Jacksonville Jaguar Arik Armstead-DT Thread

U guys know hes #91, right? there has to be some confusion.

Originally posted by ChazBoner:

U guys know hes #91, right? there has to be some confusion.

You have spent a post on each of the last 8 pages of this thread and nobody is biting. You are trying way to hard my dude.

I would suggest contributing to and engaging in the discussions instead of the "he is teh suxorzzz you guyz" approach.

Originally posted by SteveYoung:

But did I say anything wrong?

AA isn't a fit as a pass rusher on base downs and he isn't stout vs the run inside on passing downs.

At the time one of Solomon or AA had to go. They play the same position. We still are running into that problem. Someone has to go.

This is the problem with changing your mind and going in so heavy on things...stuff you said before puts you in a position where you have to talk in circles.

You're in here telling us Armstead is this beast as a run stopper and getting these amazing pass rush grades in PFF but now he can't rush the passer in base or stop the run inside?

How about you realize that Armstead wasn't a finished product after year 2 and neither is Thomas.

Sit back and see what happens instead of going in so forcefully that Thomas is a bust and has no future here. Maybe that becomes the case but at this point we don't know that. We can certainly admit as a top 3 pick he's been very disappointing. That ship has sailed. At this point I just want to see him improve inside so he can be a quality player for us and make the overall DL better and more dangerous. If Armstead is part of that DL great, that's the thing about the DL quality depth is important.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
And for the record I'm glad AA is starting to show some improvement.

Ditto

I don't want the guy to fail - that's stupid.

He is getting better and steadily improving.

He's NOT and ER he' an Edge Setter

https://www.ninersnation.com/2018/12/15/18141978/arik-armstead-film-breakdown-49ers-2018-fifth-year-option

Originally posted by tjd808185:
He's good vs the run, provides valuable insurance/ competition/ rotation to Buckner, Thomas. I see no problem with keeping him around. His cap # is a reason we could justify letting him go but if you think we're going to spend it elsewhere I got some fine real estate in Mexico to sell you.

Agree on all counts.

"IF" we get an ER like Bosa, AA will shine as will ST.

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by SteveYoung:
But did I say anything wrong?

AA isn't a fit as a pass rusher on base downs and he isn't stout vs the run inside on passing downs.

At the time one of Solomon or AA had to go. They play the same position. We still are running into that problem. Someone has to go.

This is the problem with changing your mind and going in so heavy on things...stuff you said before puts you in a position where you have to talk in circles.

You're in here telling us Armstead is this beast as a run stopper and getting these amazing pass rush grades in PFF but now he can't rush the passer in base or stop the run inside?

How about you realize that Armstead wasn't a finished product after year 2 and neither is Thomas.

Sit back and see what happens instead of going in so forcefully that Thomas is a bust and has no future here. Maybe that becomes the case but at this point we don't know that. We can certainly admit as a top 3 pick he's been very disappointing. That ship has sailed. At this point I just want to see him improve inside so he can be a quality player for us and make the overall DL better and more dangerous. If Armstead is part of that DL great, that's the thing about the DL quality depth is important.

Leave SY alone today. He doesn't like 'sarcastic f**ks.'

He's fully entitled to his opinion and is allowed to change that opinion at any time. We all are.

Originally posted by LasVegasWally:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
And for the record I'm glad AA is starting to show some improvement.

Ditto

I don't want the guy to fail - that's stupid.

He is getting better and steadily improving.

He's NOT an ER he's an Edge Setter

https://www.ninersnation.com/2018/12/15/18141978/arik-armstead-film-breakdown-49ers-2018-fifth-year-option

Perfectly said. Again, this is the easiest position to find along the DL. I'm happy for him though. He's going to make $9M or get a long term contract elsewhere (maybe even here). But this is why just about everyone in Saleh's mind can play both BE and 3T. Street, Taylor, AA, Thomas, Buckner, Tank, Douzable, and 100 others. Pretty much any DT.

We will probably franchise tag him.

Originally posted by T-9ers:

We will probably franchise tag him.

No we won't. No need for it. If we want to keep him for next year we simply pick up the 5th year option. Why would we franchise him? That's giving him a 4-7 million dollar raise.

Originally posted by LifelongNiner:

That's the problem, he's just a guy to me. I see him as a rotational guy, a starter when playing a good running team, and he'd have more value on a team running a 3-4 with his skillset.

1st things 1st we need Bosa. Until you get that great edge player you have to be flexible.

Once we land him I think it's fair to consider dropping AA. But if they chose to kerp him as a rotational piece I think that's fine too. There's enough meat to play him 30-35 snaps even behind Buckner/ Solly.

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:

Originally posted by jcs:
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$9 million is not in line for a guy with 3 sacks and a career avg of 2.5 per season. He's also not a NT and trying to justify his pay compared to those guys doesn't work either. He's just another big end and there are a ton of those guys in this league.

This is the most sensible post on this entire thread. AA is playing like an elite run defender, but his price has been driven up because he was overdrafted (which is also why he gets unnecessary hate).

We have a ton of cap space, we can see how he plays next year, and consider a fair long term deal. I mean who else at the moment deserves a 2nd contract?

If he performs, great, if not he walks. No issues.

Given the limited number of draft selections and the logjam next year at defensive tackle (Buckner, Thomas, AA, Jones, Street, Taylor, Day, Blair), the smart move might be to trade Thomas or AA.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Leave SY alone today. He doesn't like 'sarcastic f**ks.'

He's fully entitled to his opinion and is allowed to change that opinion at any time. We all are.

Just don't be a hypocrite We got people drinking AA's bathwater based off PFF stats and doing well in run defending, yet 99.9% of fans were ready to throw him in the trash after his 2nd/3rd yr.

Same s**t going on with Thomas, only difference is he was by far more NFL ready than AA coming out of college. AA got a chance right out the gate to play that same 3-4 DE role he had in college, Thomas has had the exact opposite done to him....anyone looking at the past two games objectively can see he's a much better fit rushing from the interior.

I'm glad AA is hopefully turning the corner and becoming useful to the team finally. Issue is what he's really good at isn't super important, we got 4 Big Ends that can run defend and won't cost $9 million. we know what he is after 4 yrs. we don't know what Thomas will be and he should have the same type of chance as AA imo...BUT certain people for whatever reason refuse to allow that to happen.

Imo AA isn't a 3 down guy, he's a stud rotational DL but you don't pay them $9 million per yr, that's my only issue.

Originally posted by T-9ers:

We will probably franchise tag him.

Huh? He's under the option for $9 million, the franchise tag for a DT is $13+ million

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by T-9ers:
We will probably franchise tag him.

Huh? He's under the option for $9 million, the franchise tag for a DT is $13+ million

Dude, clean out your inbox. I've got a FA question for you.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by T-9ers:
We will probably franchise tag him.

Huh? He's under the option for $9 million, the franchise tag for a DT is $13+ million

he deserves the extra 4m