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Originally posted by jcs:
In this example we should also look at the fact that the cowgirls didn't cut Irvin because of his shenanigans but had no issue dropping TO.

Owens was 35 and coming off the worst statistical season of his career since 1999. Michael Irvin didn't even play to 35; his career ended at 33 from a neck injury.

Also, when teams cut players, they send "evaluation" forms to the players that state the reason. Among the categories are on field performance and personal conduct. Guess which box was checked for Owens. It was "performance." None of the conduct-related boxes were checked.
Originally posted by dj43:
As you note, teams have put up with questionable behavior in the past while not cutting the player. Those were star players just like TO. Teams kept those players because they felt their contribution to winning was more important than the abhorrent behavior. What the media said was of no consequence to teams that just wanted to win. That fact alone tends to discount the claim that the media was the source of the cancer, not the player.

If Owens was truly playing at a HOF level, and the "cancer" was not real, it is not logical to contend that a team would cut him just because the media was publicizing his behavior in the locker room. That argument doesn't fly.

1. The 49ers did not cut Terrell Owens. Owens chose to leave. The 49ers actually jumped through hoops for years to try to keep him. In 1999 they signed him to a then-record 7.5 million signing bonus for his new contract. In 2002, Owens actually had his agent request that he be left unprotected for the expansion draft, because he wanted out. The 49ers responded by sending Mariucci to Atlanta to meet with Owens and his agent and try to repair the relationship. In 2003, the 49ers met with Owens's agent in the off-season to try to negotiate a contract extension, because the void clause in his contract was coming up. When they determined that Owens was out of their price range - in part because Julian Peterson was being represented by the Postons and was going to command an outrageous salary - they decided they couldn't afford to keep him. However, instead of trading him while they had the chance, they kept him, because they thought the team was much better with him. At the end of the season, Owens tried to file for free agency and was planning on bolting to the Eagles, but his agent missed the new deadline.

It was Owens who was often eager to leave the 49ers, not the other way around. This nonsense people spew now is revisionist history.

2. Andy Reid made Owens a deal that if he apologized for the interview with Graham Bensinger, he could stay on the team, and he wouldn't be suspended for a single day. It was only when Owens refused to apologize that the Eagles acted. Mind you, this was with a team that had a nucleus that had been to 3 consecutive NFC Championship games before he even got there. Why would they be so attached to this "team cancer?"

I'll tell you why - because Reid loved him, but the ridiculous media and the distractions they were creating had become too much. The reporters were irritating and distracting the players by constantly bombarding them with questions about Owens. It wasn't Owens himself doing this. They did blame Owens for not doing a better job of handling the media, but they also weren't in his shoes, and didn't see just how dishonest the media was.

3. The Cowboys cut Owens when he was 35 and coming off his worst statistical season since 1999. On his "performance evaluation" sheet that was sent to him after his release, they checked "performance," not any "conduct" boxes. Only with Terrell Owens and this stupid narrative is "35" considered the "height of his career" for a wide receiver. Even Jerry Rice was a shell of himself at 35...that was the year he tore up his knee.
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Originally posted by Owens4HOF:
Originally posted by jcs:
In this example we should also look at the fact that the cowgirls didn't cut Irvin because of his shenanigans but had no issue dropping TO.

Owens was 35 and coming off the worst statistical season of his career since 1999. Michael Irvin didn't even play to 35; his career ended at 33 from a neck injury.

Also, when teams cut players, they send "evaluation" forms to the players that state the reason. Among the categories are on field performance and personal conduct. Guess which box was checked for Owens. It was "performance." None of the conduct-related boxes were checked.
http://sportsday.dallasnews.com/dallas-cowboys/cowboys/2017/02/08/dominating-figure-terrell-owens-may-intimidated-jason-garrett-ex-cowboys-wr-patrick-crayton-says

"Before the Cowboys cut Owens after the 2008 season, coach Bill Parcells had resorted to referring to him as "the player." And Owens believes that Jason Garrett, the offensive coordinator at the time, leaked information that started T.O.'s spiral in Dallas."
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Originally posted by BuckFarry16to80:
TO got f$&ked!!!!! Plain and simple! BS!

f**k the NFL and f**k the HoF...no credibility.
Originally posted by jcs:
http://sportsday.dallasnews.com/dallas-cowboys/cowboys/2017/02/08/dominating-figure-terrell-owens-may-intimidated-jason-garrett-ex-cowboys-wr-patrick-crayton-says

"Before the Cowboys cut Owens after the 2008 season, coach Bill Parcells had resorted to referring to him as "the player." And Owens believes that Jason Garrett, the offensive coordinator at the time, leaked information that started T.O.'s spiral in Dallas."

1. Parcells was only the coach for the 1st of Owens's 3 years in Dallas and after retiring, described Owens as "a pleasant enough kid. He's not mean-spirited, he's not vulgar. He's really OK in that respect."
2. Owens was referring to the Ed Werder "anonymous source" article when he talked about the information leaking. Ultimately, it was Jerry Jones's decision, and Jones would have kept him if he believed he was still in his prime. Football people within the organization told Jones that he was in decline.
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http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/18647508/hof-qb-dan-fouts-says-terrell-owens-received-fair-evaluation

Hall of Fame quarterback Dan Fouts was a member of the Hall of Fame selection committee for the first time in Houston, and said he believes receiver Terrell Owens got a fair shake before his case didn't advance.

"I think his numbers are very worthy, but again on the other side of it, I think his actions on and off the field, on the sidelines, in the locker room, and the fact he played for so many teams and was such a great player, the question that comes back to me is if he was such a great player, why did so many of those teams get rid of him?" Fouts said in a visit with The Midday 180 in Nashville. "And I think we all know the answers."
Originally posted by Owens4HOF:
Originally posted by dj43:
As you note, teams have put up with questionable behavior in the past while not cutting the player. Those were star players just like TO. Teams kept those players because they felt their contribution to winning was more important than the abhorrent behavior. What the media said was of no consequence to teams that just wanted to win. That fact alone tends to discount the claim that the media was the source of the cancer, not the player.

If Owens was truly playing at a HOF level, and the "cancer" was not real, it is not logical to contend that a team would cut him just because the media was publicizing his behavior in the locker room. That argument doesn't fly.

1. The 49ers did not cut Terrell Owens. Owens chose to leave. The 49ers actually jumped through hoops for years to try to keep him. In 1999 they signed him to a then-record 7.5 million signing bonus for his new contract. In 2002, Owens actually had his agent request that he be left unprotected for the expansion draft, because he wanted out. The 49ers responded by sending Mariucci to Atlanta to meet with Owens and his agent and try to repair the relationship. In 2003, the 49ers met with Owens's agent in the off-season to try to negotiate a contract extension, because the void clause in his contract was coming up. When they determined that Owens was out of their price range - in part because Julian Peterson was being represented by the Postons and was going to command an outrageous salary - they decided they couldn't afford to keep him. However, instead of trading him while they had the chance, they kept him, because they thought the team was much better with him. At the end of the season, Owens tried to file for free agency and was planning on bolting to the Eagles, but his agent missed the new deadline.

It was Owens who was often eager to leave the 49ers, not the other way around. This nonsense people spew now is revisionist history.

2. Andy Reid made Owens a deal that if he apologized for the interview with Graham Bensinger, he could stay on the team, and he wouldn't be suspended for a single day. It was only when Owens refused to apologize that the Eagles acted. Mind you, this was with a team that had a nucleus that had been to 3 consecutive NFC Championship games before he even got there. Why would they be so attached to this "team cancer?"

I'll tell you why - because Reid loved him, but the ridiculous media and the distractions they were creating had become too much. The reporters were irritating and distracting the players by constantly bombarding them with questions about Owens. It wasn't Owens himself doing this. They did blame Owens for not doing a better job of handling the media, but they also weren't in his shoes, and didn't see just how dishonest the media was.

3. The Cowboys cut Owens when he was 35 and coming off his worst statistical season since 1999. On his "performance evaluation" sheet that was sent to him after his release, they checked "performance," not any "conduct" boxes. Only with Terrell Owens and this stupid narrative is "35" considered the "height of his career" for a wide receiver. Even Jerry Rice was a shell of himself at 35...that was the year he tore up his knee.

Are you his agent?
Originally posted by dj43:
Originally posted by Owens4HOF:
Originally posted by dj43:
As you note, teams have put up with questionable behavior in the past while not cutting the player. Those were star players just like TO. Teams kept those players because they felt their contribution to winning was more important than the abhorrent behavior. What the media said was of no consequence to teams that just wanted to win. That fact alone tends to discount the claim that the media was the source of the cancer, not the player.

If Owens was truly playing at a HOF level, and the "cancer" was not real, it is not logical to contend that a team would cut him just because the media was publicizing his behavior in the locker room. That argument doesn't fly.

1. The 49ers did not cut Terrell Owens. Owens chose to leave. The 49ers actually jumped through hoops for years to try to keep him. In 1999 they signed him to a then-record 7.5 million signing bonus for his new contract. In 2002, Owens actually had his agent request that he be left unprotected for the expansion draft, because he wanted out. The 49ers responded by sending Mariucci to Atlanta to meet with Owens and his agent and try to repair the relationship. In 2003, the 49ers met with Owens's agent in the off-season to try to negotiate a contract extension, because the void clause in his contract was coming up. When they determined that Owens was out of their price range - in part because Julian Peterson was being represented by the Postons and was going to command an outrageous salary - they decided they couldn't afford to keep him. However, instead of trading him while they had the chance, they kept him, because they thought the team was much better with him. At the end of the season, Owens tried to file for free agency and was planning on bolting to the Eagles, but his agent missed the new deadline.

It was Owens who was often eager to leave the 49ers, not the other way around. This nonsense people spew now is revisionist history.

2. Andy Reid made Owens a deal that if he apologized for the interview with Graham Bensinger, he could stay on the team, and he wouldn't be suspended for a single day. It was only when Owens refused to apologize that the Eagles acted. Mind you, this was with a team that had a nucleus that had been to 3 consecutive NFC Championship games before he even got there. Why would they be so attached to this "team cancer?"

I'll tell you why - because Reid loved him, but the ridiculous media and the distractions they were creating had become too much. The reporters were irritating and distracting the players by constantly bombarding them with questions about Owens. It wasn't Owens himself doing this. They did blame Owens for not doing a better job of handling the media, but they also weren't in his shoes, and didn't see just how dishonest the media was.

3. The Cowboys cut Owens when he was 35 and coming off his worst statistical season since 1999. On his "performance evaluation" sheet that was sent to him after his release, they checked "performance," not any "conduct" boxes. Only with Terrell Owens and this stupid narrative is "35" considered the "height of his career" for a wide receiver. Even Jerry Rice was a shell of himself at 35...that was the year he tore up his knee.

Are you his agent?

He might be. But that doesnt make him wrong.
I'm glad people like Owens4HOF exists to set all you straight lol. Dropping facts
Originally posted by Owens4HOF:
Originally posted by dj43:
As you note, teams have put up with questionable behavior in the past while not cutting the player. Those were star players just like TO. Teams kept those players because they felt their contribution to winning was more important than the abhorrent behavior. What the media said was of no consequence to teams that just wanted to win. That fact alone tends to discount the claim that the media was the source of the cancer, not the player.

If Owens was truly playing at a HOF level, and the "cancer" was not real, it is not logical to contend that a team would cut him just because the media was publicizing his behavior in the locker room. That argument doesn't fly.

1. The 49ers did not cut Terrell Owens. Owens chose to leave. The 49ers actually jumped through hoops for years to try to keep him. In 1999 they signed him to a then-record 7.5 million signing bonus for his new contract. In 2002, Owens actually had his agent request that he be left unprotected for the expansion draft, because he wanted out. The 49ers responded by sending Mariucci to Atlanta to meet with Owens and his agent and try to repair the relationship. In 2003, the 49ers met with Owens's agent in the off-season to try to negotiate a contract extension, because the void clause in his contract was coming up. When they determined that Owens was out of their price range - in part because Julian Peterson was being represented by the Postons and was going to command an outrageous salary - they decided they couldn't afford to keep him. However, instead of trading him while they had the chance, they kept him, because they thought the team was much better with him. At the end of the season, Owens tried to file for free agency and was planning on bolting to the Eagles, but his agent missed the new deadline.

It was Owens who was often eager to leave the 49ers, not the other way around. This nonsense people spew now is revisionist history.

2. Andy Reid made Owens a deal that if he apologized for the interview with Graham Bensinger, he could stay on the team, and he wouldn't be suspended for a single day. It was only when Owens refused to apologize that the Eagles acted. Mind you, this was with a team that had a nucleus that had been to 3 consecutive NFC Championship games before he even got there. Why would they be so attached to this "team cancer?"

I'll tell you why - because Reid loved him, but the ridiculous media and the distractions they were creating had become too much. The reporters were irritating and distracting the players by constantly bombarding them with questions about Owens. It wasn't Owens himself doing this. They did blame Owens for not doing a better job of handling the media, but they also weren't in his shoes, and didn't see just how dishonest the media was.

3. The Cowboys cut Owens when he was 35 and coming off his worst statistical season since 1999. On his "performance evaluation" sheet that was sent to him after his release, they checked "performance," not any "conduct" boxes. Only with Terrell Owens and this stupid narrative is "35" considered the "height of his career" for a wide receiver. Even Jerry Rice was a shell of himself at 35...that was the year he tore up his knee.

Originally posted by 4everFaithful:
I'm glad people like Owens4HOF exists to set all you straight lol. Dropping facts

It is such a losing battle though. I try to help supply facts to the people who simply regurgitate what some talking head said...or even worse, their warped, incorrect memory of actual events. But it doesnt help. People like to rewrite history to support their point of view.
Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
Originally posted by 4everFaithful:
I'm glad people like Owens4HOF exists to set all you straight lol. Dropping facts

It is such a losing battle though. I try to help supply facts to the people who simply regurgitate what some talking head said...or even worse, their warped, incorrect memory of actual events. But it doesnt help. People like to rewrite history to support their point of view.

I know man. It is irritating. Us Owens fans know the truth.
Originally posted by jcs:
http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/18647508/hof-qb-dan-fouts-says-terrell-owens-received-fair-evaluation

Hall of Fame quarterback Dan Fouts was a member of the Hall of Fame selection committee for the first time in Houston, and said he believes receiver Terrell Owens got a fair shake before his case didn't advance.

"I think his numbers are very worthy, but again on the other side of it, I think his actions on and off the field, on the sidelines, in the locker room, and the fact he played for so many teams and was such a great player, the question that comes back to me is if he was such a great player, why did so many of those teams get rid of him?" Fouts said in a visit with The Midday 180 in Nashville. "And I think we all know the answers."

I must have missed when Fouts was a teammate of Owens's.
Originally posted by Owens4HOF:
Originally posted by jcs:
http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/18647508/hof-qb-dan-fouts-says-terrell-owens-received-fair-evaluation

Hall of Fame quarterback Dan Fouts was a member of the Hall of Fame selection committee for the first time in Houston, and said he believes receiver Terrell Owens got a fair shake before his case didn't advance.

"I think his numbers are very worthy, but again on the other side of it, I think his actions on and off the field, on the sidelines, in the locker room, and the fact he played for so many teams and was such a great player, the question that comes back to me is if he was such a great player, why did so many of those teams get rid of him?" Fouts said in a visit with The Midday 180 in Nashville. "And I think we all know the answers."

I must have missed when Fouts was a teammate of Owens's.
he doesn't have to be
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Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
he doesn't have to be

He's a voter and a HOFer giving you insight as to why...
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