Terrell Owens Thread: Hall of Fame?

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by 4everFaithful:

Originally posted by 9moon:

Originally posted by 9moon:
MY QUESTIONS ARE..

how can everyone forgive Michael Irvin and his scandal and allow him to be a first ballot?

how can everyone forget about Brett Favre's PENIS PHOTO scandal and allow him to be a first ballot??

everyone call TOs acts selfish, is it really worst that what Randy Moss showed over his career??

if you truly believe that standing over the STAR of our rival team 2x, and that alone should keep him off of hall of fame,

allow me to call everyone .. JABRONIS !!!!!!

anti TO fans continue to avoid the questions above.. lol

ya man its b******t. I think the logic behind the voters is that Owens affected locker rooms negatively. They don't seem to care with off field issues. or else I don't understand how they let in people like Marvin or Ray who allegedly killed a person.

Its not BS tho. marvins thing happened after his career, Rays happened before his career.

TO was a cancer during his career for 8-10 years

the MEDIA made it a CANCER..

same MEDIA who didn't wanna go deeper to the Michael Irvin's cocaine and prostitution scandal because he was Michael Irvin who happened to be playing for what so many believe as "the America's Team"... or whatabout... LAWRENCE TAYLOR and his addicted to cocaine.. even he admitted that 90% of the coaching staff knew that he was on cocaine during his playing days...

Randy Moss mooned the fans of Green Bay and the whole NFL made a big deal about it, while Favre the diva that he thinks he is was trying to get under someone's skirt and got caught, and it just went away...

or whatabout Skip Bayless trying to prove Troy Aikman was a BUTT PIRATE??

Originally posted by jcs:

Originally posted by dj43:

The puzzling question is: Why?

If he was their best player, why did they release him?

cancer....

He and the eagles made it to the super bowl .... and he was their best player that day despite his injured leg. Cancer my ass. He was just passionate and emotional. He did some dumb things. But his play overshadows it.

Originally posted by 4everFaithful:

Originally posted by jcs:

Originally posted by dj43:
The puzzling question is: Why?

If he was their best player, why did they release him?

cancer....

He and the eagles made it to the super bowl .... and he was their best player that day despite his injured leg. Cancer my ass. He was just passionate and emotional. He did some dumb things. But his play overshadows it.

you keep posting about his play, his play is not in question it's the stuff he did in between games that Teams got tired of

Originally posted by 4everFaithful:
He and the eagles made it to the super bowl .... and he was their best player that day despite his injured leg. Cancer my ass. He was just passionate and emotional. He did some dumb things. But his play overshadows it.

You don't have to accept it but if you really want to know the reason why he's not in the HOF....

Originally posted by jcs:

Originally posted by 4everFaithful:

He and the eagles made it to the super bowl .... and he was their best player that day despite his injured leg. Cancer my ass. He was just passionate and emotional. He did some dumb things. But his play overshadows it.

You don't have to accept it but if you really want to know the reason why he's not in the HOF....

The point he is making that you are not grasping is perception does not equal reality.

I have no doubt that his perceived behavior is what has so far kept him out of the Hall. But I also believe this media driven perception of TO is not fair and completely blown out of proportion.

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by jcs:

Originally posted by 4everFaithful:
He and the eagles made it to the super bowl .... and he was their best player that day despite his injured leg. Cancer my ass. He was just passionate and emotional. He did some dumb things. But his play overshadows it.

You don't have to accept it but if you really want to know the reason why he's not in the HOF....

The point he is making that you are not grasping is perception does not equal reality.

I have no doubt that his perceived behavior is what has so far kept him out of the Hall. But I also believe this media driven perception of TO is not fair and completely blown out of proportion.

Teams/Locker rooms saw the real TO. Which they could not keep him. The Media didn't make them release TO

How many years has he been eligible? Was this his 1st crack at it? I imagine he'll get in but they probably want to make him sing for his supper first for all the douche things he did.

Originally posted by 9moon:
the MEDIA made it a CANCER..

same MEDIA who didn't wanna go deeper to the Michael Irvin's cocaine and prostitution scandal because he was Michael Irvin who happened to be playing for what so many believe as "the America's Team"... or whatabout... LAWRENCE TAYLOR and his addicted to cocaine.. even he admitted that 90% of the coaching staff knew that he was on cocaine during his playing days...

Randy Moss mooned the fans of Green Bay and the whole NFL made a big deal about it, while Favre the diva that he thinks he is was trying to get under someone's skirt and got caught, and it just went away...

or whatabout Skip Bayless trying to prove Troy Aikman was a BUTT PIRATE??

As you note, teams have put up with questionable behavior in the past while not cutting the player. Those were star players just like TO. Teams kept those players because they felt their contribution to winning was more important than the abhorrent behavior. What the media said was of no consequence to teams that just wanted to win. That fact alone tends to discount the claim that the media was the source of the cancer, not the player.

If Owens was truly playing at a HOF level, and the "cancer" was not real, it is not logical to contend that a team would cut him just because the media was publicizing his behavior in the locker room. That argument doesn't fly.

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by 9moon:
the MEDIA made it a CANCER..

same MEDIA who didn't wanna go deeper to the Michael Irvin's cocaine and prostitution scandal because he was Michael Irvin who happened to be playing for what so many believe as "the America's Team"... or whatabout... LAWRENCE TAYLOR and his addicted to cocaine.. even he admitted that 90% of the coaching staff knew that he was on cocaine during his playing days...

Randy Moss mooned the fans of Green Bay and the whole NFL made a big deal about it, while Favre the diva that he thinks he is was trying to get under someone's skirt and got caught, and it just went away...

or whatabout Skip Bayless trying to prove Troy Aikman was a BUTT PIRATE??

As you note, teams have put up with questionable behavior in the past while not cutting the player. Those were star players just like TO. Teams kept those players because they felt their contribution to winning was more important than the abhorrent behavior. What the media said was of no consequence to teams that just wanted to win. That fact alone tends to discount the claim that the media was the source of the cancer, not the player.

If Owens was truly playing at a HOF level, and the "cancer" was not real, it is not logical to contend that a team would cut him just because the media was publicizing his behavior in the locker room. That argument doesn't fly.

ok I get it now...

as long as you behave well in the locker room, you can do what MICHAEL IRVIN - BRETT FAVRE - LAWRENCE TAYLOR - RANDY MOSS and still be a 1st ballot HOF??

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by 9moon:
the MEDIA made it a CANCER..

same MEDIA who didn't wanna go deeper to the Michael Irvin's cocaine and prostitution scandal because he was Michael Irvin who happened to be playing for what so many believe as "the America's Team"... or whatabout... LAWRENCE TAYLOR and his addicted to cocaine.. even he admitted that 90% of the coaching staff knew that he was on cocaine during his playing days...

Randy Moss mooned the fans of Green Bay and the whole NFL made a big deal about it, while Favre the diva that he thinks he is was trying to get under someone's skirt and got caught, and it just went away...

or whatabout Skip Bayless trying to prove Troy Aikman was a BUTT PIRATE??

As you note, teams have put up with questionable behavior in the past while not cutting the player. Those were star players just like TO. Teams kept those players because they felt their contribution to winning was more important than the abhorrent behavior. What the media said was of no consequence to teams that just wanted to win. That fact alone tends to discount the claim that the media was the source of the cancer, not the player.

If Owens was truly playing at a HOF level, and the "cancer" was not real, it is not logical to contend that a team would cut him just because the media was publicizing his behavior in the locker room. That argument doesn't fly.

I can play this game too dj43....

If Owens was truly a cancer to his teams, is it not logical that the teams that cut him would have been better off without him....rather than substantially worse? That argument doesn't fly.

Originally posted by 9moon:

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by 9moon:
the MEDIA made it a CANCER..

same MEDIA who didn't wanna go deeper to the Michael Irvin's cocaine and prostitution scandal because he was Michael Irvin who happened to be playing for what so many believe as "the America's Team"... or whatabout... LAWRENCE TAYLOR and his addicted to cocaine.. even he admitted that 90% of the coaching staff knew that he was on cocaine during his playing days...

Randy Moss mooned the fans of Green Bay and the whole NFL made a big deal about it, while Favre the diva that he thinks he is was trying to get under someone's skirt and got caught, and it just went away...

or whatabout Skip Bayless trying to prove Troy Aikman was a BUTT PIRATE??

As you note, teams have put up with questionable behavior in the past while not cutting the player. Those were star players just like TO. Teams kept those players because they felt their contribution to winning was more important than the abhorrent behavior. What the media said was of no consequence to teams that just wanted to win. That fact alone tends to discount the claim that the media was the source of the cancer, not the player.

If Owens was truly playing at a HOF level, and the "cancer" was not real, it is not logical to contend that a team would cut him just because the media was publicizing his behavior in the locker room. That argument doesn't fly.

ok I get it now...

as long as you behave well in the locker room, you can do what MICHAEL IRVIN - BRETT FAVRE - LAWRENCE TAYLOR - RANDY MOSS and still be a 1st ballot HOF??

No, that is not the argument.

Teams put up with the level of distraction those other guys made but did not with Owens. That clearly suggests Owens' distraction was greater.

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by 9moon:
the MEDIA made it a CANCER..

same MEDIA who didn't wanna go deeper to the Michael Irvin's cocaine and prostitution scandal because he was Michael Irvin who happened to be playing for what so many believe as "the America's Team"... or whatabout... LAWRENCE TAYLOR and his addicted to cocaine.. even he admitted that 90% of the coaching staff knew that he was on cocaine during his playing days...

Randy Moss mooned the fans of Green Bay and the whole NFL made a big deal about it, while Favre the diva that he thinks he is was trying to get under someone's skirt and got caught, and it just went away...

or whatabout Skip Bayless trying to prove Troy Aikman was a BUTT PIRATE??

As you note, teams have put up with questionable behavior in the past while not cutting the player. Those were star players just like TO. Teams kept those players because they felt their contribution to winning was more important than the abhorrent behavior. What the media said was of no consequence to teams that just wanted to win. That fact alone tends to discount the claim that the media was the source of the cancer, not the player.

If Owens was truly playing at a HOF level, and the "cancer" was not real, it is not logical to contend that a team would cut him just because the media was publicizing his behavior in the locker room. That argument doesn't fly.

I can play this game too dj43....

If Owens was truly a cancer to his teams, is it not logical that the teams that cut him would have been better off without him....rather than substantially? That argument doesn't fly.

That is a reasonable point to mention, however, all it does is suggest the teams misjudged his value to the team but not their perception of his distraction.

It could also be the case that there were other factors for the team's decline following his departure although that is not the argument.

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by 9moon:

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by 9moon:
the MEDIA made it a CANCER..

same MEDIA who didn't wanna go deeper to the Michael Irvin's cocaine and prostitution scandal because he was Michael Irvin who happened to be playing for what so many believe as "the America's Team"... or whatabout... LAWRENCE TAYLOR and his addicted to cocaine.. even he admitted that 90% of the coaching staff knew that he was on cocaine during his playing days...

Randy Moss mooned the fans of Green Bay and the whole NFL made a big deal about it, while Favre the diva that he thinks he is was trying to get under someone's skirt and got caught, and it just went away...

or whatabout Skip Bayless trying to prove Troy Aikman was a BUTT PIRATE??

As you note, teams have put up with questionable behavior in the past while not cutting the player. Those were star players just like TO. Teams kept those players because they felt their contribution to winning was more important than the abhorrent behavior. What the media said was of no consequence to teams that just wanted to win. That fact alone tends to discount the claim that the media was the source of the cancer, not the player.

If Owens was truly playing at a HOF level, and the "cancer" was not real, it is not logical to contend that a team would cut him just because the media was publicizing his behavior in the locker room. That argument doesn't fly.

ok I get it now...

as long as you behave well in the locker room, you can do what MICHAEL IRVIN - BRETT FAVRE - LAWRENCE TAYLOR - RANDY MOSS and still be a 1st ballot HOF??

No, that is not the argument.

Teams put up with the level of distraction those other guys made but did not with Owens. That clearly suggests Owens' distraction was greater.

and again,

those guys' distractions were NOT enough to keep them off of 1st Balloting??

then answer this..

HOW CAN THOSE GUYS' SCANDALS just went quiet all of a sudden??

This TO issue w/the HOF, BS, just reminds me so much of how ISIAH THOMAS did not make it w/the Dream Team..

Originally posted by 9moon:

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by 9moon:

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by 9moon:
the MEDIA made it a CANCER..

same MEDIA who didn't wanna go deeper to the Michael Irvin's cocaine and prostitution scandal because he was Michael Irvin who happened to be playing for what so many believe as "the America's Team"... or whatabout... LAWRENCE TAYLOR and his addicted to cocaine.. even he admitted that 90% of the coaching staff knew that he was on cocaine during his playing days...

Randy Moss mooned the fans of Green Bay and the whole NFL made a big deal about it, while Favre the diva that he thinks he is was trying to get under someone's skirt and got caught, and it just went away...

or whatabout Skip Bayless trying to prove Troy Aikman was a BUTT PIRATE??

As you note, teams have put up with questionable behavior in the past while not cutting the player. Those were star players just like TO. Teams kept those players because they felt their contribution to winning was more important than the abhorrent behavior. What the media said was of no consequence to teams that just wanted to win. That fact alone tends to discount the claim that the media was the source of the cancer, not the player.

If Owens was truly playing at a HOF level, and the "cancer" was not real, it is not logical to contend that a team would cut him just because the media was publicizing his behavior in the locker room. That argument doesn't fly.

ok I get it now...

as long as you behave well in the locker room, you can do what MICHAEL IRVIN - BRETT FAVRE - LAWRENCE TAYLOR - RANDY MOSS and still be a 1st ballot HOF??

No, that is not the argument.

Teams put up with the level of distraction those other guys made but did not with Owens. That clearly suggests Owens' distraction was greater.

and again,

those guys' distractions were NOT enough to keep them off of 1st Balloting??

then answer this..

HOW CAN THOSE GUYS' SCANDALS just went quiet all of a sudden??

This TO issue w/the HOF, BS, just reminds me so much of how ISIAH THOMAS did not make it w/the Dream Team..

I don't have an answer. All I can say is that the perception remains that TO was a greater distraction than any of those other guys.

I don't care to drag this out any further. I hope that making him wait two years to get in will satisfy those who feel he was a big distraction and vote him in. As of now, that may not be a given.

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by 9moon:
the MEDIA made it a CANCER..

same MEDIA who didn't wanna go deeper to the Michael Irvin's cocaine and prostitution scandal because he was Michael Irvin who happened to be playing for what so many believe as "the America's Team"... or whatabout... LAWRENCE TAYLOR and his addicted to cocaine.. even he admitted that 90% of the coaching staff knew that he was on cocaine during his playing days...

Randy Moss mooned the fans of Green Bay and the whole NFL made a big deal about it, while Favre the diva that he thinks he is was trying to get under someone's skirt and got caught, and it just went away...

or whatabout Skip Bayless trying to prove Troy Aikman was a BUTT PIRATE??

As you note, teams have put up with questionable behavior in the past while not cutting the player. Those were star players just like TO. Teams kept those players because they felt their contribution to winning was more important than the abhorrent behavior. What the media said was of no consequence to teams that just wanted to win. That fact alone tends to discount the claim that the media was the source of the cancer, not the player.

If Owens was truly playing at a HOF level, and the "cancer" was not real, it is not logical to contend that a team would cut him just because the media was publicizing his behavior in the locker room. That argument doesn't fly.

In this example we should also look at the fact that the cowgirls didn't cut Irvin because of his shenanigans but had no issue dropping TO.