RB Mike Davis

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by OnTheClock:
If Taylor can pass protect better, that could all but push Davis off the team.

I still think that Hyde, Davis and Taylor are the most likely group of RBs. Davis can provide some of that power running in between the tackles that Kelly was aiming for with Murray last year but then their OL fell apart. Good idea, bad execution.

davis was crap last year and rathman obviously could not do much with him but he is only in his second year. new coach. better line. he deserves another year IF he earns it

Originally posted by cciowa:

davis was crap last year and rathman obviously could not do much with him but he is only in his second year. new coach. better line. he deserves another year IF he earns it

Davis had like 30 carries and was injured much of the season. Considering the state of the OL I think its impossible to draw any conclusions on his viability going forwards.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by cciowa:
davis was crap last year and rathman obviously could not do much with him but he is only in his second year. new coach. better line. he deserves another year IF he earns it

Davis had like 30 carries and was injured much of the season. Considering the state of the OL I think its impossible to draw any conclusions on his viability going forwards.

This.

Right now I have:

RB1: Carlos Hyde; Mike Davis
RB2: DuJuan Harris; Kelvin Taylor

That said, we kept 5 last year...maybe one more spot for Bruce Miller or perhaps Draughn or Hayne (ST).

Originally posted by NCommand:

This.

Right now I have:

RB1: Carlos Hyde; Mike Davis
RB2: DuJuan Harris; Kelvin Taylor

That said, we kept 5 last year...maybe one more spot for Bruce Miller or perhaps Draughn or Hayne (ST).

I dont see Harris being a lock for anything. There is a reason that he's been cut from like 7 teams including Seattle and has a career average of under 4 yards a carry.


I see Harris and Draughn having to be especially impressive in comparison to the other RBs due to their age and that theyve been around quite a bit but havent done much. Harris is going to be 28 at the start of the set of the season while Draughn will turn 29 during the season. Neither is a spring chicken.


In comparison, Hyde is 24, Davis is 23 and Taylor is 22.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by cciowa:
davis was crap last year and rathman obviously could not do much with him but he is only in his second year. new coach. better line. he deserves another year IF he earns it

Davis had like 30 carries and was injured much of the season. Considering the state of the OL I think its impossible to draw any conclusions on his viability going forwards.

This.

Right now I have:

RB1: Carlos Hyde; Mike Davis
RB2: DuJuan Harris; Kelvin Taylor

That said, we kept 5 last year...maybe one more spot for Bruce Miller or perhaps Draughn or Hayne (ST).

i like draughn alot but your depth chart may be correct. miller may have to try to make it as a tight end or he will have to go back to the bars and talk trash about the front office to random patrons. who the hell knows about hayne but someone has to take that return job. every year we go into camp thinking we have great quality depth in the running back department then injuries happen so I am glad to see we have a large stable of backs. i sure do like draughn though.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
I dont see Harris being a lock for anything. There is a reason that he's been cut from like 7 teams including Seattle and has a career average of under 4 yards a carry.


I see Harris and Draughn having to be especially impressive in comparison to the other RBs due to their age and that theyve been around quite a bit but havent done much. Harris is going to be 28 at the start of the set of the season while Draughn will turn 29 during the season. Neither is a spring chicken.


In comparison, Hyde is 24, Davis is 23 and Taylor is 22.

I noticed you failed to provide thorough analysis on Hayne

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by NCommand:
This.

Right now I have:

RB1: Carlos Hyde; Mike Davis
RB2: DuJuan Harris; Kelvin Taylor

That said, we kept 5 last year...maybe one more spot for Bruce Miller or perhaps Draughn or Hayne (ST).

I dont see Harris being a lock for anything. There is a reason that he's been cut from like 7 teams including Seattle and has a career average of under 4 yards a carry.

I see Harris and Draughn having to be especially impressive in comparison to the other RBs due to their age and that theyve been around quite a bit but havent done much. Harris is going to be 28 at the start of the set of the season while Draughn will turn 29 during the season. Neither is a spring chicken.

In comparison, Hyde is 24, Davis is 23 and Taylor is 22.

Hmmm, you do bring up another valid point about age. IIRC, I went with Harris b/c the FO offered him a contract right away...Draughn took longer. I really liked the way he ran and most of his big runs were inside the G's (Tiller+Staley) but he also showed ability to run off tackle. This is going to be one of the competitions I can't wait to watch unfold. Even with the discrepancy in age, this truly is an open competition for all (save for Hyde).

Originally posted by cciowa:
i like draughn alot but your depth chart may be correct. miller may have to try to make it as a tight end or he will have to go back to the bars and talk trash about the front office to random patrons. who the hell knows about hayne but someone has to take that return job. every year we go into camp thinking we have great quality depth in the running back department then injuries happen so I am glad to see we have a large stable of backs. i sure do like draughn though.

Me too!

Originally posted by cciowa:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by cciowa:

davis was crap last year and rathman obviously could not do much with him but he is only in his second year. new coach. better line. he deserves another year IF he earns it

Davis had like 30 carries and was injured much of the season. Considering the state of the OL I think its impossible to draw any conclusions on his viability going forwards.

This.

Right now I have:

RB1: Carlos Hyde; Mike Davis
RB2: DuJuan Harris; Kelvin Taylor

That said, we kept 5 last year...maybe one more spot for Bruce Miller or perhaps Draughn or Hayne (ST).

i like draughn alot but your depth chart may be correct. miller may have to try to make it as a tight end or he will have to go back to the bars and talk trash about the front office to random patrons. who the hell knows about hayne but someone has to take that return job. every year we go into camp thinking we have great quality depth in the running back department then injuries happen so I am glad to see we have a large stable of backs. i sure do like draughn though.

To me, before pre-season I think I'd have...

RB1: Carlos Hyde; Shaun Draughn; Jarrad Hayne
RB2: DuJuan Harris; Kelvin Taylor; Mike Davis

With Davis and Draughn probably missing the final cuts only due to Baalke's preference of athleticism and potential in most cases.


Reasoning: Hayne has the size and other attributes to be a workhorse back. The fact that he's never played football before, yet seemingly outplayed the rookie Mike Davis behind the same horrific OL, showed us something. It also doesn't reflect well on Davis. Ultimately, Hayne's value on STs could be his ticket to a roster spot.

Originally posted by OnTheClock:

Hayne's value on STs could be his ticket to a roster spot.

Not if he keeps putting the football on the ground. That is his ticket back to Australia.

You can be a very dynamic returner but a fumble deep in your own territory offsets all the good stuff you might do. A major reason why Trindon Holliday kept getting cut despite being a dangerous returner.



This stuff wont cut it with Kelly and I see him having less tolerance for it than Tomsula.

Originally posted by OnTheClock:

To me, before pre-season I think I'd have...

RB1: Carlos Hyde; Shaun Draughn; Jarrad Hayne
RB2: DuJuan Harris; Kelvin Taylor; Mike Davis

With Davis and Draughn probably missing the final cuts only due to Baalke's preference of athleticism and potential in most cases.


Reasoning: Hayne has the size and other attributes to be a workhorse back. The fact that he's never played football before, yet seemingly outplayed the rookie Mike Davis behind the same horrific OL, showed us something. It also doesn't reflect well on Davis. Ultimately, Hayne's value on STs could be his ticket to a roster spot.

I mean outperformed is kinda a loose term there both were bad but Davis is years younger and can pass block worlds better.

I'm cool with keeping Hyde, Davis, draughn,Taylor, Hayne (ST is where he makes his mark)

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by OnTheClock:

To me, before pre-season I think I'd have...

RB1: Carlos Hyde; Shaun Draughn; Jarrad Hayne
RB2: DuJuan Harris; Kelvin Taylor; Mike Davis

With Davis and Draughn probably missing the final cuts only due to Baalke's preference of athleticism and potential in most cases.


Reasoning: Hayne has the size and other attributes to be a workhorse back. The fact that he's never played football before, yet seemingly outplayed the rookie Mike Davis behind the same horrific OL, showed us something. It also doesn't reflect well on Davis. Ultimately, Hayne's value on STs could be his ticket to a roster spot.

I mean outperformed is kinda a loose term there both were bad but Davis is years younger and can pass block worlds better.

I'm cool with keeping Hyde, Davis, draughn,Taylor, Hayne (ST is where he makes his mark)

True, I'll admit that. Personally, if I had to put them in order right now, I'd say: Hyde, Harris, Draughn, Taylor, Davis, Hayne

To me, Draughn proved his worth as a runner, receiver and a blocker. Taylor can show this in TC and pre-season. Davis and Hayne are going to have to show enough improvement to exceed Taylor's level. If they are only able to "match" the rookie, in my mind that simply won't be good enough for them to stick.

As much as I hate to see a 4th rounder wasted, or see Hayne not make it, we need the best players on the roster. And the 3rd/4th backs won't get much PT any way, but I think a veteran presence with a promising rookie would round out a nice group.

Originally posted by OnTheClock:

If they are only able to "match" the rookie, in my mind that simply won't be good enough for them to stick.

I just dont get this logic. If both Davis and Taylor do well, both should make the team. Its not like Davis has been around for 3 or 4 years either. He played in 6 total games last season. I think Davis having 3 years left on his contract at a cheap salary only helps his cause.


I dont see Davis going anywhere unless he plays really poorly. Its like last year when you had Patton getting cut in favor of some undrafted players. I think you underestimate the value this team puts on drafted players. When you draft a guy, that is an investment.

I have a hard time seeing the team walk away from that investment in favor of a dime-a-dozen street free agent that can be cut and replaced a day later.


Draughn played well but he isnt a special player by any means and has no real upside. For a rebuilding team I cant see them opting for a soon to be 29 year old journeyman over a young 2nd year RB.

Originally posted by OnTheClock:
True, I'll admit that. Personally, if I had to put them in order right now, I'd say: Hyde, Harris, Draughn, Taylor, Davis, Hayne

To me, Draughn proved his worth as a runner, receiver and a blocker. Taylor can show this in TC and pre-season. Davis and Hayne are going to have to show enough improvement to exceed Taylor's level. If they are only able to "match" the rookie, in my mind that simply won't be good enough for them to stick.

As much as I hate to see a 4th rounder wasted, or see Hayne not make it, we need the best players on the roster. And the 3rd/4th backs won't get much PT any way, but I think a veteran presence with a promising rookie would round out a nice group.

See I think we've seen pretty much what Draughn is as a RB... 3.5 avg YPC along with an injury towards the end of the year pretty much blah. Harris is who he is, good for a couple carries but other than his couple big runs against the Rams he only avg 1.9 YPC...both are at a age when you're not gonna expect them to all of a sudden get better ya know? There's a reason they've been thrown around the league.

Davis ran for over 2,000 yards and had 66 catches his final two years in college ( dealt with injures and conditioning issues his last year) I just don't see how he doesn't make the team and I expect him to be RB 2 for us this year.

It will be interesting to see what happens at the RB position.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by OnTheClock:
If they are only able to "match" the rookie, in my mind that simply won't be good enough for them to stick.

I just dont get this logic. If both Davis and Taylor do well, both should make the team. Its not like Davis has been around for 3 or 4 years either. He played in 6 total games last season. I think Davis having 3 years left on his contract at a cheap salary only helps his cause.


I dont see Davis going anywhere unless he plays really poorly. Its like last year when you had Patton getting cut in favor of some undrafted players. I think you underestimate the value this team puts on drafted players. When you draft a guy, that is an investment.

I have a hard time seeing the team walk away from that investment in favor of a dime-a-dozen street free agent that can be cut and replaced a day later.


Draughn played well but he isnt a special player by any means and has no real upside. For a rebuilding team I cant see them opting for a soon to be 29 year old journeyman over a young 2nd year RB.

Good post...but...Reggie Bush.