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Originally posted by Second2Nunley:
I would argue he was third best player on our defense this year. Why would you dump that? I'm rooting for Armstead in 2019
Originally posted by Bobdawg78:The thing with Armstead, is that we have guys on the roster right now who can fill in for what he does. Paying Armstead close to 9 million to do what he does is WAY TOO MUCH. If we can trade him, I would take back what ever pick we could get. If not, I would cut him to save the money (assuming he can pass a physical), and use that 9 million to sign a guy we actually need (Earl Thomas). I know we have tons of cap space, but that doesn't mean it is good business to just over pay people, just to over pay them.
Getting AA off that 9 million is smart business, if management really likes what AA brings to the table, we could then look to get him resigned for something more like 4-5 million, or just let him go.
Originally posted by Bobdawg78:I am hoping for a Brandon Graham signing to go along with Nick Bosa falling to number 2 to us. This way we roll with Graham-Buckner-Solomon-Bosa along the front 4 on passing downs.
Originally posted by Furlow:Originally posted by Bobdawg78:I am hoping for a Brandon Graham signing to go along with Nick Bosa falling to number 2 to us. This way we roll with Graham-Buckner-Solomon-Bosa along the front 4 on passing downs.
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Originally posted by IGSXIII:Originally posted by Furlow:Originally posted by Bobdawg78:I am hoping for a Brandon Graham signing to go along with Nick Bosa falling to number 2 to us. This way we roll with Graham-Buckner-Solomon-Bosa along the front 4 on passing downs.
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Originally posted by walker807:Originally posted by IGSXIII:Originally posted by Furlow:Originally posted by Bobdawg78:I am hoping for a Brandon Graham signing to go along with Nick Bosa falling to number 2 to us. This way we roll with Graham-Buckner-Solomon-Bosa along the front 4 on passing downs.
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Graham would be awesome. We need a veteran on the dline one way or the other. With Franklin gone Blair is the oldest on the roster at 26. Were ridiculously young right now on the Dline.
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Originally posted by RonMexico:
Originally posted by dj43:
Originally posted by Bobdawg78:
The thing with Armstead, is that we have guys on the roster right now who can fill in for what he does. Paying Armstead close to 9 million to do what he does is WAY TOO MUCH. If we can trade him, I would take back what ever pick we could get. If not, I would cut him to save the money (assuming he can pass a physical), and use that 9 million to sign a guy we actually need (Earl Thomas). I know we have tons of cap space, but that doesn't mean it is good business to just over pay people, just to over pay them.
Getting AA off that 9 million is smart business, if management really likes what AA brings to the table, we could then look to get him resigned for something more like 4-5 million, or just let him go.
It may be "smart" to pay him less, however, $9M is right in the middle of other 4-3 DEs that rank at the same level as Armstead.
If Lynch were to offer his agent $4M APY the conversation would not even include a "good bye." Earl Mitchell got $4M this past season and he gone. That is the kind of player you get for $4M.
According to overthecap, there are 20 guys on their second contract who are starters and earning over $8M APY. Armstead isn't at the top of that group but he is in it.
As others have said, let's see what Kocurek can do with him. It is obvious from Shanahan's action in firing Zgonina that Kyle believes there is a lot more production possible from the guys that are on the roster now.
Who is the same level as armstead
Originally posted by pasodoc9er:power blocking works much better in bad weather and obviously the pats excelled at home and at kc.
As far as pancaking goes, at least we got to see a FORMER 49er in the run up game to the SB, and now big old Trent Brown GOES to the SB. And like you said he pancaked people, (while protecting the best QB in the game). The irony of all this is a tad more than just ...well, aw shucks. We didn't get taken but it highlites a smash 'em and gash 'em vs a ZBS, where the emphasis is on zone blocking , not power blocking. The final result of the trade however, was that overall BB got a lot more of what he wanted and needed with big Trent than what we got....and McG is not chopped liver. It just turned out PATs got more out of the trade than we did overall. Exactly like the trade for JimmmyG...we got more out of the trade than the PATS did....but that was a special situation where BB had to do something he didn't want to do.
It apppears the power blocking hasn't worked out too badly for Coach Bellichick. And their run game hasn't suffered either. Just goes to show there is more then one way to skin a cat....or in this case, have a couple of no name RBs do well in a beefy OL that just powers over defenders.
Just out of curiosity, did we somehow make a wrong turn somewhere? I love watching the Kyle O go. But the Trent trade just goes to show you can power block your way to the top, no ZBS required. Wonder if there will be a shift back to more power blocking in the next few yrs. ZBS seems to allow any RB who is decent run the ball well. But it seems so does Power blocking. But without ZBS, we never would have gotten kyle here, and in the end, that is what many, if not most of us wanted.
NCommand used the word "irony", and i was thinking a lot about that watching the PATS beat KC en route to the SB. Especially when it came to the OL and blocking for their RBs. Power blocking did just fine, and i don't recall their QB , what's-his-name, getting beaten to a pulp like our QBs have had to endure.
There's irony here on so many levels it is mind blowing. Thing is both schemes work. But Brady made it thru most of the yr mostly untouched and our QBs got mugged every game. And THAT is worth worrying about. Brady has been there HOW many yrs now? And HE has been protected. There is the big downside to ZBS, or at least ours, anyway.. It is my fervent hope that kyle makes it mandatory for all of our ZBS guys, that they be able to successfully protect our QBs from here on out. Especially now that we have OUR FR QB.
Originally posted by walker807:
Who can set the edge like AA? Why are none of these guys so much as making him sweat about losing his starting job? Probably because all there resumes read 'Armsteads backup'. Blair is slightly better in third and long but nowhere close on running downs. Even with all of AA's injuries, Blair has never logged more snaps than him in a season. Hes a rotational guy. I have high hopes for Street as a cheaper option and Taylor is a possibility but why not make them earn it? As of today AA is the clear cut starter at BE.
Originally posted by FaTaL:Originally posted by walker807:Who can set the edge like AA? Why are none of these guys so much as making him sweat about losing his starting job? Probably because all there resumes read 'Armsteads backup'. Blair is slightly better in third and long but nowhere close on running downs. Even with all of AA's injuries, Blair has never logged more snaps than him in a season. Hes a rotational guy. I have high hopes for Street as a cheaper option and Taylor is a possibility but why not make them earn it? As of today AA is the clear cut starter at BE.
its amazing how all these people on this board can think a guy coming off a acl and a guy drafted in the 7th round can replace armstead. he does what hes asked in this scheme, stop the run. how often did you even see him on passing downs rushing from inside? blair was really good at leo when he got his opportunities, he can play everywhere on the line but he cant play big end as a starter
Originally posted by m_brockalexander:
Originally posted by FaTaL:
Originally posted by walker807:
Who can set the edge like AA? Why are none of these guys so much as making him sweat about losing his starting job? Probably because all there resumes read 'Armsteads backup'. Blair is slightly better in third and long but nowhere close on running downs. Even with all of AA's injuries, Blair has never logged more snaps than him in a season. Hes a rotational guy. I have high hopes for Street as a cheaper option and Taylor is a possibility but why not make them earn it? As of today AA is the clear cut starter at BE.
its amazing how all these people on this board can think a guy coming off a acl and a guy drafted in the 7th round can replace armstead. he does what hes asked in this scheme, stop the run. how often did you even see him on passing downs rushing from inside? blair was really good at leo when he got his opportunities, he can play everywhere on the line but he cant play big end as a starter
One decent, healthy year does not make a career. Armstead is not worth the $9 million a year the Niners are paying him. I would much rather trade him to a 3-4 team that could use his skill set for a mid round pick and then sign/draft some edge rushers.
Originally posted by dj43:Originally posted by m_brockalexander:Originally posted by FaTaL:Originally posted by walker807:Who can set the edge like AA? Why are none of these guys so much as making him sweat about losing his starting job? Probably because all there resumes read 'Armsteads backup'. Blair is slightly better in third and long but nowhere close on running downs. Even with all of AA's injuries, Blair has never logged more snaps than him in a season. Hes a rotational guy. I have high hopes for Street as a cheaper option and Taylor is a possibility but why not make them earn it? As of today AA is the clear cut starter at BE.
its amazing how all these people on this board can think a guy coming off a acl and a guy drafted in the 7th round can replace armstead. he does what hes asked in this scheme, stop the run. how often did you even see him on passing downs rushing from inside? blair was really good at leo when he got his opportunities, he can play everywhere on the line but he cant play big end as a starter
One decent, healthy year does not make a career. Armstead is not worth the $9 million a year the Niners are paying him. I would much rather trade him to a 3-4 team that could use his skill set for a mid round pick and then sign/draft some edge rushers.
We will certainly draft an ER, maybe two. As to his trade value, if we cannot get more than a 4th, we don't trade him. Highly unlikely we will be able to replace his contribution with a 4th round draft pick.
There will not be any decent pass rushing ERs that will actually get to the market as a FA.
As to his relative value in the market, see my recent post in the Cap Casualties thread. (He is worth what the 49ers are paying him when you compare him to similar players. Market value.) It is just that we are all disappointed he has not yet lived up to his draft slot as a pass rusher, and, as you say, one year has not assuaged the disappointment of so much lost time due to injury.
Originally posted by pasodoc9er:
Originally posted by dj43:
Originally posted by m_brockalexander:
Originally posted by FaTaL:
Originally posted by walker807:
Who can set the edge like AA? Why are none of these guys so much as making him sweat about losing his starting job? Probably because all there resumes read 'Armsteads backup'. Blair is slightly better in third and long but nowhere close on running downs. Even with all of AA's injuries, Blair has never logged more snaps than him in a season. Hes a rotational guy. I have high hopes for Street as a cheaper option and Taylor is a possibility but why not make them earn it? As of today AA is the clear cut starter at BE.
its amazing how all these people on this board can think a guy coming off a acl and a guy drafted in the 7th round can replace armstead. he does what hes asked in this scheme, stop the run. how often did you even see him on passing downs rushing from inside? blair was really good at leo when he got his opportunities, he can play everywhere on the line but he cant play big end as a starter
One decent, healthy year does not make a career. Armstead is not worth the $9 million a year the Niners are paying him. I would much rather trade him to a 3-4 team that could use his skill set for a mid round pick and then sign/draft some edge rushers.
We will certainly draft an ER, maybe two. As to his trade value, if we cannot get more than a 4th, we don't trade him. Highly unlikely we will be able to replace his contribution with a 4th round draft pick.
There will not be any decent pass rushing ERs that will actually get to the market as a FA.
As to his relative value in the market, see my recent post in the Cap Casualties thread. (He is worth what the 49ers are paying him when you compare him to similar players. Market value.) It is just that we are all disappointed he has not yet lived up to his draft slot as a pass rusher, and, as you say, one year has not assuaged the disappointment of so much lost time due to injury.
Agreed on the ER issue, but i hope we still FA an ER or two who ahve some talent. If FA talent is that bad, fine.. but at least by one ER in FA. We need a pair and even if we were to get Bosa we stiil need another ER.