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Originally posted by SteveYoung:Of course you would.
Originally posted by dj43:When you look at guys like Star Lotulelei ($9.3M) Linval Joseph ($12.5M) and Dontari Poe ($10M) and how they are playing, Armstead is value at $9M.
I'm not saying he is meeting all of my hopes for him. I'm only saying he is being paid fairly in comparison to a whole bunch of other guys.
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by dj43:
When you look at guys like Star Lotulelei ($9.3M) Linval Joseph ($12.5M) and Dontari Poe ($10M) and how they are playing, Armstead is value at $9M.
I'm not saying he is meeting all of my hopes for him. I'm only saying he is being paid fairly in comparison to a whole bunch of other guys.
Wait is AA a NT because that's the position all those guys play. If you want or pay $9 million for a two down guy okay, imo it's not a value at all.
Originally posted by NYniner85:Originally posted by Waterbear:Contractually yes. We are now forced to let Armstead go and replace him with Thomas. I was going to make that point on my last post actually. I don't think they keep Armstead if they do I really don't think they are learning from their mistakes and we could be in a lot of the same going forward. :/
But in terms of upside? I would take the 6'8 guy who has the traits to become a decent player and produced 4.5 sacks in 5 starts versus Thomas with 4 sacks in 23 starts both in their second year.
BTW I never wanted either guy. Armstead year I wanted to pick Peters or trade down a lot for Jordan Phillips who I was high on but no one else was (still think he has a much better career than Armstead).
AA got to play the same position he played in college if you're talking about 2nd yr production...not apples to apples imo. If you told me they're drafting Thomas to play predominately on the outside (rushing off the edge) I would have said nope that's not a great pick.
I don't think being 6-8 at DT is a benefit and if we're looking at what translates better for a one gapping DL I think Thomas traits and film from college was better.
Originally posted by dj43:I was only comparing relative value of DTs, which is where he plays as well as DE. If you look at DEs, you get a similar comparison.
The point being, $9M is not a lot of money for a DE/DT in today's world.
Originally posted by Waterbear:Except we have seen Armstead play on the edge a lot as well. And I said he has the traits like he has longer arms and uses them better than Thomas. He is able to generate power which we really haven't seen much from Thomas.
Originally posted by Waterbear:
Except we have seen Armstead play on the edge a lot as well. And I said he has the traits like he has longer arms and uses them better than Thomas. He is able to generate power which we really haven't seen much from Thomas.
Originally posted by genus49:Originally posted by Waterbear:Except we have seen Armstead play on the edge a lot as well. And I said he has the traits like he has longer arms and uses them better than Thomas. He is able to generate power which we really haven't seen much from Thomas.
He's got the same arm length (33) at 6'7 as Thomas does at 6'3. This isn't Buckner.
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by dj43:
I was only comparing relative value of DTs, which is where he plays as well as DE. If you look at DEs, you get a similar comparison.
The point being, $9M is not a lot of money for a DE/DT in today's world.
Those guys are straight up NTs thought AA isn't doing that and I don't think he's better than any of those names you mentioned.
If we want to compare him to someone look at Sheldon Richardson, they play a similar position and he's making $8 million this yr. I wouldn't say AA is better than him.
$9 million for a guy that shouldn't be a 3 down player in this scheme isn't money spent properly imo. He shouldn't be the 4th highest paid player on the time. That said I'm assume SF will keep him because they did the same s**t with Ward and have to spend money
Imo if that's not much money for a DL and he's as good as people are saying in here, then they should have no problem getting a good trade piece for him, right?
Originally posted by dj43:AA grades a bit better in pass rush and a lot better in run defense = $9M is in line with him.
If Lynch can get a 3rd and a 6th for him, I would go for that. I just don't see a big rush to trade him.
Originally posted by NYniner85:
So we're going off PFF as the end all be all. According to PFF AA is apparently a better pass rusher than than chandler jones, who's got 12 sacks lol. Let's be real with the PFF stuff. I pay for it and like to see grades, but no damn way should his pass rush grade be in line with Calis Campbell, clowney and higher than Jones (because it is).
If he's worth $9 million like you all think and the NFL goes off of PFF grades, well SF should have no problem trading him for a quality pick lol. BUT we all know that s**t isn't gonna happen.
Originally posted by ChazBoner:PFF trollin the s**t out of the 9ers.
Arik Armstead's dominance might be the most ignored storyline for the 49ers. Excluding Dekoda Watson, AA has the best pass rush productivity on the team per PFF. He may be an elite run stopper, but it's incorrect to say he's not had an impact as a pass rusher (thread)
— Scott Geelan (@Scott_Geelan) December 14, 2018
Originally posted by NYniner85:Originally posted by Waterbear:Except we have seen Armstead play on the edge a lot as well. And I said he has the traits like he has longer arms and uses them better than Thomas. He is able to generate power which we really haven't seen much from Thomas.
When did we see him on the edge his first two yrs in the league? You brought up stats to compare on thier 1st two yrs. one got put in the position he played all though college to start out his NFL career, the other did not.
He actually doesn't have longer arms then Thomas they have the same arm length (33 inches). I saw plenty of power from Thomas this past week when inside (7 qb pressures to show for it) totally different ball game on the outside you know that
I'll add Thomas had a better board, vert, and put more up on the bench then AA.
I will say I don't hate AA, I want any 49er to ball out and I'm glad he's finally doing something. He's had 4 yrs to grow and he's showing what he did in college which was stopping the run. He's never been a good pass rusher is what it is. Love to see Thomas get a 4 full yrs from fans but I guess that's not doable in here
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by dj43:
AA grades a bit better in pass rush and a lot better in run defense = $9M is in line with him.
If Lynch can get a 3rd and a 6th for him, I would go for that. I just don't see a big rush to trade him.
So we're going off PFF as the end all be all. According to PFF AA is apparently a better pass rusher than than chandler jones, who's got 12 sacks lol. Let's be real with the PFF stuff. I pay for it and like to see grades, but no damn way should his pass rush grade be in line with Calis Campbell, clowney and higher than Jones (because it is).
If he's worth $9 million like you all think and the NFL goes off of PFF grades, well SF should have no problem trading him for a quality pick lol. BUT we all know that s**t isn't gonna happen.
Per@PFF "Since week 5, DE Chandler Jones has an 80.3 overall grade, the highest of any Cardinals defender. He has 10 sacks in that span."
— Mike Jurecki (@mikejurecki) December 11, 2018