Jacksonville Jaguar Arik Armstead-DT Thread

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by Niners99:

Originally posted by RonMexico:

Originally posted by Niners99:

Originally posted by Ensatsu:

Originally posted by jcs:
Can't wait to see PFF grade him higher than Buckner this week....

He is getting extended. Best player on the defense according to the PFF Gods

Ive yet to have someone answer my question. What player grading service is better than PFF? Id love to know who does it better.

Services? Are there even any others?

Exactly. People love to discredit them, but having nothing better to compare it to.

Almost every NFL team subscribes to their service, so obviously they think it's pretty accurate.

So do many pro football writers.

I have followed them for three years now (I don't buy the Elite package). I watch the movement of players up and down in their ratings. I find they give a pretty good idea of how a player is doing in different aspects of their position. At worst, the fact they grade all players in the same position in the same way, it gives you a good relative ranking of the players.

Personally I don't think NFL teams subscribe to PFF for their player rating scores. They have their own pro personnel scouts to watch football and scout players the way the team wants them to. I think NFL teams use them for their objective stats. How often does a QB throw to his left on 3rd & 10+? How often does a team blitz on 2nd down? Those are concrete objective stats that a monkey can tally. Which frees up the team's resources for other stuff.

I've seen PFF ads on my twitter feed asking "Do you want to come work for PFF?". Why are they asking Joe Schmo to come work for them? I know a little about football, but if they ever hired me that would make them lose credibility.

The NFL plays an unbalanced schedule. If Mike McG scores a 70 against Von Miller, that to me is better than him scoring a 90 against Eli Harold. PFF still cannot capture that, and that's the biggest problem I have with their player scores. There is no aspect of 'quality of competition'.

"Well what else is better?" That's not a strong argument. If I gave you a turd sandwich and that was all you had to eat, should you complain, or should you eat the sandwich because it's better than nothing since you don't want to starve? PFF is that turd sandwich. The buns are the concrete stats, the turd patty is the player rating scores. Throw away the patty and eat the buns.

The bolded is complete BS.

Originally posted by thl408:

Personally I don't think NFL teams subscribe to PFF for their player rating scores. They have their own pro personnel scouts to watch football and scout players the way the team wants them to. I think NFL teams use them for their objective stats. How often does a QB throw to his left on 3rd & 10+? How often does a team blitz on 2nd down? Those are concrete objective stats that a monkey can tally. Which frees up the team's resources for other stuff.

I've seen PFF ads on my twitter feed asking "Do you want to come work for PFF?". Why are they asking Joe Schmo to come work for them? I know a little about football, but if they ever hired me that would make them lose credibility.

The NFL plays an unbalanced schedule. If Mike McG scores a 70 against Von Miller, that to me is better than him scoring a 90 against Eli Harold. PFF still cannot capture that, and that's the biggest problem I have with their player scores. There is no aspect of 'quality of competition'.

"Well what else is better?" That's not a strong argument. If I gave you a turd sandwich and that was all you had to eat, should you complain, or should you eat the sandwich because it's better than nothing since you don't want to starve? PFF is that turd sandwich. The buns are the concrete stats, the turd patty is the player rating scores. Throw away the patty and eat the buns.

His PFF grade out yet?

I must admit that I have not watched the entire game. But I watched enough to see this guy getting man handled pretty easy. Did I maybe miss some positive plays he made?

Originally posted by LarryLestersBuns:
I must admit that I have not watched the entire game. But I watched enough to see this guy getting man handled pretty easy. Did I maybe miss some positive plays he made?

lol, no.

Every week, on every play hes either oblivious to where the ball is, displaying his severe lack of speed or just getting beat up by the OL. Occasionally the OL will forget to block him and he'll make a tackle. But it's rare.

Originally posted by Heroism:

PFF grades thl as an elite webzone poster.

Yeah but do you have the advanced stats?

I would much rather not pick up Armsteads 9 million option for 2019, and use that 9 million to sign someone like Earl Thomas. I know we have a ton of cap space, but we have plenty of Big Ends already on the team, with Street going to be healthy next season as well, letting Armstead walk, or not pick up his option and try to bring him back for half that price would make sense to me.
Personally I like Buckner+Soloman in the middle right now. Really wish we didn't beat Seattle, having the number 1 pick this year, and being able to add Bosa as our LEO would have done wonders for our pass rush, and help out our secondary tremendously. Who do we look at now at 3?

Originally posted by thl408:
Personally I don't think NFL teams subscribe to PFF for their player rating scores. They have their own pro personnel scouts to watch football and scout players the way the team wants them to. I think NFL teams use them for their objective stats. How often does a QB throw to his left on 3rd & 10+? How often does a team blitz on 2nd down? Those are concrete objective stats that a monkey can tally. Which frees up the team's resources for other stuff.

I've seen PFF ads on my twitter feed asking "Do you want to come work for PFF?". Why are they asking Joe Schmo to come work for them? I know a little about football, but if they ever hired me that would make them lose credibility.

The NFL plays an unbalanced schedule. If Mike McG scores a 70 against Von Miller, that to me is better than him scoring a 90 against Eli Harold. PFF still cannot capture that, and that's the biggest problem I have with their player scores. There is no aspect of 'quality of competition'.

"Well what else is better?" That's not a strong argument. If I gave you a turd sandwich and that was all you had to eat, should you complain, or should you eat the sandwich because it's better than nothing since you don't want to starve? PFF is that turd sandwich. The buns are the concrete stats, the turd patty is the player rating scores. Throw away the patty and eat the buns.

eh, your illustrations is way over the top.

I have said on numerous occasions that PFF will never take the place of film. That is why I love the film studies you guys do in NT. That having been said, PFF does give a decent relative value of the various players in each category. That is more objective than a bunch of us fans just giving our own opinions.

Originally posted by Bobdawg78:

I would much rather not pick up Armsteads 9 million option for 2019, and use that 9 million to sign someone like Earl Thomas. I know we have a ton of cap space, but we have plenty of Big Ends already on the team, with Street going to be healthy next season as well, letting Armstead walk, or not pick up his option and try to bring him back for half that price would make sense to me.
Personally I like Buckner+Soloman in the middle right now. Really wish we didn't beat Seattle, having the number 1 pick this year, and being able to add Bosa as our LEO would have done wonders for our pass rush, and help out our secondary tremendously. Who do we look at now at 3?

Strong agreed. ^^^

Originally posted by Bobdawg78:
I would much rather not pick up Armsteads 9 million option for 2019, and use that 9 million to sign someone like Earl Thomas. I know we have a ton of cap space, but we have plenty of Big Ends already on the team, with Street going to be healthy next season as well, letting Armstead walk, or not pick up his option and try to bring him back for half that price would make sense to me.
Personally I like Buckner+Soloman in the middle right now. Really wish we didn't beat Seattle, having the number 1 pick this year, and being able to add Bosa as our LEO would have done wonders for our pass rush, and help out our secondary tremendously. Who do we look at now at 3?

Im driving the Jonah Williams bus if you'd like a ride....

Originally posted by WINiner:

Originally posted by Bobdawg78:
I would much rather not pick up Armsteads 9 million option for 2019, and use that 9 million to sign someone like Earl Thomas. I know we have a ton of cap space, but we have plenty of Big Ends already on the team, with Street going to be healthy next season as well, letting Armstead walk, or not pick up his option and try to bring him back for half that price would make sense to me.
Personally I like Buckner+Soloman in the middle right now. Really wish we didn't beat Seattle, having the number 1 pick this year, and being able to add Bosa as our LEO would have done wonders for our pass rush, and help out our secondary tremendously. Who do we look at now at 3?

Im driving the Jonah Williams bus if you'd like a ride....

What you are saying makes sense, but I can't see this team drafting a number 1 overall pick to play on the bench for a year, unless you want him to play guard for a year or 2. I'm crossing my fingers that our 2019 picks work our and we can invest a 2020 1st rounder in a tackle. Granted in my scenario, my first rounder is probably on the bench too lol, but it's with the anticipation that we are a non-losing or playoff team in 2019. I'd like our first round to get some mentoring from Staley for a year or even two + Mike McGlinchey will be two years in the game by then.

It's sad enough we didn't get a ring for Gore and Willis. It would be nice if one of our guys from the Nolan years won and I don't see us being that team in 2019.

Originally posted by thl408:
Personally I don't think NFL teams subscribe to PFF for their player rating scores. They have their own pro personnel scouts to watch football and scout players the way the team wants them to. I think NFL teams use them for their objective stats. How often does a QB throw to his left on 3rd & 10+? How often does a team blitz on 2nd down? Those are concrete objective stats that a monkey can tally. Which frees up the team's resources for other stuff.

I've seen PFF ads on my twitter feed asking "Do you want to come work for PFF?". Why are they asking Joe Schmo to come work for them? I know a little about football, but if they ever hired me that would make them lose credibility.

The NFL plays an unbalanced schedule. If Mike McG scores a 70 against Von Miller, that to me is better than him scoring a 90 against Eli Harold. PFF still cannot capture that, and that's the biggest problem I have with their player scores. There is no aspect of 'quality of competition'.

"Well what else is better?" That's not a strong argument. If I gave you a turd sandwich and that was all you had to eat, should you complain, or should you eat the sandwich because it's better than nothing since you don't want to starve? PFF is that turd sandwich. The buns are the concrete stats, the turd patty is the player rating scores. Throw away the patty and eat the buns.

Yes, good post.

The player ratings is what draws the most fans attention, but its in all likelihood the least valuable to professionals in the business.

What were his PFF grades this week?

Mike McG??? Kind of Average Joe?

Originally posted by thl408:
Personally I don't think NFL teams subscribe to PFF for their player rating scores. They have their own pro personnel scouts to watch football and scout players the way the team wants them to. I think NFL teams use them for their objective stats. How often does a QB throw to his left on 3rd & 10+? How often does a team blitz on 2nd down? Those are concrete objective stats that a monkey can tally. Which frees up the team's resources for other stuff.

I've seen PFF ads on my twitter feed asking "Do you want to come work for PFF?". Why are they asking Joe Schmo to come work for them? I know a little about football, but if they ever hired me that would make them lose credibility.

The NFL plays an unbalanced schedule. If Mike McG scores a 70 against Von Miller, that to me is better than him scoring a 90 against Eli Harold. PFF still cannot capture that, and that's the biggest problem I have with their player scores. There is no aspect of 'quality of competition'.

"Well what else is better?" That's not a strong argument. If I gave you a turd sandwich and that was all you had to eat, should you complain, or should you eat the sandwich because it's better than nothing since you don't want to starve? PFF is that turd sandwich. The buns are the concrete stats, the turd patty is the player rating scores. Throw away the patty and eat the buns.

basically proves what I've always suspected. They'll hire anyone. Slap "Analyst" as a title and sell their b******t grades. Bet these "Analysts" work from the comfort of their parents basements.