Jacksonville Jaguar Arik Armstead-DT Thread

Originally posted by English:

Originally posted by bopicksix:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
They already signed him for $9 million for one year didn't they. That makes him very easy to trade if they draft Williams and find him expendable. The new team wouldn't be taking on a huge salary and he is still young.

Drafting Williams means shopping Buckner if anyone. Buckner would not beat out AA at BE

You keep going back to shopping Buckner. Not happening. Not happening.

At this point, he is just trolling or never played football in his life. How QW would be a perfect NT in this scheme and rush as a 3 tech in nickel. I don't understand the confusion. Buckner is not going anywhere.

Originally posted by ChazBoner:

Originally posted by susweel:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by BuZzB05:

That true. He is not worth for 9 millions. Dont signed him please. Let him to walk away. We need save our cap space $$$

They already signed him for $9 million for one year didn't they. That makes him very easy to trade if they draft Williams and find him expendable. The new team wouldn't be taking on a huge salary and he is still young.

No other gm is dumb enough to pay AA that kind of money.

this.
we're stuck with him.

And Pinion wont get paid as a top 10 punter....oh wait.

Originally posted by Young2Rice:

Bucker and Ford are the only starting caliber Defensive linemen we have. Rest are rotational guys imo.

Originally posted by Waterbear:

At this point, he is just trolling or never played football in his life. How QW would be a perfect NT in this scheme and rush as a 3 tech in nickel. I don't understand the confusion. Buckner is not going anywhere.

Not trolling but I am relieved to have hit my daily quota of being called a troll for sharing my 2c. and I have in fact played in many a turkey bowl and was a star at the tight end position but retired young borland was right about cte

Originally posted by Waterbear:
At this point, he is just trolling or never played football in his life. How QW would be a perfect NT in this scheme and rush as a 3 tech in nickel. I don't understand the confusion. Buckner is not going anywhere.

I disagree that Buckner is not going anywhere. He may be going to the Pro Bowl with the increased help from the edge rushers this year.

Originally posted by bopicksix:

Originally posted by Young2Rice:

Bucker and Ford are the only starting caliber Defensive linemen we have. Rest are rotational guys imo.

Originally posted by Waterbear:

At this point, he is just trolling or never played football in his life. How QW would be a perfect NT in this scheme and rush as a 3 tech in nickel. I don't understand the confusion. Buckner is not going anywhere.

Not trolling but I am relieved to have hit my daily quota of being called a troll for sharing my 2c. and I have in fact played in many a turkey bowl and was a star at the tight end position but retired young borland was right about cte

You and others keep saying he's not a NT when that is in fact what he is. Hes just a NT that can also rush as a 3-tech. If you're all you're saying is you would trade Buckner I wouldn't care at all.

But spreading this idea that he's not a NT is just factually incorrect and it's not just my opinion or yours, it's just a fact.

And really it doesn't matter if you've played football honestly because you can know the game even if you have never put on a helmet. I just question people's knowledge of the game if they think QW and Buckner playing together would cause one of them to play out of position. It's just not true.

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by Waterbear:

At this point, he is just trolling or never played football in his life. How QW would be a perfect NT in this scheme and rush as a 3 tech in nickel. I don't understand the confusion. Buckner is not going anywhere.

I disagree that Buckner is not going anywhere. He may be going to the Pro Bowl with the increased help from the edge rushers this year.

Hopefully All-pro cause he already made the probowl.

Originally posted by Waterbear:

You and others keep saying he's not a NT when that is in fact what he is. Hes just a NT that can also rush as a 3-tech. If you're all you're saying is you would trade Buckner I wouldn't care at all.

But spreading this idea that he's not a NT is just factually incorrect and it's not just my opinion or yours, it's just a fact.

And really it doesn't matter if you've played football honestly because you can know the game even if you have never put on a helmet. I just question people's knowledge of the game if they think QW and Buckner playing together would cause one of them to play out of position. It's just not true.

I have never said anything about qw's ability or inability to play nose. I have in fact said that they could co-exist -it just wouldn't be the best use of resources to do so.

Qw if drafted would immediately become #1 on the depth chart for the group of IDLs. IDL is stacked behind Buckner. Buckner would not beat AA at BE, AA is better there. Now you have an incredibly valuable bargaining chip who is your 2nd best interior DLmen, is relatively cheap, and have solid depth behind him. Hoarding resources dimishes value and an extension is looming. That presents an opportunity that can't be ignored if you want to build a sustainable winner.

Originally posted by bopicksix:

Originally posted by Waterbear:
You and others keep saying he's not a NT when that is in fact what he is. Hes just a NT that can also rush as a 3-tech. If you're all you're saying is you would trade Buckner I wouldn't care at all.

But spreading this idea that he's not a NT is just factually incorrect and it's not just my opinion or yours, it's just a fact.

And really it doesn't matter if you've played football honestly because you can know the game even if you have never put on a helmet. I just question people's knowledge of the game if they think QW and Buckner playing together would cause one of them to play out of position. It's just not true.

I have never said anything about qw's ability or inability to play nose. I have in fact said that they could co-exist -it just wouldn't be the best use of resources to do so.

Qw if drafted would immediately become #1 on the depth chart for the group of IDLs. IDL is stacked behind Buckner. Buckner would not beat AA at BE, AA is better there. Now you have an incredibly valuable bargaining chip who is your 2nd best interior DLmen, is relatively cheap, and have solid depth behind him. Hoarding resources dimishes value and an extension is looming. That presents an opportunity that can't be ignored if you want to build a sustainable winner.

I was in your corner with the 'trade DeFo' idea, simply for discussions sake, but you lost me with the bolded statement. The only thing AA can beat DeFo at is number of trips to IR.

Originally posted by thl408:

I was in your corner with the 'trade DeFo' idea, simply for discussions sake, but you lost me with the bolded statement. The only thing AA can beat DeFo at is number of trips to IR.

AA short area quickness/size/strength allows him to win the position battle on the edge which is why he is flat out dominant against the run and still serviceable at getting pressure on passing downs. Bucker is great where he is at, but you can't win with brute strength alone on the edge.

Originally posted by bopicksix:

Originally posted by thl408:
I was in your corner with the 'trade DeFo' idea, simply for discussions sake, but you lost me with the bolded statement. The only thing AA can beat DeFo at is number of trips to IR.

AA short area quickness/size/strength allows him to win the position battle on the edge which is why he is flat out dominant against the run and still serviceable at getting pressure on passing downs. Bucker is great where he is at, but you can't win with brute strength alone on the edge.

You are the first person to use 'AA' and 'short area quickness' in the same sentence. I think having him use size and length to push the middle of the pocket is his best way to contribute.

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by bopicksix:

Originally posted by thl408:

I was in your corner with the 'trade DeFo' idea, simply for discussions sake, but you lost me with the bolded statement. The only thing AA can beat DeFo at is number of trips to IR.

AA short area quickness/size/strength allows him to win the position battle on the edge which is why he is flat out dominant against the run and still serviceable at getting pressure on passing downs. Bucker is great where he is at, but you can't win with brute strength alone on the edge.

You are the first person to use 'AA' and 'short area quickness' in the same sentence. I think having him use size and length to push the middle of the pocket is his best way to contribute.

Lol AA beat out buckner yea AA has his moments if the runner runs directly at him other than that he's usually stumbling to the ground

Originally posted by thl408:

You are the first person to use 'AA' and 'short area quickness' in the same sentence. I think having him use size and length to push the middle of the pocket is his best way to contribute.

I don't mind being the first. How about quick twitch strength. He is a different kind of long and strong than Buckner, much better fit at BE, one of the best in the nfl, but like you said -if healthy , a concern no doubt

Originally posted by bopicksix:

Originally posted by thl408:
You are the first person to use 'AA' and 'short area quickness' in the same sentence. I think having him use size and length to push the middle of the pocket is his best way to contribute.

I don't mind being the first. How about quick twitch strength. He is a different kind of long and strong than Buckner, much better fit at BE, one of the best in the nfl, but like you said -if healthy , a concern no doubt

AA is a lumbering ogre. Nothing about his game is quick twitch or short area quickness imo. He can push straight ahead with power and length to move the QB off his spot in the pocket. There's value in that and I'm hoping he provides that this season.

I know I didn't just read AA and short-area quickness in the same sentence.

Originally posted by bopicksix:

Originally posted by Waterbear:

You and others keep saying he's not a NT when that is in fact what he is. Hes just a NT that can also rush as a 3-tech. If you're all you're saying is you would trade Buckner I wouldn't care at all.

But spreading this idea that he's not a NT is just factually incorrect and it's not just my opinion or yours, it's just a fact.

And really it doesn't matter if you've played football honestly because you can know the game even if you have never put on a helmet. I just question people's knowledge of the game if they think QW and Buckner playing together would cause one of them to play out of position. It's just not true.

I have never said anything about qw's ability or inability to play nose. I have in fact said that they could co-exist -it just wouldn't be the best use of resources to do so.

Qw if drafted would immediately become #1 on the depth chart for the group of IDLs. IDL is stacked behind Buckner. Buckner would not beat AA at BE, AA is better there. Now you have an incredibly valuable bargaining chip who is your 2nd best interior DLmen, is relatively cheap, and have solid depth behind him. Hoarding resources dimishes value and an extension is looming. That presents an opportunity that can't be ignored if you want to build a sustainable winner.

Again you're missing me here. Why would Buckner play at BE at all? Buckner is a full time 3-tech while QW is a NT and 3tech.

You can play two interior dline man at all times. That's what is getting me confused with your answer. In no situation would Buckner NEED to play BE if QW was the pick.

Thomas and AA are busts as far as I'm concerened. At least AA has done something and proven that he could be a solid 3-4 DE IMO. But he's not quick or sudden like you say he is. He's strong and maybe faster than Buckner, but he's not a great fit at BE in this system at all.