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  • thl408
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Originally posted by jonesadrian:
Originally posted by thl408:
Accidentally posted this in the AA thread:

We should state the difference between a guy that hits hard, and a guy that is ready to transition to ILB. Just because Tartt can lay the wood, it doesn't mean he can move to ILB in a nickel package where there is only one true LB, and offenses will try to exploit by running the ball. All ILBs love to hit, but not all guys that love to hit can play ILB.

Going from getting his keys (where to look) from the WR/TE to getting his keys from the OLinemen is a big adjustment. Safeties key the WR/TE to determine what to do as their first movement after the ball is snapped (depending on the playcall). ILBs will key the OL/TE/RB depending on the defensive playcall. Reading 'low hat' or 'high hat' (level of the Oline's helmets) isn't as easy as it sounds, and having a hesitant ILB would be a huge weakness.

Then there's the whole taking on Guards issue that would be the biggest adjustment for a DB moving to ILB. Tartt is big, but he's still a DB that isn't used to taking on Olinemen. Wilhoite played multiple positions in college, but he was at 240. So he was out of place as a safety and never projected as a DB past college. Tartt will have to make a significant adjustment or he will be out of place as an ILB. Us saying he will play ILB is just speculation on our part (unless I missed a Baalke/Tomsula interview stating Tartt would move to ILB).
is it out of the realm of possibility that he is used that way strictly on obvious passing downs with no threat of the run?
Not to make him a ILB converted but to strictly be in on passing downs only and his responsibilities are either coverage of the tight end (graham) or a zone lurk look so he'll never have to do those things a true ILB has to do?

just curious

What you described is very possible. What you're describing is using a dime defense (6 DBs) to combat a 3 WR set. I can see a sub package including Tartt (3CBs/3safeties) versus a 3WR set, but if the offense goes 4 WR, a 4th CB must be used instead of Tartt.
Originally posted by thl408:
Originally posted by jonesadrian:
Originally posted by thl408:
Accidentally posted this in the AA thread:

We should state the difference between a guy that hits hard, and a guy that is ready to transition to ILB. Just because Tartt can lay the wood, it doesn't mean he can move to ILB in a nickel package where there is only one true LB, and offenses will try to exploit by running the ball. All ILBs love to hit, but not all guys that love to hit can play ILB.

Going from getting his keys (where to look) from the WR/TE to getting his keys from the OLinemen is a big adjustment. Safeties key the WR/TE to determine what to do as their first movement after the ball is snapped (depending on the playcall). ILBs will key the OL/TE/RB depending on the defensive playcall. Reading 'low hat' or 'high hat' (level of the Oline's helmets) isn't as easy as it sounds, and having a hesitant ILB would be a huge weakness.

Then there's the whole taking on Guards issue that would be the biggest adjustment for a DB moving to ILB. Tartt is big, but he's still a DB that isn't used to taking on Olinemen. Wilhoite played multiple positions in college, but he was at 240. So he was out of place as a safety and never projected as a DB past college. Tartt will have to make a significant adjustment or he will be out of place as an ILB. Us saying he will play ILB is just speculation on our part (unless I missed a Baalke/Tomsula interview stating Tartt would move to ILB).
is it out of the realm of possibility that he is used that way strictly on obvious passing downs with no threat of the run?
Not to make him a ILB converted but to strictly be in on passing downs only and his responsibilities are either coverage of the tight end (graham) or a zone lurk look so he'll never have to do those things a true ILB has to do?

just curious

What you described is very possible. What you're describing is using a dime defense (6 DBs) to combat a 3 WR set. I can see a sub package including Tartt (3CBs/3safeties) versus a 3WR set, but if the offense goes 4 WR, a 4th CB must be used instead of Tartt.
so there's no scenario as of yet where he is the pass catching tight end coverage specialist?
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Originally posted by jonesadrian:
Originally posted by thl408:
Originally posted by jonesadrian:
Originally posted by thl408:
Accidentally posted this in the AA thread:

We should state the difference between a guy that hits hard, and a guy that is ready to transition to ILB. Just because Tartt can lay the wood, it doesn't mean he can move to ILB in a nickel package where there is only one true LB, and offenses will try to exploit by running the ball. All ILBs love to hit, but not all guys that love to hit can play ILB.

Going from getting his keys (where to look) from the WR/TE to getting his keys from the OLinemen is a big adjustment. Safeties key the WR/TE to determine what to do as their first movement after the ball is snapped (depending on the playcall). ILBs will key the OL/TE/RB depending on the defensive playcall. Reading 'low hat' or 'high hat' (level of the Oline's helmets) isn't as easy as it sounds, and having a hesitant ILB would be a huge weakness.

Then there's the whole taking on Guards issue that would be the biggest adjustment for a DB moving to ILB. Tartt is big, but he's still a DB that isn't used to taking on Olinemen. Wilhoite played multiple positions in college, but he was at 240. So he was out of place as a safety and never projected as a DB past college. Tartt will have to make a significant adjustment or he will be out of place as an ILB. Us saying he will play ILB is just speculation on our part (unless I missed a Baalke/Tomsula interview stating Tartt would move to ILB).
is it out of the realm of possibility that he is used that way strictly on obvious passing downs with no threat of the run?
Not to make him a ILB converted but to strictly be in on passing downs only and his responsibilities are either coverage of the tight end (graham) or a zone lurk look so he'll never have to do those things a true ILB has to do?

just curious

What you described is very possible. What you're describing is using a dime defense (6 DBs) to combat a 3 WR set. I can see a sub package including Tartt (3CBs/3safeties) versus a 3WR set, but if the offense goes 4 WR, a 4th CB must be used instead of Tartt.
so there's no scenario as of yet where he is the pass catching tight end coverage specialist?

Not sure what you meant. That he is a man coverage specialist on TEs? I know very little about how he was used in college. Whether he was in man coverage or not. From what I've read, it seems he played single high safety, which does not put him in man coverage. If you are suggesting he be assigned to Jimmy Graham, I would be a bit wary of that. You need length to man up on Graham. Tartt has size, but that size comes in the form of his weight. Fangio's 49ers have always bracketed Graham.
Originally posted by crake49:
No frosted pop tarts? Graham crackers with powdered sugar? Plain rice cakes? Poor guys.

FIRST WORLD PROBLEMS!

#TheStruggleIsReal
Originally posted by thl408:
Originally posted by jonesadrian:
Originally posted by thl408:
Accidentally posted this in the AA thread:

We should state the difference between a guy that hits hard, and a guy that is ready to transition to ILB. Just because Tartt can lay the wood, it doesn't mean he can move to ILB in a nickel package where there is only one true LB, and offenses will try to exploit by running the ball. All ILBs love to hit, but not all guys that love to hit can play ILB.

Going from getting his keys (where to look) from the WR/TE to getting his keys from the OLinemen is a big adjustment. Safeties key the WR/TE to determine what to do as their first movement after the ball is snapped (depending on the playcall). ILBs will key the OL/TE/RB depending on the defensive playcall. Reading 'low hat' or 'high hat' (level of the Oline's helmets) isn't as easy as it sounds, and having a hesitant ILB would be a huge weakness.

Then there's the whole taking on Guards issue that would be the biggest adjustment for a DB moving to ILB. Tartt is big, but he's still a DB that isn't used to taking on Olinemen. Wilhoite played multiple positions in college, but he was at 240. So he was out of place as a safety and never projected as a DB past college. Tartt will have to make a significant adjustment or he will be out of place as an ILB. Us saying he will play ILB is just speculation on our part (unless I missed a Baalke/Tomsula interview stating Tartt would move to ILB).
is it out of the realm of possibility that he is used that way strictly on obvious passing downs with no threat of the run?
Not to make him a ILB converted but to strictly be in on passing downs only and his responsibilities are either coverage of the tight end (graham) or a zone lurk look so he'll never have to do those things a true ILB has to do?

just curious

What you described is very possible. What you're describing is using a dime defense (6 DBs) to combat a 3 WR set. I can see a sub package including Tartt (3CBs/3safeties) versus a 3WR set, but if the offense goes 4 WR, a 4th CB must be used instead of Tartt.

I think this is exactly what Baalke has in mind. I know Baalke also alluded to potentially using Johnson inside at the slot when we face the taller WR's/TE's like Graham...so he must be thinking in some form (man). But I imagine with this Tartt pick, we may be able to keep Johnson on the outside now.

Sorry I was late to the party...was looking through the house for pop tarts...and rice cakes...and graham crackers with powdered sugar.
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Originally posted by bors:
Originally posted by KezarLivin:
Originally posted by phatbutskinny:
lol

JacQuizz Rodgers ‏@Qui22Rodgers 9m9 minutes ago
Jacquiski Tartt..Dang I thought my name was extra unique you beat me with that name haha

Is he Russian? Ukrainian?

Black russian

Polish....they're skis not skys.
Originally posted by jonesadrian:
Originally posted by thl408:
Accidentally posted this in the AA thread:

We should state the difference between a guy that hits hard, and a guy that is ready to transition to ILB. Just because Tartt can lay the wood, it doesn't mean he can move to ILB in a nickel package where there is only one true LB, and offenses will try to exploit by running the ball. All ILBs love to hit, but not all guys that love to hit can play ILB.

Going from getting his keys (where to look) from the WR/TE to getting his keys from the OLinemen is a big adjustment. Safeties key the WR/TE to determine what to do as their first movement after the ball is snapped (depending on the playcall). ILBs will key the OL/TE/RB depending on the defensive playcall. Reading 'low hat' or 'high hat' (level of the Oline's helmets) isn't as easy as it sounds, and having a hesitant ILB would be a huge weakness.

Then there's the whole taking on Guards issue that would be the biggest adjustment for a DB moving to ILB. Tartt is big, but he's still a DB that isn't used to taking on Olinemen. Wilhoite played multiple positions in college, but he was at 240. So he was out of place as a safety and never projected as a DB past college. Tartt will have to make a significant adjustment or he will be out of place as an ILB. Us saying he will play ILB is just speculation on our part (unless I missed a Baalke/Tomsula interview stating Tartt would move to ILB).
is it out of the realm of possibility that he is used that way strictly on obvious passing downs with no threat of the run?
Not to make him a ILB converted but to strictly be in on passing downs only and his responsibilities are either coverage of the tight end (graham) or a zone lurk look so he'll never have to do those things a true ILB has to do?

just curious

This exactly know can expect him to play ilb but on third and long were running the ball isn't gonna doit I think he would excel.
How can you not be stoked about this guy...he was an unknown before the Senior Bowl where he turned a lot of scouts and coaches' heads. We haven't had an intelligent enforcer for awhile...man, this guy can lay the freakin' wood. Anyone assuming he's another Taylor Mays has another think coming.
I believe this is going to be the best pick in this class
Originally posted by thl408:
Accidentally posted this in the AA thread:

We should state the difference between a guy that hits hard, and a guy that is ready to transition to ILB. Just because Tartt can lay the wood, it doesn't mean he can move to ILB in a nickel package where there is only one true LB, and offenses will try to exploit by running the ball. All ILBs love to hit, but not all guys that love to hit can play ILB.

Going from getting his keys (where to look) from the WR/TE to getting his keys from the OLinemen is a big adjustment. Safeties key the WR/TE to determine what to do as their first movement after the ball is snapped (depending on the playcall). ILBs will key the OL/TE/RB depending on the defensive playcall. Reading 'low hat' or 'high hat' (level of the Oline's helmets) isn't as easy as it sounds, and having a hesitant ILB would be a huge weakness.

Then there's the whole taking on Guards issue that would be the biggest adjustment for a DB moving to ILB. Tartt is big, but he's still a DB that isn't used to taking on Olinemen. Wilhoite played multiple positions in college, but he was at 240. So he was out of place as a safety and never projected as a DB past college. Tartt will have to make a significant adjustment or he will be out of place as an ILB. Us saying he will play ILB is just speculation on our part (unless I missed a Baalke/Tomsula interview stating Tartt would move to ILB).

Nickel package with one true LB?
Quaski Tartt‏@QuaskiT

When you have two pro bowls safeties in front of you like @E_Reid35 and @ABethea41 you shouldn't expect to start you should expect to learn


RETWEETS24FAVORITES38
9:47 PM - 4 May 2015
Originally posted by 49ers808:
Originally posted by thl408:
Accidentally posted this in the AA thread:

We should state the difference between a guy that hits hard, and a guy that is ready to transition to ILB. Just because Tartt can lay the wood, it doesn't mean he can move to ILB in a nickel package where there is only one true LB, and offenses will try to exploit by running the ball. All ILBs love to hit, but not all guys that love to hit can play ILB.

Going from getting his keys (where to look) from the WR/TE to getting his keys from the OLinemen is a big adjustment. Safeties key the WR/TE to determine what to do as their first movement after the ball is snapped (depending on the playcall). ILBs will key the OL/TE/RB depending on the defensive playcall. Reading 'low hat' or 'high hat' (level of the Oline's helmets) isn't as easy as it sounds, and having a hesitant ILB would be a huge weakness.

Then there's the whole taking on Guards issue that would be the biggest adjustment for a DB moving to ILB. Tartt is big, but he's still a DB that isn't used to taking on Olinemen. Wilhoite played multiple positions in college, but he was at 240. So he was out of place as a safety and never projected as a DB past college. Tartt will have to make a significant adjustment or he will be out of place as an ILB. Us saying he will play ILB is just speculation on our part (unless I missed a Baalke/Tomsula interview stating Tartt would move to ILB).

Nickel package with one true LB?

Nevermind I see what you meant after reading again
Originally posted by NorthBay49er:
Quaski Tartt‏@QuaskiT

When you have two pro bowls safeties in front of you like @E_Reid35 and @ABethea41 you shouldn't expect to start you should expect to learn


RETWEETS24FAVORITES38
9:47 PM - 4 May 2015

this doot aint even coming in with an attitude of trying to start

meanwhile we got coaches telling a rookie punter its open competition against the greatest punter in 49ers history.






Originally posted by thl408:
Accidentally posted this in the AA thread:

We should state the difference between a guy that hits hard, and a guy that is ready to transition to ILB. Just because Tartt can lay the wood, it doesn't mean he can move to ILB in a nickel package where there is only one true LB, and offenses will try to exploit by running the ball. All ILBs love to hit, but not all guys that love to hit can play ILB.

Going from getting his keys (where to look) from the WR/TE to getting his keys from the OLinemen is a big adjustment. Safeties key the WR/TE to determine what to do as their first movement after the ball is snapped (depending on the playcall). ILBs will key the OL/TE/RB depending on the defensive playcall. Reading 'low hat' or 'high hat' (level of the Oline's helmets) isn't as easy as it sounds, and having a hesitant ILB would be a huge weakness.

Then there's the whole taking on Guards issue that would be the biggest adjustment for a DB moving to ILB. Tartt is big, but he's still a DB that isn't used to taking on Olinemen. Wilhoite played multiple positions in college, but he was at 240. So he was out of place as a safety and never projected as a DB past college. Tartt will have to make a significant adjustment or he will be out of place as an ILB. Us saying he will play ILB is just speculation on our part (unless I missed a Baalke/Tomsula interview stating Tartt would move to ILB).

We clearly have different backgrounds. In my experience, ilbs and safeties both take their initial reads from the guards. The distance from the LOS would be a tough adjustment, though.
Originally posted by ads_2006:
Originally posted by NorthBay49er:
Quaski Tartt‏@QuaskiT

When you have two pro bowls safeties in front of you like @E_Reid35 and @ABethea41 you shouldn't expect to start you should expect to learn


RETWEETS24FAVORITES38
9:47 PM - 4 May 2015

this doot aint even coming in with an attitude of trying to start

meanwhile we got coaches telling a rookie punter its open competition against the greatest punter in 49ers history.







lol or hes just humble and smart. learning from two probowlers will only benefit him. itll be much better for him than just going in liek an arrogant know it all rookie who tries to get by on natural talent. i like his approach
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