot of 2nd round picks. Think there is a lot of talent that will be available in the top end. Do the Bill Walsh thing in 1986, they got a lot picks by trading out and they had a lot of good players. They are in a position to do that.

The niners are in a good position, some team might surprise and want to move up to pick a QB if one slips or if there is a run on QBs. If the first day is any indication it is going to be a wild draft and offseason. Vikings and Texans traded their wrs. Will the cards get an OT or will they try to make a Larry, Hopkins and CD trio.

Originally posted by Heroism:

Originally posted by mayo49:
Got to take a DT at #31.

The odds that a rookie interior defensive linemen comes into the league and replicates Defo's production are not good. The reality is that most IDL don't become great pass rushers.

I have no clue how they're going to fill that void. Pray Dee Ford plays 16 games?

What if we take one at #13, would that make a difference?

Originally posted by susweel:

Originally posted by SteveYoung8:

Originally posted by Chez:

Originally posted by Fresh49:
Kept the wrong guy, this one year wonder better ball the f*×k out from here on smh. 🤬

back to pedestrian stats and injured half the season.

Exactly what I'm afraid of.

You know who never misses games? Buckner

You know who can't afford? Buckner. End of story

Originally posted by WildBill:
People might not want to hear it, but they make take another DL. Because of his versatility (AA). They could go DT or Rush end to spell Dee Ford. Depends on who is available. they stay pat or trade back. Derrick Brown if they stay pat wouldn't surprise me.

Still I would like to see the niners trade back and maybe get a lot of 2nd round picks. Think there is a lot of talent that will be available in the top end. Do the Bill Walsh thing in 1986, they got a lot picks by trading out and they had a lot of good players. They are in a position to do that.

The niners are in a good position, some team might surprise and want to move up to pick a QB if one slips or if there is a run on QBs. If the first day is any indication it is going to be a wild draft and offseason. Vikings and Texans traded their wrs. Will the cards get an OT or will they try to make a Larry, Hopkins and CD trio.

I'm with you 100% here. Personally torn on best move, take Brown or the other elite DT at 13 & a WR at 31/top of the 2nd with a trade down or grab an elite WR & look for a DT later & a more committee approach to replacing Buck? Personally I think trading back a bit from 13 and stacking picks, stockpiling young talent might be the best overall move.

Originally posted by Heroism:

Originally posted by mayo49:

Got to take a DT at #31.

The odds that a rookie interior defensive linemen comes into the league and replicates Defo's production are not good. The reality is that most IDL don't become great pass rushers.


I have no clue how they're going to fill that void. Pray Dee Ford plays 16 games?

Yeah, replacing 60 tackles shouldn't be too hard even if split between a rotation of a run defender and a passing down IDT.

But his 12 & 7.5 sacks and consistent pressures and how he can free up Bosa is going to be hard to replicate.

Originally posted by matt49er:

Originally posted by WildBill:
People might not want to hear it, but they make take another DL. Because of his versatility (AA). They could go DT or Rush end to spell Dee Ford. Depends on who is available. they stay pat or trade back. Derrick Brown if they stay pat wouldn't surprise me.

Still I would like to see the niners trade back and maybe get a lot of 2nd round picks. Think there is a lot of talent that will be available in the top end. Do the Bill Walsh thing in 1986, they got a lot picks by trading out and they had a lot of good players. They are in a position to do that.

The niners are in a good position, some team might surprise and want to move up to pick a QB if one slips or if there is a run on QBs. If the first day is any indication it is going to be a wild draft and offseason. Vikings and Texans traded their wrs. Will the cards get an OT or will they try to make a Larry, Hopkins and CD trio.

I'm with you 100% here. Personally torn on best move, take Brown or the other elite DT at 13 & a WR at 31/top of the 2nd with a trade down or grab an elite WR & look for a DT later & a more committee approach to replacing Buck? Personally I think trading back a bit from 13 and stacking picks, stockpiling young talent might be the best overall move.

I'd rather go quality over quantity with this draft. Maybe, trade down from #31, but at #13 we have to come away with a starter, either a DT to replace Buckner or a WR to replace Sanders.

Originally posted by mayo49:

Originally posted by matt49er:

Originally posted by WildBill:

People might not want to hear it, but they make take another DL. Because of his versatility (AA). They could go DT or Rush end to spell Dee Ford. Depends on who is available. they stay pat or trade back. Derrick Brown if they stay pat wouldn't surprise me.

Still I would like to see the niners trade back and maybe get a lot of 2nd round picks. Think there is a lot of talent that will be available in the top end. Do the Bill Walsh thing in 1986, they got a lot picks by trading out and they had a lot of good players. They are in a position to do that.

The niners are in a good position, some team might surprise and want to move up to pick a QB if one slips or if there is a run on QBs. If the first day is any indication it is going to be a wild draft and offseason. Vikings and Texans traded their wrs. Will the cards get an OT or will they try to make a Larry, Hopkins and CD trio.

I'm with you 100% here. Personally torn on best move, take Brown or the other elite DT at 13 & a WR at 31/top of the 2nd with a trade down or grab an elite WR & look for a DT later & a more committee approach to replacing Buck? Personally I think trading back a bit from 13 and stacking picks, stockpiling young talent might be the best overall move.

I'd rather go quality over quantity with this draft. Maybe, trade down from #31, but at #13 we have to come away with a starter, either a DT to replace Buckner or a WR to replace Sanders.

WR should be easy. My guess is Sanders tests the saturated FA market and comes back on a low end deal and at 13, we're in prime position to get 1 of the top 2 best WR's. Sanders can help acclimate him.

IDT's are much easier to find and we really need just a run defender for early downs at 3T. Solomon Thomas will most likely still be one of the pass rushers on passing downs at 3T.

Quality IDT veterans will be available on the cheap and Kocurek now has his work cut out for him.

Originally posted by susweel:

Originally posted by SteveYoung8:

Originally posted by Chez:

Originally posted by Fresh49:
Kept the wrong guy, this one year wonder better ball the f*×k out from here on smh. 🤬

back to pedestrian stats and injured half the season.

Exactly what I'm afraid of.

You know who never misses games? Buckner

Right. I always thought that keeping the entire DL intact was essential to the defense but I guess not. I'm concerned that AA will now relax and not try so hard since he cashed in after his contract year. They may have kept the wrong guy but now we'll have a better idea if AA simply benefited from Buckner and Bosa taking pressure off him or if he can actually generate similar production without Defo there.

Personally I hope we move down a little from 13, if who ever Lynch really likes isn't there, or if he thinks we can move down some and still get our guy. I am not that dead set on getting a WR early as some are on here, Shanahan proved just last year that he can get a good WR a little later with Deebo, and we still need to see what Pettis+Hurd+Taylor can do for us this year. Personally I am fine with bringing Bourne back, and rolling with what we have at WR, even if Sanders leaves.

Bourne took big steps forward last season, Deebo is looking like a solid receiver, and if Taylor is back, he is a good slot WR. Hurd as a gadget guy is nice, WR some plays, TE others, and basically a traditional RB on a few carries a game as well. Hurd kind of allows us to be lean and mean on carrying RB's/TE's/WR's.

I just keep thinking if Amrstrad is worth 17 just pay Buck 21.