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Originally posted by ChazBoner:
Originally posted by thl408:
Personally I don't think NFL teams subscribe to PFF for their player rating scores. They have their own pro personnel scouts to watch football and scout players the way the team wants them to. I think NFL teams use them for their objective stats. How often does a QB throw to his left on 3rd & 10+? How often does a team blitz on 2nd down? Those are concrete objective stats that a monkey can tally. Which frees up the team's resources for other stuff.

I've seen PFF ads on my twitter feed asking "Do you want to come work for PFF?". Why are they asking Joe Schmo to come work for them? I know a little about football, but if they ever hired me that would make them lose credibility.

The NFL plays an unbalanced schedule. If Mike McG scores a 70 against Von Miller, that to me is better than him scoring a 90 against Eli Harold. PFF still cannot capture that, and that's the biggest problem I have with their player scores. There is no aspect of 'quality of competition'.

"Well what else is better?" That's not a strong argument. If I gave you a turd sandwich and that was all you had to eat, should you complain, or should you eat the sandwich because it's better than nothing since you don't want to starve? PFF is that turd sandwich. The buns are the concrete stats, the turd patty is the player rating scores. Throw away the patty and eat the buns.

basically proves what I've always suspected. They'll hire anyone. Slap "Analyst" as a title and sell their b******t grades. Bet these "Analysts" work from the comfort of their parents basements.

This is where you are wrong. Getting hired by them does not mean you are now an analyst, you just jumped the gun and assumed what they do.

In working for PFF you will contribute to the analysis and statistics that make PFF so unique. Every person from CEO to newest member of the team has started off working on the collation of player participation data that can take upwards of 20 hours per game to collect initially and, although this does reduce considerably with experience, it is not for the faint of heart. Producing this data improves your knowledge of the game and put you in a position to represent the PFF brand through written content, etc.

The successful candidate must have:

● Demonstrable knowledge of the NFL product and what PFF does
● A very high level of enthusiasm and passion for football and Pro Football Focus
● Excellent interpersonal and communication skills (both written and verbal)
● Ability to meet deadlines
● Positive attitude, strong work ethic, and excellent attention to detail
● At least 20 hours of free time per week, with a large amount of time available on weekends

In return, Pro Football Focus offers training, an opportunity for you to develop your own profile on a highly regarded media platform, access to data not made available to the public (even via subscription), and payment based on work done in-season depending on accuracy. This is open to anyone in the USA, Canada, the UK or Ireland. You are welcome to send a resume/cover letter, but this is not necessary

Sounds like any Joe Schmo can apply but it does not mean the Mr. Schmo will get hired. And if one is hired, it sounds like you are not made an analyst but someone who assists the analysts.

PFF is not Bible by any stretch but it does come in handy as a film study aide.
Originally posted by evil:
This is where you are wrong. Getting hired by them does not mean you are now an analyst, you just jumped the gun and assumed what they do.

Sounds like any Joe Schmo can apply but it does not mean the Mr. Schmo will get hired. And if one is hired, it sounds like you are not made an analyst but someone who assists the analysts.

PFF is not Bible by any stretch but it does come in handy as a film study aide.

They have the same job requirements as a wallmart greeter

Must have 20 hours a week of free time, and have enthusiasm!
Originally posted by SunDevilNiner79:
They have the same job requirements as a wallmart greeter

Must have 20 hours a week of free time, and have enthusiasm!

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PFF Assistant NFL Analyst at your service.

Lol
Originally posted by ChazBoner:
PFF Assistant NFL Analyst at your service.


You have a funny way of admitting you were wrong.
Originally posted by ChazBoner:
PFF Assistant NFL Analyst at your service.


Originally posted by thl408:

I've seen PFF ads on my twitter feed asking "Do you want to come work for PFF?". Why are they asking Joe Schmo to come work for them? I know a little about football, but if they ever hired me that would make them lose credibility.

Wait you don't think they just hire anyone who applies do you? Do you think if you see an ad for a nuclear technician you would be able to get that?
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Originally posted by Jcool:
Wait you don't think they just hire anyone who applies do you? Do you think if you see an ad for a nuclear technician you would be able to get that?

lol. U see the qualifications? harder to get a job at subway.
Meh. What do you expect from an internet service charging a few bucks? You'd be surprised to find out that you won't find many former GM's willing to spend 20 hours a week analyzing plays for 3 bucks an hour.
Originally posted by ChazBoner:
Originally posted by Jcool:
Wait you don't think they just hire anyone who applies do you? Do you think if you see an ad for a nuclear technician you would be able to get that?

lol. U see the qualifications? harder to get a job at subway.

Why are you making things up that are easily disprovable? It doesn't make you look very good.
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jumping on the pile late, like always. Dude was already down when AA arrived.
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Originally posted by ChazBoner:
jumping on the pile late, like always. Dude was already down when AA arrived.

Bears bent our guys like that #Karma
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Originally posted by dj43:
Originally posted by thl408:
Personally I don't think NFL teams subscribe to PFF for their player rating scores. They have their own pro personnel scouts to watch football and scout players the way the team wants them to. I think NFL teams use them for their objective stats. How often does a QB throw to his left on 3rd & 10+? How often does a team blitz on 2nd down? Those are concrete objective stats that a monkey can tally. Which frees up the team's resources for other stuff.

I've seen PFF ads on my twitter feed asking "Do you want to come work for PFF?". Why are they asking Joe Schmo to come work for them? I know a little about football, but if they ever hired me that would make them lose credibility.

The NFL plays an unbalanced schedule. If Mike McG scores a 70 against Von Miller, that to me is better than him scoring a 90 against Eli Harold. PFF still cannot capture that, and that's the biggest problem I have with their player scores. There is no aspect of 'quality of competition'.

"Well what else is better?" That's not a strong argument. If I gave you a turd sandwich and that was all you had to eat, should you complain, or should you eat the sandwich because it's better than nothing since you don't want to starve? PFF is that turd sandwich. The buns are the concrete stats, the turd patty is the player rating scores. Throw away the patty and eat the buns.

eh, your illustrations is way over the top.

I have said on numerous occasions that PFF will never take the place of film. That is why I love the film studies you guys do in NT. That having been said, PFF does give a decent relative value of the various players in each category. That is more objective than a bunch of us fans just giving our own opinions.

Which illustrations are over the top to you? I'd like to address it, but I don't know which ones you are referring to. I wrote a lot, here's a list of my points in that post:
- teams probably use PFF for objective stats, not player rating score
- pff hiring a person that likes football is a low bar for job requirement
- pff cannot account for quality of competition which makes player rating score a poor metric
- turd sandwich analogy. Use pff for objective stats, not player rating.
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