Jacksonville Jaguar Arik Armstead-DT Thread

Originally posted by Oakland-Niner:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by LenCat:

"he hasn't proven that he can consistently bend the edge as a pass rusher"

"not the most impressive run defender"

"struggles when he plays too high, allowing offensive linemen to get under his pads. He's then unable to extend his arms and gain leverage; he'll struggle to disengage and lose sight of the ball-carrier"

"He has a very good first step but doesn't showcase the type of flexibility that one usually sees from elite pass rushers"






These are all quotes about Aldon before the 2011 draft

POTD right here. #perspective

Scout must have forgotten he was playing on a recently healed broken leg...

I loved the Aldon pick. He was a very good college player. Production, scheme versatility, positional versatility, measurables. He had it all.

I don't feel the same way about Armstead, and I don't think a comparison to Aldon is warranted. There are negatives written about every player, I get it.

To me, it often comes down to a few simple questions. Was he a great college player? Was he fairly consistent? Do his skills directly translate to the pro game?

I could say yes to all those questions for Aldon coming out. Can't say the same about Armstead. Just my opinion.

Originally posted by SofaKing:

Originally posted by Oakland-Niner:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by LenCat:
"he hasn't proven that he can consistently bend the edge as a pass rusher"

"not the most impressive run defender"

"struggles when he plays too high, allowing offensive linemen to get under his pads. He's then unable to extend his arms and gain leverage; he'll struggle to disengage and lose sight of the ball-carrier"

"He has a very good first step but doesn't showcase the type of flexibility that one usually sees from elite pass rushers"






These are all quotes about Aldon before the 2011 draft

POTD right here. #perspective

Scout must have forgotten he was playing on a recently healed broken leg...

I loved the Aldon pick. He was a very good college player. Production, scheme versatility, positional versatility, measurables. He had it all.

I don't feel the same way about Armstead, and I don't think a comparison to Aldon is warranted. There are negatives written about every player, I get it.

To me, it often comes down to a few simple questions. Was he a great college player? Was he fairly consistent? Do his skills directly translate to the pro game?

I could say yes to all those questions for Aldon coming out. Can't say the same about Armstead. Just my opinion.

I know where yer coming from, Sofa. The point is we REALLY won't know until he gets some playing time what we have in him. (4-8 games at least) It's fun to speculate but I'm not to ready shout "FML" or "Super Bowl here we come" after 1 pick. BRING ON SOME MORE!!

Baalke said that AA was a "rare 4 tech player". So as a 4 tech, lined up directly over OT, he isn't going to get many pressures in base downs. I have no idea how true that is because I haven't watched one snap of AA.

Originally posted by SofaKing:

Originally posted by jacklegniner:
Speaking Thursday, both 49ers GM Trent Baalke and coach Jim Tomsula called No. 17 overall pick Arik Armstead a "project."


They weren't kidding. Armstead is all projection after spending some of his college career tooling around with basketball, and then generating little in the way of quantifiable production on the football field. He's a mountainous 6-foot-7, 292 pounds, but underwhelmed at the Combine. Baalke will have to hope he's the smartest man in the room on this one.

No risk, no reward. At least that's what the thought was when drafting Armstead. He's obviously a project, to Baalke and Tomsula's own admission. Not exactly what you want in a 1st round pick, but he has rare physical tools. Could be a dynamite player, or a waste of a pick. It's definitely not a sure thing.

I appreciate all the optimists talking this guy up, but let's not pretend he's a sure thing. I believe this FO is one of the best, but they have and will make mistakes. I just hope this is not one of them. I'm gonna trust Baalke and Tomsula on this one, especially the latter. Tomsula is the d-line maestro.

I can learn to like the pick but I was disappointed when I heard the name. The trade helps a lot as well. Everything happened pretty quickly. I honestly was hoping Baalke had another trade coming after the first trade.

Hearing them say project is not what I want to hear, but there's no denying it. He had limited production. But our Dline is pretty deep and Arik has a little time to learn.

I have said this before, that I believe a good 3/4 D has great LB's. We already have Aldon and Lynch and hopefully Bo comes back strong. I would like more depth at the LB's and Arik can learn to stop the run and draw some double teams.

Originally posted by jacklegniner:

Originally posted by SofaKing:

Originally posted by jacklegniner:
Speaking Thursday, both 49ers GM Trent Baalke and coach Jim Tomsula called No. 17 overall pick Arik Armstead a "project."


They weren't kidding. Armstead is all projection after spending some of his college career tooling around with basketball, and then generating little in the way of quantifiable production on the football field. He's a mountainous 6-foot-7, 292 pounds, but underwhelmed at the Combine. Baalke will have to hope he's the smartest man in the room on this one.

No risk, no reward. At least that's what the thought was when drafting Armstead. He's obviously a project, to Baalke and Tomsula's own admission. Not exactly what you want in a 1st round pick, but he has rare physical tools. Could be a dynamite player, or a waste of a pick. It's definitely not a sure thing.

I appreciate all the optimists talking this guy up, but let's not pretend he's a sure thing. I believe this FO is one of the best, but they have and will make mistakes. I just hope this is not one of them. I'm gonna trust Baalke and Tomsula on this one, especially the latter. Tomsula is the d-line maestro.

I can learn to like the pick but I was disappointed when I heard the name. The trade helps a lot as well. Everything happened pretty quickly. I honestly was hoping Baalke had another trade coming after the first trade.

Hearing them say project is not what I want to hear, but there's no denying it. He had limited production. But our Dline is pretty deep and Arik has a little time to learn.

Maybe what the say in public is to try and throw other potential drafters off??? One would hope

Mike Mayock said some really nice things about him when the 9ers made the pick. Me thinks allz y'all is overreacting

Originally posted by LenCat:

I know where yer coming from, Sofa. The point is we REALLY won't know until he gets some playing time what we have in him. (4-8 games at least) It's fun to speculate but I'm not to ready shout "FML" or "Super Bowl here we come" after 1 pick. BRING ON SOME MORE!!

Agree with you there. Nobody should outright condemn the pick before he's even had a chance to play. Let's find out what he's got.

If anything, he ended up in a great spot. Its a great scheme fit, and the HC knows how to coach up a defensive lineman. SF is as good a spot as any for him to develop those raw skills.

Originally posted by DonnieDarko:
Mike Mayock said some really nice things about him when the 9ers made the pick. Me thinks allz y'all is overreacting

Methinks you are correct.

if we didn't draft him he would have been like a third rounder

Originally posted by Marvin49:

Originally posted by DonnieDarko:

Mike Mayock said some really nice things about him when the 9ers made the pick. Me thinks allz y'all is overreacting

Methinks you are correct.

A lot of people like it. It's just not sexy so fans flip out. lol

Pls thl408 or anybody out there, make me feel better about this pick. A film breakdown or something, I can't find anything out there that makes any sense of this pick.

Originally posted by 808niner4lyphe:
Pls thl408 or anybody out there, make me feel better about this pick. A film breakdown or something, I can't find anything out there that makes any sense of this pick.

The people responsible for drafting the Armstead have talked about their sense of this pick.


Here are what Tomsula and Baalke had to say about Armstead.

Tomsula

http://blogs.mercurynews.com/49ers/2015/04/30/jim-tomsula-transcript-youve-seen-enough-plays-that-hes-got-some-power-and-push-and-explosion/

Baalke

http://blogs.mercurynews.com/49ers/2015/04/30/trent-baalke-transcript-hes-a-tremendous-athlete-for-his-size-and-that-position/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+49ersHotRead+%2849ers+Hot+Read%29

Originally posted by 808niner4lyphe:

Pls thl408 or anybody out there, make me feel better about this pick. A film breakdown or something, I can't find anything out there that makes any sense of this pick.

His size is why we picked him. This guy is going to get paid to knock down Russel Wilson passes and shore up the lil guys passing lanes if Aldon can't reach Wilson then you bat the passes at the line of scrimmage. I bet they line him up the opposite side of Aldon and have tank and Alton pin their ears back and direct Wilson to the human wall arick

Originally posted by BodhiPaddlesOut:
http://draftbreakdown.com/video/arik-armstead-vs-ohio-state-2014/

since the highlights suck online, here we go. Baalke said this was one of his best:

1:05 - Beastly
2:14 - Kinda cool, sheds some blocks to stop the run, but they still convert
2:21 - Ugly, he takes a weird angle (might've just not had a chance) but still helps finish
2:32 - Right place at the right time and puts a nice shoulder into it to stop the run.
2:58 - Hmm. Had a chance.
4:18 - Sort of ugly, I don't know what gap was his, but it seems like he missed a big opportunity and let the RB run from his endzone for a big gain
4:28 - gets some pressure, but not quick enough to prevent completion for a nice gain
7:25 - Diagnoses the play quickly, sets up... and then kind of falls on the RB and gives up the conversion.
7:38 - Swims (or something) to get inside and gets enough pressure to save a TD
7:53 - Beats his blocker but watches the runner go by.. maybe by design
8:23 - Some pressure, maybe helps an incompletion (fumble?)
8:53 - Seems pretty ugly for run stopping.
9:04 - Runs right at him for conversion.
9:28 - Nice play. Fumble recovery.
9:54 - Runs near him again for conversion.
10:12 - Loses the QB? and gives up 3rd & 1 conversion.
10:46 - Lineman took out his legs, fell down, eyes fell off the QB, and sort of .... lol, another conversion.
10:58 - Ugly.
11:05 - Tracks the run and stops it.
11:27 - Is around the stop.

.... and for the rest of the video they're just running the clock down.

I tried to just find the interesting/impactful plays. Everything else on the video was him double/triple teamed or they pretty much ran away from him. I can see how people watching his tape might thing "oh, man, he's just not giving it his all", but to me they seemed sort of calculated.

I mean, he could have given 110% and been more "in" some of the plays, but as an Oregon fan I always wondered with the DL and the offense's high-pace, and how much they work towards cutting corners where possible to conserve energy, even as notorious as Oregon's practices are for getting players in top shape.

Bump

"stop the run, hit the qb"- Sweet Jimmy T.

with this dude, tank, dial and the returning vets, were set on DL for YEARS to come. people are going to get destroyed. he will take two or three guys to stop with his size and power. freeing up Bow, Aldon, Lynch and Brooks to wreak havoc on opposing QBs and anyone foolish enough to go up the middle on this defense. Im stoked we got this dude. We have the best DL coach on the planet, were always seeing nobodies step up and ball out for Jimmy T, why not be excited for a prospect as talented as this kid getting coached up to do some serious damage? as long as hes disruptive I couldnt care less about sacks. making a qb f**k up is where you get interceptions, fumbles and throw aways/wasted downs.