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Originally posted by Ute66:
Which examples can you provide of him struggling as a pass blocker? Kap got sacked once with Hayne on the field because of an atrocious effort from Devey.

Its not necessarily a matter of sacks given up but rather having the right technique and awareness of what was going on out on the football field. From what I saw Hayne doesn't possess the instincts or awareness of what NFL defenses will attempt to do in a given situation. Frank Gore was a great pass blocker for so many years because his instincts were off the charts, he could see the blitzes coming and put himself in the right position to hold up pass rushers. You can be a downright s**tty pass blocker and not give up many sacks but because the RB is generally the last line of defense, that one time that you do completely whiff and the QB gets hit, those are often the kind that can knock a QB out of the game....or end their career.


49ers fans in particular have an unfortunately intimate understanding of the importance of a RB's ability to pass protect, having seen one of the greatest QB's in NFL history in Steve Young get leveled on a corner blitz where the RB whiffed and allowed Young to get crushed, ultimately being the hit that ended his career. It doesn't take much, a split second and you're done.








Its not any slight on Hayne that he's behind the curve in terms of pass blocking, you have RB's that have played their entire lives struggle in that regard but it is something that will prevent him from being a three down player in the NFL until he fully masters it. It is something that will take time and a lot of hard work on his part, we'll see how well he has improved by how willing the coaching staff is to have him playing out there on third downs.






Davis has the pedigree to be a productive player because of his performance in college, but that doesn't always translate to the NFL. Look at Trent Richardson as an example. 3rd pick overall and 3.3 career YPC.

It doesn't always translate, but it certainly helps having that background. Davis has played in a similar offense to what Kelly runs with Steve Spurrier in South Carolina, he's faced some of the best defenders in college football, quite a few that went on to the NFL, he has years of experience in pass blocking, running from both under the center and shotgun, studying various defenses and their approaches. None of that guarantees success but it certainly helps.

Looking at it objectively, do you think Hayne would be better off right now, worse off or the same if he had 3 years of playing as a RB in the SEC before making the leap to the NFL?





We will all have to wait and see how preseason pans out. Davis may get out there and kill it. It all depends on who best fits Chip's offense and you won't know until they are out on the field executing plays.


Davis might play terribly and fail to show any improvement. Hayne might come in and light up and make a tremendous impact, only time will tell but because of his background and experience, as well as draft status, I see Davis as the prohibitive favorite to backup Hyde. As far as Hayne goes, I think he has to distinguish himself on special teams as a returner to hang on. The opportunity is there for him but he has to seize it and show that he has made substantial improvement over what we saw in the regular season last year. He especially can't put the football on the ground like he did last year. Doing that with Kelly as the HC, a guy who hates anything that f**ks with his offenses ability to move the ball, will end his 49ers career in a flash.
[ Edited by Phoenix49ers on May 12, 2016 at 4:48 PM ]
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Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Looking at it objectively, do you think Hayne would be better off right now, worse off or the same if he had 3 years of playing as a RB in the SEC before making the leap to the NFL?

Worse. NSW wouldn't have won Origin then.

Originally posted by Drift:
Worse. NSW wouldn't have won Origin then.






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[ Edited by Phoenix49ers on May 12, 2016 at 5:59 PM ]
Age below is the age they will be during the upcoming 2016 season. They will keep the younger guys.
#1. Hyde ... 25 y/o
#2. Davis ... 23 y/o
#3. Taylor ... 23 y/o
#4. Hayne ... 28 y/o = will keep him because he's talented and brings in lots of aussie $$ money
___________________________
Harris ... 28 y/o
Draughn ... 29 y/o

Both Harris and Draughn are older and not part of the future rebuild.
When they are cut nobody will sign them and they will still be able to re-sign them in case of injury etc
Originally posted by Vito_Corleone:
Age below is the age they will be during the upcoming 2016 season. They will keep the younger guys.
#1. Hyde ... 25 y/o
#2. Davis ... 23 y/o
#3. Taylor ... 23 y/o
#4. Hayne ... 28 y/o = will keep him because he's talented and brings in lots of aussie $$ money
___________________________
Harris ... 28 y/o
Draughn ... 29 y/o

Both Harris and Draughn are older and not part of the future rebuild.
When they are cut nobody will sign them and they will still be able to re-sign them in case of injury etc

It would be a shame if we kept Hayne over Harris. I felt Harris was our best looking RB after Hyde.
Harris and Draughn
Originally posted by strickac:
Originally posted by Vito_Corleone:
Age below is the age they will be during the upcoming 2016 season. They will keep the younger guys.
#1. Hyde ... 25 y/o
#2. Davis ... 23 y/o
#3. Taylor ... 23 y/o
#4. Hayne ... 28 y/o = will keep him because he's talented and brings in lots of aussie $$ money
___________________________
Harris ... 28 y/o
Draughn ... 29 y/o

Both Harris and Draughn are older and not part of the future rebuild.
When they are cut nobody will sign them and they will still be able to re-sign them in case of injury etc

It would be a shame if we kept Hayne over Harris. I felt Harris was our best looking RB after Hyde.

Harris is an small older guy who brings nothing on ST's and will not be around for the rebuild. . . .
Hayne brings in the fans, the $$, good on ST's, and is a big back who might be good runner
http://www.mercurynews.com/49ers/ci_29868710/49ers-expect-jarryd-hayne-will-make-major-impact
Originally posted by strickac:
Originally posted by Vito_Corleone:
Age below is the age they will be during the upcoming 2016 season. They will keep the younger guys.
#1. Hyde ... 25 y/o
#2. Davis ... 23 y/o
#3. Taylor ... 23 y/o
#4. Hayne ... 28 y/o = will keep him because he's talented and brings in lots of aussie $$ money
___________________________
Harris ... 28 y/o
Draughn ... 29 y/o

Both Harris and Draughn are older and not part of the future rebuild.
When they are cut nobody will sign them and they will still be able to re-sign them in case of injury etc

It would be a shame if we kept Hayne over Harris. I felt Harris was our best looking RB after Hyde.

In two games you can say that? Yes he ran well for us but the sample size is way too small. The two games for the Seachooks earlier in the season he had 2.3 ypc and had a fumble that was lost. A lot depends on the schemes that were played and opportunities he was given too. He seemed to suit the schemes that Chryst had set up for him that were probably meant for Hyde to run.
It should all play out at camp and probably preseason.

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[ Edited by KeepRabbitsOut on May 12, 2016 at 7:56 PM ]
Originally posted by Vito_Corleone:
Harris is an small older guy who brings nothing on ST's and will not be around for the rebuild. . . .
Hayne brings in the fans, the $$, good on ST's, and is a big back who might be good runner
http://www.mercurynews.com/49ers/ci_29868710/49ers-expect-jarryd-hayne-will-make-major-impact

Do you really think the fans and $$ make that much of a difference? I don't want to question THE Don but I hope they make their decision based on merit and team fit alone.
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We are digging deep for positivity. I hope his potential comes around cause I haven't seen much.
Originally posted by KeepRabbitsOut:
Originally posted by Vito_Corleone:
Harris is an small older guy who brings nothing on ST's and will not be around for the rebuild. . . .
Hayne brings in the fans, the $$, good on ST's, and is a big back who might be good runner
http://www.mercurynews.com/49ers/ci_29868710/49ers-expect-jarryd-hayne-will-make-major-impact

Do you really think the fans and $$ make that much of a difference? I don't want to question THE Don but I hope they make their decision based on merit and team fit alone.

Yes, the fans and $$ matter very much. They don't want an empty stadium with derogatory banners flying overhead!
But of course if one guy is much better they would keep the better player. But as a #4 RB Harris would be an older smaller guy who doesn't play ST's.
Hayne is a bigger guy good on ST's so a better fit as a #4 RB, plus he'd attract fans
No more questions or you will sleep with the fishes!
Originally posted by titan:
We are digging deep for positivity. I hope his potential comes around cause I haven't seen much.

Yes they are screwed if Hyde goes down. That's why I didn't like the pick of Robinson, could have had a RB. But Taylor might be OK and they will draft one next year
Originally posted by Vito_Corleone:
Yes, the fans and $$ matter very much. They don't want an empty stadium with derogatory banners flying overhead!
But of course if one guy is much better they would keep the better player. But as a #4 RB Harris would be an older smaller guy who doesn't play ST's.
Hayne is a bigger guy good on ST's so a better fit as a #4 RB, plus he'd attract fans
No more questions or you will sleep with the fishes!

Lol. Yes Boss.
Originally posted by titan:
We are digging deep for positivity. I hope his potential comes around cause I haven't seen much.

Havent seen much period. Dude had like 30 total carries. But with an improved OL and a good scheme fit I wouldnt be shocked to see him seize the #2 RB spot.
Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Havent seen much period. Dude had like 30 total carries. But with an improved OL and a good scheme fit I wouldnt be shocked to see him seize the #2 RB spot.

Agree. I think it was hard to assess any of the RBs last year because the o-line was so terrible. Even Hyde struggled outside of the Minnesota game, and he's a Top 5 RB when healthy imo. No way a runner with his talent and tackle breaking ability should be limited to 4 yards per carry. It's hard to run effectively when you're consistently getting hit or having your running lane altered behind the LOS. The o-line was hot garbage.
[ Edited by SofaKing on May 12, 2016 at 9:03 PM ]
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