OL Trenton Brown, Future Hall Of Fame Right Tackle

Just like I had in mind with Vernon, trading him before the season shoulda been the move.. instead, Baalke kept him and prayed that he'll have a good year with Kaep learning from Warner and that he then can trade Vernon (no plan on re signing him) for a much better deal.. instead, Vernon showed Baalke that 9moon is correct on how sorry his hands are and we got a 2016 pick and to swap (7th) rounder for him..

HEYYY!!! who do you think won that trade????

Now, if we you think that Reid still can play for this team, then you prolly is one of them TOMSULA believer that he too should be kept for another year..

I'm sorry, but all this talk about Davis to right guard blows my mind. It's a kin to the talk of Boone to right tackle. Neither of the two moves have ever been hinted to by the coaching staff. It's blind speculation at best. I'm not trying to be rude, I just don't get where all this talk is coming from? The Niners paid Davis very good tackle money, because he's a good tackle. No way he takes a pay cut and a position down grade. There are plenty of teams that would love to trade for a starting right tackle, especially for one with ADs experience and age.

Originally posted by Oakland-Niner:
I'm sorry, but all this talk about Davis to right guard blows my mind. It's a kin to the talk of Boone to right tackle. Neither of the two moves have ever been hinted to my the coaching staff. It's blind speculation at best. I'm not trying to be rude, I just don't get where all this talk is coming from? The Niners paid Davis very good tackle money, because he's a good tackle. No way he takes a pay cut and a position down grade. There are plenty of teams that would love to trade for a starting right tackle.

It's speculation, but not out of the realm of possibility. Wouldn't be the first time a tackle moved to guard.

Boone was originally a tackle and transitioned to guard out of necessity, to get our best 5 lineman on the field.

Depending on Brown's development and the moves we make in the off-season, putting our best 5 on the field could require Davis to play guard. Doesn't mean it will happen, but it's worth discussing as a possibility.

Originally posted by Escobar:

Originally posted by JustinNiner:
we shouldnt be ready to crown this kid as a starter at RT for next season. He still needs a year or two to develop. He would make a good backup tho.

I say we sign Cordy Glenn (solid and reasonable price) as RT. Restructure A.Davis's contract for a G position and move him to LG. Keep Tiller at RG and Kilgore at C. Draft Tunsil if he falls to us and see if we can fit him into the line somehow.

It might seem overkill but we have got to be 100% sure we have a functional O-line or our offense wont click.

As for defense, i think we only need a slightly above average pass rusher opposite to lynch to have a top 10 defense.

why does everyone want to move Davis to G again?

i just always thought he would make a better G. was also thinking too that maybe he comes to TC not as quick from taking a year off so maybe the G position might serve him better

Originally posted by philosoraptor:

Originally posted by JustinNiner:
we shouldnt be ready to crown this kid as a starter at RT for next season. He still needs a year or two to develop. He would make a good backup tho.

I say we sign Cordy Glenn (solid and reasonable price) as RT. Restructure A.Davis's contract for a G position and move him to LG. Keep Tiller at RG and Kilgore at C. Draft Tunsil if he falls to us and see if we can fit him into the line somehow.

It might seem overkill but we have got to be 100% sure we have a functional O-line or our offense wont click.

As for defense, i think we only need a slightly above average pass rusher opposite to lynch to have a top 10 defense.

I think it makes more sense to just sign another guard. Ad is still young and quick enough to play tackle.

i just hope he comes to TC in shape without losing a step but i dont think that will happen. It will be risky to think he will pick up where he left off

Originally posted by JustinNiner:
we shouldnt be ready to crown this kid as a starter at RT for next season. He still needs a year or two to develop. He would make a good backup tho.

I say we sign Cordy Glenn (solid and reasonable price) as RT. Restructure A.Davis's contract for a G position and move him to LG. Keep Tiller at RG and Kilgore at C. Draft Tunsil if he falls to us and see if we can fit him into the line somehow.

It might seem overkill but we have got to be 100% sure we have a functional O-line or our offense wont click.

As for defense, i think we only need a slightly above average pass rusher opposite to lynch to have a top 10 defense.

Glenn will either re-sign or get tagged. He is a top 5 tackle right now. No way they let him leave.

Originally posted by dj43:
I am not convinced that the way the game is evolving that a 320 pound guy is what is required. I would like to see Davis come back at about the same 315 as Staley.

When I look at some of the best offensive linemen around the league, I don't see a lot of gut hanging over their belt. I want to see quicker and more agile linemen and that usually means that Pot Roast need not apply.

I feel the exact opposite way because players tend to lose weight over the course of the season. They hit the weights hard before the season and in training camp, but over the course of the season, they're just trying to rest & stay healthy. I like going with bigger guys who end up trimming down towards the end of the season. Might start out slower, but I think those guys peak later.

Plus, I like going with O-lines who are great at run-blocking and complimenting that with a quick-strike QB (which is why I like Connor Cook & Jared Goff in that order). And bigger O-lines tend to run-block better. That's not always the case, but it's the trend.

Originally posted by NinerSickness:

Originally posted by dj43:
I am not convinced that the way the game is evolving that a 320 pound guy is what is required. I would like to see Davis come back at about the same 315 as Staley.

When I look at some of the best offensive linemen around the league, I don't see a lot of gut hanging over their belt. I want to see quicker and more agile linemen and that usually means that Pot Roast need not apply.

I feel the exact opposite way because players tend to lose weight over the course of the season. They hit the weights hard before the season and in training camp, but over the course of the season, they're just trying to rest & stay healthy. I like going with bigger guys who end up trimming down towards the end of the season. Might start out slower, but I think those guys peak later.

Plus, I like going with O-lines who are great at run-blocking and complimenting that with a quick-strike QB (which is why I like Connor Cook & Jared Goff in that order). And bigger O-lines tend to run-block better. That's not always the case, but it's the trend.

Lighter, more agile/quicker guys are much better in a ZBS which is what we have been trending toward. Particularly when Hyde is healthy we will see a lot of ZBS.

A bigger line is OK for a power running game that relies on man blocking but not zone.

In this league, you have to start the season in good shape. Can't wait till the half-way mark to push the pedal down. KC this year is a rare exception.

Originally posted by dj43:
Lighter, more agile/quicker guys are much better in a ZBS which is what we have been trending toward. Particularly when Hyde is healthy we will see a lot of ZBS.

If they want to go to a ZBS long term, then they need to completely start over with the OL. Trade literally anyone they can & start drafting OL.

The OL is currently built around Harbaugh's power running game.

Originally posted by JustinNiner:
we shouldnt be ready to crown this kid as a starter at RT for next season. He still needs a year or two to develop. He would make a good backup tho.

I say we sign Cordy Glenn (solid and reasonable price) as RT. Restructure A.Davis's contract for a G position and move him to LG. Keep Tiller at RG and Kilgore at C. Draft Tunsil if he falls to us and see if we can fit him into the line somehow.

It might seem overkill but we have got to be 100% sure we have a functional O-line or our offense wont click.

As for defense, i think we only need a slightly above average pass rusher opposite to lynch to have a top 10 defense.

I disagree. I think he is more consistent than AD was as a rookie starter (so far). I agree that he has room to develop, but he will do so faster while playing than he would by sitting. He has remarkably good feet for his size, and he takes full advantage of his length and power. There were a couple run plays yesterday where he dominated his DL so completely that he ended up on the left of Pears and on top of the guy. There was also one run play where he whiffed badly (AD had a few of those per game, too). Dude's a monster, and he's just as successful in pass pro (I saw one pressure surrendered yesterday, but I haven't rewatched the game yet).

Originally posted by Oakland-Niner:
I'm sorry, but all this talk about Davis to right guard blows my mind. It's a kin to the talk of Boone to right tackle. Neither of the two moves have ever been hinted to by the coaching staff. It's blind speculation at best. I'm not trying to be rude, I just don't get where all this talk is coming from? The Niners paid Davis very good tackle money, because he's a good tackle. No way he takes a pay cut and a position down grade. There are plenty of teams that would love to trade for a starting right tackle, especially for one with ADs experience and age.

The RT $$ Davis is making is now in line with good OG money. His game has alays been based on power, imo. At his best, he has LT feet, but he has ALWAYS been terribly inconsistent in pass pro. Speed rushers have embarrassed him at the worst possible times for the offense/team. I like him at LG, because he'd work on the left side footwork, so he could take over for Staley at LT (where he played very well in college) in the event that Staley gets hurt, or the degrading health of his knee pushes his play into decline. He could also work off the rust without facing nearly as many speed guys if he kicked down inside. Having Davis next to Staley could give us a dominant stretch (outside zone) side, as both have the feet to easily hook the outside shoulder on a reach block. Putting Tiller next to Brown gives us a beefy power running side, though Brown also clearly has the feet to properly execute a reach block for stretch runs (I still have my doubts about Tiller as a ZBS guy; hopefully he drops 10-20lbs in the offseason and that results in dramatically increased lateral agility).

Originally posted by JustinNiner:

we shouldnt be ready to crown this kid as a starter at RT for next season. He still needs a year or two to develop. He would make a good backup tho.

I say we sign Cordy Glenn (solid and reasonable price) as RT. Restructure A.Davis's contract for a G position and move him to LG. Keep Tiller at RG and Kilgore at C. Draft Tunsil if he falls to us and see if we can fit him into the line somehow.

It might seem overkill but we have got to be 100% sure we have a functional O-line or our offense wont click.

As for defense, i think we only need a slightly above average pass rusher opposite to lynch to have a top 10 defense.

Agreed on not awarding Brown anything...let him compete with AD at RT. Sign a vet to compete with Tiller at RG and draft a LT (maybe Tunsil or Stanley) to groom as Staley's replacement but in the here and now I move that rookie inside to LG to compete with Martin and Thomas.

I don't think Glenn comes cheap as at all as he is a solid and durable left tackle.

Originally posted by NinerSickness:

Originally posted by dj43:
Lighter, more agile/quicker guys are much better in a ZBS which is what we have been trending toward. Particularly when Hyde is healthy we will see a lot of ZBS.

If they want to go to a ZBS long term, then they need to completely start over with the OL. Trade literally anyone they can & start drafting OL.

The OL is currently built around Harbaugh's power running game.

I disagree completely. Staley is AWESOME on zone runs (he's really good at power,too. Dude's completely underrated by way too many fans), Kilgore is made for it (much better than power, that's why he struggled yesterday, imo), and Brown does well on zone runs, though he's probably too heavy to cut block regularly (easy fix = split zone). Tiller can't really block up zone runs consistently right now, which imo is the chief reason why we've been so power oriented this season, at least since Devey got sh!t-canned. We need a new LG, regardless, so switching to a ZBS really only requires additional change at one spot. Either Tiller drops some weight and speeds the f@ck up, or a new guy works into that spot.

I think with Davis and Brown fighting it out at RT...they should focus on the OG position. I like what Tiller has done but Boone is good as gone.

I was impressed with how Brown did against Ansah yesterday. He didn't even give up a sack to him yesterday which is pretty darn impressive considering Brown was a 7th rd pick. I love his power and reach.. and quick feet for a big guy.

However, I think this organization has to go with Goff or Cook with the 1st pick. This team needs something to hang their hat on and get excited about. Gabbert is not the long term answer. No doubt I would love to have Tunsil but if Jed York had half a brain, he should be drafting a potential franchise QB to add some stability back to this franchise. Something we are in desperate need of. It appears Gabbert is what we all thought he was.. a checkdown king.

Not to mention, I think this team is really 2 years away from competing again. Maybe more if we don't add a competent offensive coordinator and a head coach that players actually respond to.