Jacksonville Jaguar Arik Armstead-DT Thread

Originally posted by vamphunter23:
Too bad we weren't smart like the Rams and draft a running back with a torn ACL with the 10th pick....same old sorry ass Rams

Originally posted by Heroism:

Well said, dj.

As you stated, we've seen AA fire off the ball, which I think is his most glaring weakness. Firing off the ball with a quality first step is half the battle as a pass rusher. The capability to do that is there with AA. Someone needs to simply help him with consistency. Fixing that issue could be as simple as riding his ass in practice and during games, adjusting his eye placement, giving him a new cue, etc.

Imagine if AA fired off the ball like this on every snap.



Personally, I thought Jeff Zgonina did an average-to-poor job, so I wasn't sad to see him go. Pumped to have Kris Kocurek.

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:

Is this from 3 years ago? Captain klutz knocking his own guys out of the way. Nothing has changed.

Originally posted by Bluefalcon61:

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:
Is this from 3 years ago? Captain klutz knocking his own guys out of the way. Nothing has changed.

must be 3 years ago. nowadays, he's just always late off the snap and knocks his own guys out of the way

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by Bluefalcon61:

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:
Is this from 3 years ago? Captain klutz knocking his own guys out of the way. Nothing has changed.

must be 3 years ago. nowadays, he's just always late off the snap and knocks his own guys out of the way

No, he is not "always late off the snap." He is on some occasions but not on others. That should tell us that better coaching will correct the problem.

As I said above, if Saleh and Shanahan felt it was an uncorrectable player issue they would not have replaced Zgonina. That move says a lot about what to expect from not only Armstead but Solomon Thomas as well. They are part of the package.

Originally posted by Niner4ever:

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by Bluefalcon61:

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:
Is this from 3 years ago? Captain klutz knocking his own guys out of the way. Nothing has changed.

must be 3 years ago. nowadays, he's just always late off the snap and knocks his own guys out of the way

No, he is not "always late off the snap." He is on some occasions but not on others. That should tell us that better coaching will correct the problem.

As I said above, if Saleh and Shanahan felt it was an uncorrectable player issue they would not have replaced Zgonina. That move says a lot about what to expect from not only Armstead but Solomon Thomas as well. They are part of the package.

Seems like with the change in D- line coach they are of the impression that that group can improve or do better, I agree. It also seems like Armstead might be retained. If it improves him good for the team. I just question his desire and for me his cap number is too high.

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by Niner4ever:

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by Bluefalcon61:

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:
Is this from 3 years ago? Captain klutz knocking his own guys out of the way. Nothing has changed.

must be 3 years ago. nowadays, he's just always late off the snap and knocks his own guys out of the way

No, he is not "always late off the snap." He is on some occasions but not on others. That should tell us that better coaching will correct the problem.

As I said above, if Saleh and Shanahan felt it was an uncorrectable player issue they would not have replaced Zgonina. That move says a lot about what to expect from not only Armstead but Solomon Thomas as well. They are part of the package.

Seems like with the change in D- line coach they are of the impression that that group can improve or do better, I agree. It also seems like Armstead might be retained. If it improves him good for the team. I just question his desire and for me his cap number is too high.

Neither of us knows about his desire. It would seem that the improved year he just put in after overcoming injuries and working with a poor DL coach would suggest his desire is strong.

As to his cap number; it is in line with similar players. His actual salary is less than $3M.

Originally posted by Niner4ever:

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by Niner4ever:

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by Bluefalcon61:

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:
Is this from 3 years ago? Captain klutz knocking his own guys out of the way. Nothing has changed.

must be 3 years ago. nowadays, he's just always late off the snap and knocks his own guys out of the way

No, he is not "always late off the snap." He is on some occasions but not on others. That should tell us that better coaching will correct the problem.

As I said above, if Saleh and Shanahan felt it was an uncorrectable player issue they would not have replaced Zgonina. That move says a lot about what to expect from not only Armstead but Solomon Thomas as well. They are part of the package.

Seems like with the change in D- line coach they are of the impression that that group can improve or do better, I agree. It also seems like Armstead might be retained. If it improves him good for the team. I just question his desire and for me his cap number is too high.

Neither of us knows about his desire. It would seem that the improved year he just put in after overcoming injuries and working with a poor DL coach would suggest his desire is strong.

As to his cap number; it is in line with similar players. His actual salary is less than $3M.

I will always question the desire of guys that perform better in contract years than not. As far as injuries are concerned it is repeatedly stated by players and former players that no one is ever 100% healthy in the NFL guys simply suck it up just play through them.

From the sites I am looking at if he stays on the team for the year his money is $9.046 million. For me that's a lot of money for what he has done.

Hopefully if he stays he will be much better with the new coach.

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by Niner4ever:

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by Niner4ever:

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by Bluefalcon61:

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:
Is this from 3 years ago? Captain klutz knocking his own guys out of the way. Nothing has changed.

must be 3 years ago. nowadays, he's just always late off the snap and knocks his own guys out of the way

No, he is not "always late off the snap." He is on some occasions but not on others. That should tell us that better coaching will correct the problem.

As I said above, if Saleh and Shanahan felt it was an uncorrectable player issue they would not have replaced Zgonina. That move says a lot about what to expect from not only Armstead but Solomon Thomas as well. They are part of the package.

Seems like with the change in D- line coach they are of the impression that that group can improve or do better, I agree. It also seems like Armstead might be retained. If it improves him good for the team. I just question his desire and for me his cap number is too high.

Neither of us knows about his desire. It would seem that the improved year he just put in after overcoming injuries and working with a poor DL coach would suggest his desire is strong.

As to his cap number; it is in line with similar players. His actual salary is less than $3M.

I will always question the desire of guys that perform better in contract years than not. As far as injuries are concerned it is repeatedly stated by players and former players that no one is ever 100% healthy in the NFL guys simply suck it up just play through them.

From the sites I am looking at if he stays on the team for the year his money is $9.046 million. For me that's a lot of money for what he has done.

Hopefully if he stays he will be much better with the new coach.

That is his cap number. It is in line with others at his position based on his play this season. His actual salary is $2,460,000.

Originally posted by Niner4ever:

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by Niner4ever:

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by Niner4ever:

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by Bluefalcon61:

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:
Is this from 3 years ago? Captain klutz knocking his own guys out of the way. Nothing has changed.

must be 3 years ago. nowadays, he's just always late off the snap and knocks his own guys out of the way

No, he is not "always late off the snap." He is on some occasions but not on others. That should tell us that better coaching will correct the problem.

As I said above, if Saleh and Shanahan felt it was an uncorrectable player issue they would not have replaced Zgonina. That move says a lot about what to expect from not only Armstead but Solomon Thomas as well. They are part of the package.

Seems like with the change in D- line coach they are of the impression that that group can improve or do better, I agree. It also seems like Armstead might be retained. If it improves him good for the team. I just question his desire and for me his cap number is too high.

Neither of us knows about his desire. It would seem that the improved year he just put in after overcoming injuries and working with a poor DL coach would suggest his desire is strong.

As to his cap number; it is in line with similar players. His actual salary is less than $3M.

I will always question the desire of guys that perform better in contract years than not. As far as injuries are concerned it is repeatedly stated by players and former players that no one is ever 100% healthy in the NFL guys simply suck it up just play through them.

From the sites I am looking at if he stays on the team for the year his money is $9.046 million. For me that's a lot of money for what he has done.

Hopefully if he stays he will be much better with the new coach.

That is his cap number. It is in line with others at his position based on his play this season. His actual salary is $2,460,000.

Interesting, just to be clear, if he stays on the team the entire year will he have earned $2.46 million or $9.046 million after 2019?

Appreciate it.

Originally posted by LasVegasWally:

Originally posted by Niner4ever:

Originally posted by LasVegasWally:

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by Niner4ever:
Agree. Time to move on from Armstead. Use his money to go get DeMarcus Lawrence & Earl Thomas.

Lawrence will never reach the market.

We have plenty of money to sign Thomas if he wants to join Uncle Sherm in sticking it to the Seahawks for hanging him out to dry with a tag.

There is no financial reason for moving Armstead. If we did we would just have to replace him with someone else. We need him for depth if nothing else.

Good post dj!

If Cards take Bosa - we could take Qwill and trade AA - there are guys like Blair that can step in too

If the Cardinals take Bosa as they should then the team should trade down and pick up as many picks as it can and pick up an area of need then.

I'm good with seeing what Blair can do too. There is no sense in having Armstead being your 4th highest paid player for just "depth" it sends the wrong message to the team in that we'll carry you even if you have been an often injured player that hasn't met expectations of being a former first rounder. Garcon has to go too.

Respectfully disagree.

We don't have any "Impact" guys on D - except for Buck.

IMO, we need difference makers and QWill is an immediate difference maker.

We don't need a bunch of good to average guys from extra picks - we need a violent, aggressive steam-roller to attack and cause havoc.

IMO, QWill is that type of player

Originally posted by 9erReign:

I could see Lynch drafting QWill and trading Buck to the Pats.

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by Niner4ever:

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by Niner4ever:

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by Niner4ever:

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by Bluefalcon61:

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:
Is this from 3 years ago? Captain klutz knocking his own guys out of the way. Nothing has changed.

must be 3 years ago. nowadays, he's just always late off the snap and knocks his own guys out of the way

No, he is not "always late off the snap." He is on some occasions but not on others. That should tell us that better coaching will correct the problem.

As I said above, if Saleh and Shanahan felt it was an uncorrectable player issue they would not have replaced Zgonina. That move says a lot about what to expect from not only Armstead but Solomon Thomas as well. They are part of the package.

Seems like with the change in D- line coach they are of the impression that that group can improve or do better, I agree. It also seems like Armstead might be retained. If it improves him good for the team. I just question his desire and for me his cap number is too high.

Neither of us knows about his desire. It would seem that the improved year he just put in after overcoming injuries and working with a poor DL coach would suggest his desire is strong.

As to his cap number; it is in line with similar players. His actual salary is less than $3M.

I will always question the desire of guys that perform better in contract years than not. As far as injuries are concerned it is repeatedly stated by players and former players that no one is ever 100% healthy in the NFL guys simply suck it up just play through them.

From the sites I am looking at if he stays on the team for the year his money is $9.046 million. For me that's a lot of money for what he has done.

Hopefully if he stays he will be much better with the new coach.

That is his cap number. It is in line with others at his position based on his play this season. His actual salary is $2,460,000.

Interesting, just to be clear, if he stays on the team the entire year will he have earned $2.46 million or $9.046 million after 2019?

Appreciate it.

It is a function of how his signing bonus is distributed across the total cap. IOW, he was paid a lot up front.

Originally posted by 9erReign:

Originally posted by LasVegasWally:

Originally posted by Niner4ever:

Originally posted by LasVegasWally:

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by Niner4ever:

Agree. Time to move on from Armstead. Use his money to go get DeMarcus Lawrence & Earl Thomas.

Lawrence will never reach the market.

We have plenty of money to sign Thomas if he wants to join Uncle Sherm in sticking it to the Seahawks for hanging him out to dry with a tag.

There is no financial reason for moving Armstead. If we did we would just have to replace him with someone else. We need him for depth if nothing else.

Good post dj!

If Cards take Bosa - we could take Qwill and trade AA - there are guys like Blair that can step in too

If the Cardinals take Bosa as they should then the team should trade down and pick up as many picks as it can and pick up an area of need then.

I'm good with seeing what Blair can do too. There is no sense in having Armstead being your 4th highest paid player for just "depth" it sends the wrong message to the team in that we'll carry you even if you have been an often injured player that hasn't met expectations of being a former first rounder. Garcon has to go too.

Respectfully disagree.

We don't have any "Impact" guys on D - except for Buck.

IMO, we need difference makers and QWill is an immediate difference maker.

We don't need a bunch of good to average guys from extra picks - we need a violent, aggressive steam-roller to attack and cause havoc.

IMO, QWill is that type of player

I could see Lynch drafting QWill and trading Buck to the Pats.

Originally posted by Jeepzilla:

No your right.
As I understand, if he passes a physical by a certain date we could release him with zero implications to the cap and not pay him.
However, he's got a broken hand.... so he can't pass a physical, so he will get paid.

How many coaches has he had on the DL now? Has their been 3 in four years?

Hopefully the newest one they are bringing in will bring out his full potential, WITHOUT him being on IR by the 3rd or 4th game. I know he got through this year, but funny it was his contract year.