RB Mike Davis

of course I don't want HYDE to get hurt, but the fact is he just complete a season and I hope that I can JINX the curse !!

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by dsmith_49erz:

Our O.line was by far the worst in the league, what did you expect from the running backs..they can't block for themselves.....When we fix our line, we fix our rb's production problem.

The number of times the RB's were getting hit in the backfield last season was unbelievable. Hyde was badass enough to bounce off a few guys, turn the corner and turn a 3 or 4 yard loss into a 3 or 4 yard gain. Davis isn't that guy, he's more of a north-south runner, open up a hole for him and let him bust through. Hopefully he has a good preseason this year.

Agreed. Prime example was the TD against Minnesota. Should've been a three yard loss, but he stuck his foot in the ground, made a sick spin move, and walked into the endzone.

If he stays healthy, the conversation of best back in the west is going to between Hyde and Gurley IMO.

Originally posted by BuZzB05:

Originally posted by 9moon:

I really see both Taylor and Davis making the team since Carlos " Hurt Again" Hyde will again continue his streak of not able to play a full season.

Really? Do you wish Hyde should not play a full season? Stop make of fun at us of 49ers fans.

BuZz getting after Moon?

Instant classic WZ battle right here!

Originally posted by 9moon:

of course I don't want HYDE to get hurt, but the fact is he just complete a season and I hope that I can JINX the curse !!

Nice the reverse psychology jinx.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 9moon:
of course I don't want HYDE to get hurt, but the fact is he just complete a season and I hope that I can JINX the curse !!

Nice the reverse psychology jinx.

that's how I work baby!!

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It's amazing Hyde had any positive games running behind Martin devey and pears who always got pushed back 2-5 yards on every running play

Originally posted by FaTaL:

It's amazing Hyde had any positive games running behind Martin devey and pears who always got pushed back 2-5 yards on every running play

Yes it is!

Originally posted by NYniner85:
It blows my mind that people want him cut after 35 rushing attempts along with that coaching staff and OL He's got to make an improvement though or they will be drafting a RB next yr for sure.

The Niners (and most other teams in the NFL) are likely to draft at least one RB every year, and pick up another or two as UDFAs. Attrition at that position is horrendous.

Someone must have given Mike Davis the word that he should slim down to be a better fit for a Kelly offense. While I have pretty low expectations for any of the RBs producing this season, given the state of the OL, I'd certainly like to see Davis show plenty of good potential.

Originally posted by 49erThrowback:

The Niners (and most other teams in the NFL) are likely to draft at least one RB every year, and pick up another or two as UDFAs. Attrition at that position is horrendous.

Someone must have given Mike Davis the word that he should slim down to be a better fit for a Kelly offense. While I have pretty low expectations for any of the RBs producing this season, given the state of the OL, I'd certainly like to see Davis show plenty of good potential.

Why do you have low expectations? Just about every single RB in chips offense has produced career numbers outside of Murray. I think the OL has taken a step in the postive with our new OGs and a healthy center compared to last yr as well.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Why do you have low expectations? Just about every single RB in chips offense has produced career numbers outside of Murray. I think the OL has taken a step in the postive with our new OGs and a healthy center compared to last yr as well.

The OL was an unmitigated disaster last year. This year, it's likely to be merely problematical and inconsistent. From left to right:

• Staley is still good, but a year older. He's the only OL who would be a starter at tackle on most other NFL teams.
• Just a guess that the Niners will put Garnett between LT and C. He's more familiar with that side from college, and it always makes sense to surround first year players with experienced vets. In terms of athleticism, he's a step up from the mook he replaces, but he's still a rookie, has to get used to NFL speed, and will make mistakes from time to time.
• Kilgore is serviceable, but hardly above average. Even so, if he gets a season-ending injury, the season pretty much ends there.
• In line with the guess about Garnett, Beadles, Thomas, or Tiller will start here. Beadles may get the nod given his familiarity with zone blocking, but whether any of these guys can get the job done has yet to be seen. Especially against NFL West defenses (and most of the other teams the Niners will face in 2016).
• RT remains the glaring weakness on the OL, whether Pears or Brown plays the position. The former is unreliable, the latter a square peg in a Kelly offense round hole. I don't expect dramatic improvement from a year ago, even if head case Davis parachutes in one minute before TC begins.

Having said that, the Niners should benefit from a more competent coaching staff, which will partially offset the strength of schedule (a Tomsula-led team would be quitting midway through most games against the 2016 opponents). But ultimately it comes down to the quality of the players, and the Niners are still at least a couple short of having an above-average, much less elite OL. Will be very challenging for any RB to take over a game running behind that line. Like I said, Davis is doing good things for himself, but we're likely to see more talent and potential than production.

For the record, PFF rates the Niners as having the 26th best OL in the league.
https://www.profootballfocus.com/pro-ranking-all-32-nfl-offensive-lines-entering-the-2016-season/

Players like Brown and Tiller graded out high from PFF last year (esp. Tiller) despite limited snaps as starters but PFF currently didn't even include Brown but considered Thomas a starter in their assessment and has a starting line-up that is unlikely, hence the low rating.

PFF: Projected starters: LT Joe Staley, LG Zane Beadles, C Daniel Kilgore, RG Brandon Thomas, RT Erik Pears

Roster depth: Josh Garnett, Marcus Martin, Andrew Tiller

Me: My best guess is that it'll end up being Staley - Beadles - Kilgore - Garnett - Brown

But it wouldn't surprise me if Tiller or Thomas beat out Beadles either. Kelly needs powerful G's inside to win those 1on1 battles but those guys are also athletic enough to pull and move block too. We don't know what we have in Brown yet or the RT spot or what Kelly asks of that position. Kilgore will finally be 100% and is a great cerebral fit for Kelly's system.

This OL has some talent and depth and more experience now. Nice mix of veterans and young bucks. We've seen massive upside in Brown and know what Staley, Beadles and Kilgore are capable of. We all feel we got the perfect G for Kelly in the draft.

Either way, it's got to be better than a line that consisted of Boone playing average at best, Martin, Devey and Pears (T and G).

The uptempo and scheme should also be to our OL's advantage as well as having the threat of a QB run and a quicker passing game as well as having 4 RB's who are best running out of the gun.

We'll see though. We've had some very poor personnel decisions in the past and a rash of injuries and a host of other issues as well (looking at you Davis).

Originally posted by mojave45:

Originally posted by FaTaL:
It's amazing Hyde had any positive games running behind Martin devey and pears who always got pushed back 2-5 yards on every running play

Yes it is!

not to mention the guys we signed off the street who did well in spite of that line.. better line. same backs. all healthy. this is going to be fun

Originally posted by 49erThrowback:

The OL was an unmitigated disaster last year. This year, it's likely to be merely problematical and inconsistent. From left to right:

• Staley is still good, but a year older. He's the only OL who would be a starter at tackle on most other NFL teams.
• Just a guess that the Niners will put Garnett between LT and C. He's more familiar with that side from college, and it always makes sense to surround first year players with experienced vets. In terms of athleticism, he's a step up from the mook he replaces, but he's still a rookie, has to get used to NFL speed, and will make mistakes from time to time.
• Kilgore is serviceable, but hardly above average. Even so, if he gets a season-ending injury, the season pretty much ends there.
• In line with the guess about Garnett, Beadles, Thomas, or Tiller will start here. Beadles may get the nod given his familiarity with zone blocking, but whether any of these guys can get the job done has yet to be seen. Especially against NFL West defenses (and most of the other teams the Niners will face in 2016).
• RT remains the glaring weakness on the OL, whether Pears or Brown plays the position. The former is unreliable, the latter a square peg in a Kelly offense round hole. I don't expect dramatic improvement from a year ago, even if head case Davis parachutes in one minute before TC begins.

Having said that, the Niners should benefit from a more competent coaching staff, which will partially offset the strength of schedule (a Tomsula-led team would be quitting midway through most games against the 2016 opponents). But ultimately it comes down to the quality of the players, and the Niners are still at least a couple short of having an above-average, much less elite OL. Will be very challenging for any RB to take over a game running behind that line. Like I said, Davis is doing good things for himself, but we're likely to see more talent and potential than production.

For the record, PFF rates the Niners as having the 26th best OL in the league.
https://www.profootballfocus.com/pro-ranking-all-32-nfl-offensive-lines-entering-the-2016-season/

Well I agree and disagree...tackles (great ones) can play well into their 30s and Staley has shown no signs of slowing down...perfect fit for chip. Beadles will be the LG that's what he played when he went to a pro bowl with ZBS ( and I think he's been LG all through his NFL career)

Kilgore was actually above average (when healthy) he was very consistent which is all you need/want in a center (Goodwin was the same).

Garnett will more than likely start at RG and shouldn't have a issue moving to that side IMO. Our big issue is RT....pears might be in shape but he's not strong enough IMO ( gonna get pushed around like a rag doll) and if brown can just get into shape he's got the goods to be very very good RT....really not sure why they don't throw Thomas at RT? Dude was a soild LT at Clemson and has the length and size.

All add Flaherty is a much much better OL coach, I saw some of the OL he was able to put together in NY (with not a ton of talent) which gives me hope. We are in a much better position then this time last yr

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 49erThrowback:

The OL was an unmitigated disaster last year. This year, it's likely to be merely problematical and inconsistent. From left to right:

• Staley is still good, but a year older. He's the only OL who would be a starter at tackle on most other NFL teams.
• Just a guess that the Niners will put Garnett between LT and C. He's more familiar with that side from college, and it always makes sense to surround first year players with experienced vets. In terms of athleticism, he's a step up from the mook he replaces, but he's still a rookie, has to get used to NFL speed, and will make mistakes from time to time.
• Kilgore is serviceable, but hardly above average. Even so, if he gets a season-ending injury, the season pretty much ends there.
• In line with the guess about Garnett, Beadles, Thomas, or Tiller will start here. Beadles may get the nod given his familiarity with zone blocking, but whether any of these guys can get the job done has yet to be seen. Especially against NFL West defenses (and most of the other teams the Niners will face in 2016).
• RT remains the glaring weakness on the OL, whether Pears or Brown plays the position. The former is unreliable, the latter a square peg in a Kelly offense round hole. I don't expect dramatic improvement from a year ago, even if head case Davis parachutes in one minute before TC begins.

Having said that, the Niners should benefit from a more competent coaching staff, which will partially offset the strength of schedule (a Tomsula-led team would be quitting midway through most games against the 2016 opponents). But ultimately it comes down to the quality of the players, and the Niners are still at least a couple short of having an above-average, much less elite OL. Will be very challenging for any RB to take over a game running behind that line. Like I said, Davis is doing good things for himself, but we're likely to see more talent and potential than production.

For the record, PFF rates the Niners as having the 26th best OL in the league.
https://www.profootballfocus.com/pro-ranking-all-32-nfl-offensive-lines-entering-the-2016-season/

Well I agree and disagree...tackles (great ones) can play well into their 30s and Staley has shown no signs of slowing down...perfect fit for chip. Beadles will be the LG that's what he played when he went to a pro bowl with ZBS ( and I think he's been LG all through his NFL career)

Kilgore was actually above average (when healthy) he was very consistent which is all you need/want in a center (Goodwin was the same).

Garnett will more than likely start at RG and shouldn't have a issue moving to that side IMO. Our big issue is RT....pears might be in shape but he's not strong enough IMO ( gonna get pushed around like a rag doll) and if brown can just get into shape he's got the goods to be very very good RT....really not sure why they don't throw Thomas at RT? Dude was a soild LT at Clemson and has the length and size.

All add Flaherty is a much much better OL coach, I saw some of the OL he was able to put together in NY (with not a ton of talent) which gives me hope. We are in a much better position then this time last yr

Trying to stay positive here, abd like your thinking NY, but just to pick a bit, because that is what all good webzone denizens do, do you see the possibility of flipping sides with Beadles and Garnett, putting the rookie next to Staley to help his development? Being protected a bit as it were by not having suspect play right next to him?

If only we had a thread to discuss rb Mike Davis. That'd be great