Jacksonville Jaguar Arik Armstead-DT Thread

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by genus49:
Seriously. Armstead is playing well in his 4th season. Do people want to go back to this thread at this point in his career as Thomas is in currently?

I get it...it sucks that Thomas isn't showing up after we invested a 3rd overall pick in him. But what was Armstead showing in his 2nd season? He wasn't dealing with the tragedy that Solomon is dealing with this year. Not everyone can brush off stuff like that and play at a high level.

They're giving Thomas snaps inside finally and he's starting to show some better play. I don't think it's a coincidence. Unless we fail in epic fashion this offseason we should be able to add edge rusher talent which should allow Thomas to go inside full time or majority of the time.

Let him go into the offseason with that in mind so he can work accordingly in the offseason.

As far as Armstead he's playing well, if we don't think shaving off his salary helps enough I have no problem bringing him back and letting him compete at big end in run downs.

All of this, honestly $9 million for what AA does well isn't close to worth it. If you could tell me they would use that cash go upgrade elsewhere then I'd pack his bags

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Originally posted by NYniner85:
All of this, honestly $9 million for what AA does well isn't close to worth it. If you could tell me they would use that cash go upgrade elsewhere then I'd pack his bags

$9M is a drop in the bucket. It will have zero impact on their offseason plans whether he is on the roster or not. The Niners aren't going to avoid top tier free agents because they have one year left of Arik Armstead.

We absolutely don't need to cut Armstead for cap room. It won't help us one bit.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by dald1:

Originally posted by Memphis9er:

Better football player than Solomon Thomas. He's been playing really well here recently.

Agreed

Only taken 4 seasons to see him as a good run defender...awesome

Lol. Get over it man. Stop bashing AA to try to take heat off your boy Thomas.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

All of this, honestly $9 million for what AA does well isn't close to worth it. If you could tell me they would use that cash go upgrade elsewhere then I'd pack his bags

So cut AA and take a hit but keep Solomon at 8 million for almost zero production?

Makes sense.

Originally posted by SteveYoung:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
All of this, honestly $9 million for what AA does well isn't close to worth it. If you could tell me they would use that cash go upgrade elsewhere then I'd pack his bags

So cut AA and take a hit but keep Solomon at 8 million for almost zero production?

Makes sense.

Here's a crazy thought....Thomas could still develop? Or is that not at all possible?

Cuz Armstead was a finished product after his first 2 years?

And cutting AA there's no hit.

Originally posted by SteveYoung:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
All of this, honestly $9 million for what AA does well isn't close to worth it. If you could tell me they would use that cash go upgrade elsewhere then I'd pack his bags

So cut AA and take a hit but keep Solomon at 8 million for almost zero production?

Makes sense.

Hey SY we agree on something!

ST is like buying a new Volvo that is supposed to be reliable but you find out it doesn't run. There was no real upside in the Volvo and the fact that he couldn't hit the ground running is a major concern because he will never turn into a sports car. You could see in college that he was "filled out to what his frame can hold and he abused some really terrible Pac 12 offensive lineman so he was already polished IMO. I went to 3 Stanford games and really only noticed 1-2 plays from him at all.

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by SteveYoung:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
All of this, honestly $9 million for what AA does well isn't close to worth it. If you could tell me they would use that cash go upgrade elsewhere then I'd pack his bags

So cut AA and take a hit but keep Solomon at 8 million for almost zero production?

Makes sense.

Hey SY we agree on something!

ST is like buying a new Volvo that is supposed to be reliable but you find out it doesn't run. There was no real upside in the Volvo and the fact that he couldn't hit the ground running is a major concern because he will never turn into a sports car. You could see in college that he was "filled out to what his frame can hold and he abused some really terrible Pac 12 offensive lineman so he was already polished IMO. I went to 3 Stanford games and really only noticed 1-2 plays from him at all.

Exactly the point I have been making each time I see AA on the line up.. I always wonder why the coaching staff was not giving other DL we have or Julian Taylor (being specific) when they can all do what AA can do (close to nothing) or at the very least, they may just be an improvement..

Originally posted by okdkid:

$9M is a drop in the bucket. It will have zero impact on their offseason plans whether he is on the roster or not. The Niners aren't going to avoid top tier free agents because they have one year left of Arik Armstead.

We absolutely don't need to cut Armstead for cap room. It won't help us one bit.

$9 million with zero dead money is not a drop in the bucket lol. Go look at guaranteed money for contracts

Originally posted by SteveYoung:

Lol. Get over it man. Stop bashing AA to try to take heat off your boy Thomas.

Lol like you weren't bashing AA his 2nd yr in the league, I bet if I cared enough I could go back in this thread and find the same s**t you're saying about Thomas right now.

This FO didn't draft AA they did draft Thomas. So if that bothers you, but that allows him time to develop.

Originally posted by genus49:
Here's a crazy thought....Thomas could still develop? Or is that not at all possible?

Cuz Armstead was a finished product after his first 2 years?

And cutting AA there's no hit.

I'm sure he will develop. But he is starting from so far back that he develops into...what? An okay every down lineman? Who cares. He's still not getting a 2nd contract with this franchise.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by okdkid:
$9M is a drop in the bucket. It will have zero impact on their offseason plans whether he is on the roster or not. The Niners aren't going to avoid top tier free agents because they have one year left of Arik Armstead.

We absolutely don't need to cut Armstead for cap room. It won't help us one bit.

$9 million with zero dead money is not a drop in the bucket lol. Go look at guaranteed money for contracts

A total drop in the bucket for a team with a projected $70M+ in cap space.

Originally posted by elguapo:

AA can stay but only at a deal maybe 6-7 mil a year for a few years. Not 9 mil option. He isn't worth that although he's improving. We have players like day and even street that may be just as good or better.

$9M is not a big number for a 4-3DE who is performing at his level. It puts him as the 15th highest paid. $6-7M gets you a mediocre starter, around 23rd highest paid.

EDIT: Day is not playing at anything close to AA. He is outside the top 80 interior defenders.

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Originally posted by SteveYoung:

So cut AA and take a hit but keep Solomon at 8 million for almost zero production?

Makes sense.

What hit? There's ZERO dead money, nothing zip nada. I've told you this many times, yet you keep saying otherwise or whatever.

Zero production, your PFF gods said he had 7 pressures last game, how many did AA have?

You've already stated AA isn't worth $9 million, which is more than guys like Sheldon Richardson are making currently. You're high, stubborn, or just hate Thomas that much if you actually think he's even close to that worth.

His production doesn't even come close to his worth and they can move on for absolutely NOTHING! You can bring up thomas' contract, but it's not even close to AA's with the idea of not having to take any financial hit.

Originally posted by okdkid:
I'm sure he will develop. But he is starting from so far back that he develops into...what? An okay every down lineman? Who cares. He's still not getting a 2nd contract with this franchise.

If he's an ok every down lineman why wouldn't he? Not all contracts have to be record breaking ones.

Obviously it's not what you want with a top 3 pick but if he can turn into a decent players you can have out there at this point it's a win.

Originally posted by okdkid:

A total drop in the bucket for a team with a projected $70M+ in cap space.

Actually $66 million...so let's overpay a guy just because? Smart financial football right there that $9 million makes him the 4th highest paid player on the team in 2019. I guess you were completely fine with Jimmie Ward and giving him $8.5 million because we could? We got 19,000 Big Ends man.

Why not turn that money into a more productive player or put it towards Defo?