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Terrell Owens Thread: Hall of Fame?

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Terrell Owens Thread: Hall of Fame?

Originally posted by jcs:
Originally posted by dj43:
Originally posted by 9moon:
the MEDIA made it a CANCER..

same MEDIA who didn't wanna go deeper to the Michael Irvin's cocaine and prostitution scandal because he was Michael Irvin who happened to be playing for what so many believe as "the America's Team"... or whatabout... LAWRENCE TAYLOR and his addicted to cocaine.. even he admitted that 90% of the coaching staff knew that he was on cocaine during his playing days...

Randy Moss mooned the fans of Green Bay and the whole NFL made a big deal about it, while Favre the diva that he thinks he is was trying to get under someone's skirt and got caught, and it just went away...

or whatabout Skip Bayless trying to prove Troy Aikman was a BUTT PIRATE??
As you note, teams have put up with questionable behavior in the past while not cutting the player. Those were star players just like TO. Teams kept those players because they felt their contribution to winning was more important than the abhorrent behavior. What the media said was of no consequence to teams that just wanted to win. That fact alone tends to discount the claim that the media was the source of the cancer, not the player.

If Owens was truly playing at a HOF level, and the "cancer" was not real, it is not logical to contend that a team would cut him just because the media was publicizing his behavior in the locker room. That argument doesn't fly.

In this example we should also look at the fact that the cowgirls didn't cut Irvin because of his shenanigans but had no issue dropping TO.

PURE POLITICS TO ME... PURE HYPOCRACY...
http://www.thesportster.com/football/top-15-locker-room-cancers-in-nfl-history/3/

T.O. is the king of locker room cancers in NFL history.

You've seen his football commercials (the most controversial one being the Monday Night Football one with actress Nicollette Sheridan) and touchdown celebrations (who can ever forget T.O. taking a cheerleader's pom-poms and dancing like crazy after a score?). But to know him as a football player, you have to know his not-so-stellar past.

As a member of the Philadelphia Eagles, he got into a fight with his teammate and defensive end Hugh Douglas in 2005. T.O. then labeled the Eagles as a "classless" organization for not recognizing his 100th career touchdown.

Owens also made headlines during that season when he wanted his seven-year, $49 million contract re-worked. He voiced his displeasure about it as the season wore on. He also called out Eagles quarterback Donovan McNabb and the team's higher-ups.

The result? Philly suspended him for four games without pay and then deactivated him for the rest of the season. The Eagles eventually released him. T.O. then signed with their NFC East rivals, the Dallas Cowboys. When the Cowboys lost to the Eagles by 14 points in Philly during the 2006 NFL season, Owens flew into a rage in the locker room. He complained bitterly about his lack of receptions during the 38-24 loss.

The LandryHat.com's Brad Austin describes T.O's stint in Dallas:

"There were mixed emotions in Cowboys Nation when the team hired Owens to revive their lackluster receiving corps in 2006. Dallas became the third NFL stop for the highly talented yet known locker-room cancer. Terrell produced well on the field for three years, but as expected his selfish, locker-room dividing antics poisoned the well."
Great athlete, terrible locker room character.
Fouts is as clueless as anyone else who buys into the ridiculous media narrative.

That's the whole point. Owens is being kept out because of these myths about him.
STEVE YOUNG:

"In 1999, my last year, I don't remember anything other than hard work and good play" by Owens, Young said by telephone last week.

"He was willing to sacrifice and work, and when he first got there, it was 'yes, sir, no, sir' to everybody. He called Jerry 'sir'; he called [former 49ers coach Steve Mariucci] 'sir'; he called me 'sir.' I said, 'No, no, no. Don't call me "sir." ' He was very respectful, and he played hard. He was raw, but you could tell he was a gifted player."

KEVAN BARLOW:

So Barlow spent the off-season training with Owens, the 49ers' All-Pro receiver whose fanaticism for workouts is obvious in his supernaturally chiseled body. Owens isn't known for being particularly friendly with his teammates, but he took Barlow under his wing.

"I learned how to be a robot this summer," Barlow said. "The man is a workaholic. He'd come in from an airplane flight at 7 in the morning, and he'd have a workout scheduled at 10 a.m."

FRED BEASLEY:

"They talk about the guy who once gave Fred Beasley, then a rookie fullback, $4,500 to cover a fine for being late to a meeting…"

Fullback Fred Beasley, who also scored on a touchdown pass from Rattay, who also caught the ball down the left sideline, who also found himself in single coverage, was also an Owens admirer.

"He's able to put the team on his shoulders," Beasley said. "He's very capable of doing that."

CEDRICK WILSON:

Wilson defends Terrell Owens and said he'd love to have him as a teammate again. The two played together for three seasons in San Francisco. Wilson said Owens is a good teammate.

"Oh yeah, I mean, come on," Wilson said. "He's the type of teammate you want to go to war with. As many passes he catches, he also blocks well. That's what made Terrell Owens at SF, knocking defensive backs or linebackers down to the ground, things of that nature. He's a fierce competitor. You don't want to face him, I'll tell you that much."

"He's a great player. He's a great person and I would enjoy having him on my football team." With the 49ers, Wilson said he saw Owens "get frustrated at times with losing. He's a competitor. He wants to win. At the same time, he feels he should be compensated for his play. That's really his whole thing. He wants to be compensated for overachieving. You look at the NFL, if you're underachieving, sometimes they ask you to take a pay cut. But if you're overachieving, you're still supposed to make the same amount of cash. Now, are you bigger than the NFL? There's a collective bargaining agreement through the players association and NFL that says those things are legal. So there's really not too much you can do about it. He's a great player. I hope he has an opportunity to play in the NFL again."

J.J. STOKES:

"I'd say he's a pretty mellow guy in everyday life. He has his moments where he gets kind of wild like he does on the field, but for the most part he's a reserved dude."

JIMMY FARRIS:

Farris got to know Owens when he was a rookie in 2001, spending time in 49ers camp as a starter with T.O. because of injuries to other receivers. Farris became friends with T.O., who bought him a big-screen TV for his dorm room in camp.

"I didn't have any money and didn't even have a TV or anything, and I was just going back to my room every night, sitting there reading books and doing whatever," Farris said. "He caught wind of it and bought me a big-screen TV."

Once camp ended, Farris said, "I didn't have any money to get an apartment, and he let me stay at his house and gave me all of his clothes that didn't fit him anymore. We just developed a great relationship, and he still lives in Atlanta [where Farris also lives during the offseason], and we've maintained that friendship over the past six years."

DERRICK DEESE:

"I know T.O. to be a nice guy," Deese said. "A team player. A guy who wants to win real bad. I don't think he destroyed our locker room. I think he gets a bad rap."

SCOTT GRAGG:

Gragg stressed that while he didn't know Owens well – "I probably said one sentence to him" – he didn't think the receiver was a locker room problem.

"He was not any more or any less vocal than anyone else," Gragg said. "He has a desire to win, a desire to be in the game. Even in pre-game warm-ups, I saw a guy doing everything possible to get ready to play. Then he would let his gifts be shown on the field and do some amazing things. His loss, I think, will be significant."

BYRANT YOUNG:

"He kind of mingled with everybody. There wasn't one guy he hung out with the most," Young said. "The last two years, we've had bowling nights on Mondays, and he'd come and do that. I didn't know him as well as I would have liked. But I know him well enough from being around him for eight years. He's a great guy once you get to know him."

ANTHONY ADAMS:

ANTHONY ADAMS Verified account ‏@spiceadams 1h1 hour ago

I will have to side with @terrellowens too!! He was a great teammate to me. And I beat him in dominoes at least twice @RealSkipBayless

JULIAN PETERSON:

"He's a good man," 49ers linebacker Julian Peterson said. "He came from a different upbringing than most people, but if you sit down with him one-on-one, he's a great man, well-mannered, God-fearing."

JAMIE WINBORN:

Winborn, who was with Owens in San Francisco from 2001 to 2003, said the wideout "wasn't just a good teammate, he was a great teammate."

"Nobody practiced harder," Winborn said. "Whatever team he's on has playoff potential, just by one man. The guy is phenomenal. Anybody [on the 49ers] that had problems with him was just jealous about his stardom."

TONY PARRISH:

"He opened up his home to me," said Parrish, a safety. "He's never done wrong by me."

ZACK BRONSON:

"At that time somebody needed to step up, and he was the guy," said 49ers safety Zack Bronson. "He's a leader in his own way. Everybody feeds off him."

LANCE SCHULTERS:

"I don't think he was taunting their team. It was just emotion. I really can't sit here and say I can knock him."

MIKE RUMPH:

"He was one of those guys you'd love to have on your team."

BRIAN WESTBROOK:

"Terrell Owens was so competitive in practice that he raised the whole team's level."

JON RITCHIE:

"I'm a T.O. fan…I had formed a preconceived notion of what he would be like…I decided, 'I'm gonna try talking to him.'…he wasn't at all how I expected him to be…"

GREG LEWIS:

"I have talked to him (Owens) on and off this season, not just this week. He was at my wedding in Chicago this off-season.

To me, he's a good person. Some people may try to make it more than it is and might not be willing to deal with him in certain situations. I mean, everybody has his faults. Nobody is perfect. He has been great to me and I don't have anything wrong with him.

…T.O. knows a lot of the ins and outs of the receiving position. He was out there with Jerry Rice in San Francisco, and they had that great coaching staff and they taught him a lot, and he brought that with him when he came here, and he was willing to share that with us.

…Regardless of what else goes on, when he comes on the football field, it's all business and all work. He's one of the best professionals at that position. And to have him at practice every day and to be able to pick his brain, it did nothing but make us better."

FREDDIE MITCHELL:

"I would go to battle with T.O. any day of the week. A lot of people don't understand him."

JUSTIN JENKINS:

"He seemed to be the same guy," Jenkins said. "He told me to take care of myself and that everything would work out for me. He told me to keep my head up. He was there for me. That's the same person he's always been."

L.J. SMITH:

"Personally, he never did anything to me," Smith said. "He invited the whole team. That says a lot. He's a great teammate."

ALONZO EPHRAIM:

"T.O., he's a phenomenal player and a good leader. A lot of people in the media try to make him to be a bad guy, which he's really not. He's a team player. He works hard."

ARTIS HICKS:

Vikings guard Artis Hicks said there was a resentment of Owens from fans, reporters and front-office executives, but not among the players.

"When things were getting rough, he was putting himself against the whole organization. Owner, coaches, secretary. Whoever was upstairs," said Hicks, who started for the Eagles in Super Bowl XXXIX. "I think he put his back against the wall and cornered himself, and said, 'OK, it's me against them.'

"But I loved the guy, man. I tell people that all the time, and people look at me and give me the double take," Hicks said. "As a teammate, he's one of the best guys I've been around."

N.D. KALU:

"But it just got to the point where it was just frustrating. It was like, we're playing the Giants, we're playing Green Bay, but yet we're talking about a guy who's not here that most of us like, but yet we're not supposed to like him, so you've got to watch how you answer the question."

"Anybody who has 14 touchdowns and 1,200 yards receiving, I don't think he's bringing the team down."

JEVON KEARSE:

"He's a wonderful teammate."

HUGH DOULGAS:

"Misunderstood, because Terrell's a very complex individual. I had a chance to know him, and a lot of people, once you get to know Terrell, he's really a good guy. He's just super competitive. If there was one guy that I wanted to have in the trenches with me, if I was doing anything, it would be that guy."

DHANI JONES:

"Personally, I like Terrell Owens. He's a good guy and a great ballplayer, and I can tell you that he has friends on this team."

JEREMIAH TROTTER:

"We would love to have T.O. back, we would love to have him back because we love what he brings to the team."

IKE REESE:

"The fact that he basically put his career on the line with no net," 94WIP's Ike Reese said Thursday on the Mike & Ike Show. "He had to sign a waiver to play in that Super Bowl. He didn't get cleared medically by the doctor. [Head Coach] Andy [Reid] wasn't even sure if he should let him or if he'll be able to play.

He [Owens] wanted to play in the Super Bowl, but I get that though. I love the fact that he put it out there. 'I signed a waiver that basically let the Eagles or the doctors off the hook.'"

SHELDON BROWN:

Browns cornerback Sheldon Brown was a teammate of Owens' in Philadelphia. He dismissed Owens' reputation as a "cancer" in the locker room and on the field.

"I don't buy into that," Brown said. "He may not agree with everything that's going on sometimes, but he's not a cancer. He's a great teammate. Guys love him in the locker room. He wanted to be the best. He was very competitive and he made me a better player every day.

LITO SHEPPARD:

"He always bonded with his teammates. We're a team and you always stick behind your teammates and he gave us no reason to think otherwise," cornerback Lito Sheppard said. "He's a hard-working guy and that's all you can ask. Winning is the ultimate goal."

TONY ROMO:

In 2009, addressing reported "derogatory" remarks made about him: "Well, I'm not going to say anything until I hear what he actually said because you guys have twisted what he said plenty of times before."

MARION BARBER:

"[Critics] are trying to make [Owens] into something he's not. I felt the same way like everybody else, but then I met the man. Once you know who he is, he's a great guy."

"I couldn't really believe it," he said. "It's part of the business and you just try to keep on moving from there. It was a shock. I'm sure a lot of people watching felt the same way I did as far as everything that went on last year. He was hoping to put things in the past."

TASHARD CHOICE:

"I'll miss him tremendously. That's my big brother. He looked out for me on and off the field, taught me how to be a pro. And he listened to me. If I thought he didn't get better in a practice, I'd say, 'Hey, T, I didn't like how you practiced today.' Then the next practice he'd bust his tail."

DANNY AMENDOLA:

"He's like the Godfather of the wide receivers."

PATRICK CRAYTON:

"I think, number one, the misconception is that he's selfish. I don't think a teammate he's had in the past that can say he's a selfish guy. He's a competitor, number one, he wants to win, but just to say he's a selfish guy? The other misconception is that he disrupts that locker room and takes the emphasis and all the attention and puts it on himself. Well, he doesn't do that. The media does that because they like his flash and the stories that he provides, as far as making headlines. It keeps ratings, I believe, pretty good for ESPN and ABC."

"[Owens] didn't separate [the locker room], because if we have a player-and-coaches-only meeting and it's supposed to stay in that room and it gets leaked out that evening and I hear about it the next morning, uh, we got a problem. And trust me, it's not one of the receivers or players … any names that they said, you know, that was causing chaos, trust me, it wasn't any of those players. And, uh, we located the mole."

SAM HURD:

"When Sam Hurd came to camp last year as an undrafted rookie, he got a lot of tutoring from Owens. That hasn't changed, with Owens still offering plenty of advice. "He's like a philosopher," Hurd said. "He comes in so many ways and puts it in perspective that you can understand it."

MARTELLUS BENNETT:

Said Bennett, now in his second season with the Chicago Bears: "T.O. was one of my favorite teammates and he told me, 'Whatever you do, watch (number) 82. He knows how to play some football.' So that's what I did. I watched Jason and there were some things I was able to take from him that I use now."

MARCO RIVERA:

"He was just trying to get us going," said right guard Marco Rivera, among those Owens was seen yelling at. "He basically said, 'We're going to win this game.'

LEONARD DAVIS:

"Once I met him and kind of got to hang around him a little bit, I've drawn my own conclusion that Terrell Owens is not the person that's portrayed in the media."

CORY PROCTER:

"Solid teammate in my book!" (via twitter)

CHRIS CANTY:

"The whole situation is completely overblown. T.O. was nothing but a great teammate in Dallas. He was a great person for the team, he was a great person for the organization, and he was a great person in the community."

JAY RATLIFF:

"He sent me a text last night telling me he was no longer a Dallas Cowboy, and I thought he just wanted to talk and was joking, but we talked and he was very shocked, so am I, and we're just surprised by it, this was like in boxing; a rabbit punch from out of nowhere."

"He will be fine, he's a competitor, no one wants to win like he does, and the only thing you can blame him for is wanting to win, and so I guess you can blame me for that too."

"I don't know, I never understood all the hype and controversy about him being a distraction, because he's been a great teammate, at least from my experience." Ratliff continued, "I guess he's the fall guy, I just don't understand it, and I don't know what else to say."

MARCUS SPEARS:

"He's been that way about certain situations, he's a sensitive guy – and not in a bad way – he wears his emotions on his sleeve."

DEMARCUS WARE:

"I think he's a great player, a great teammate…I sort of modeled myself by the way he played sometimes."

"I think he was a great teammate, he was really good in the locker room, real funny guy, I mean, really serious when it came down to playing football. I mean, what else do you need in a player?"

BRADIE JAMES:

"I mean you just said it, the media said that stuff, T.O. isn't saying it. What's crazy is, for you to say it like that shows you guys know (the fans) that the media just wants to blow it out of proportion because part of it is their job and they want to have something to talk about. Is it right, is fair to us? No. But nobody cares about that, they just think that we're supposed to go out there and play football. But, you know, we're not going to allow the media to come into the locker room and stir up a mess, that's basically what they're doing. They want to stir up some things to tear us apart but you know that's part of the job, this is not our first rodeo. As long as we know that T.O. is humble and we're not at each others' throat, it's fine."

"I'm just disappointed because we didn't see that coming," James said. "He's a good friend of mine and one of the best teammates I've had."

AKIN AYODELE:

Dolphins linebacker Akin Ayodele, who played alongside Owens with the Cowboys, said he enjoyed having him as a teammate.

"He pushes everybody in his group, and everybody elevates their level with him around," Ayodele said. "He even made the secondary better."

ZACH THOMAS:
"I'd take him," Zach Thomas agrees. "I want to win."

GREG ELLIS:
"I will have a problem if Terrell Owens is not back next year."

"I know T.O., played with him, and consider him to be a friend. I think it takes more than one person to make it a bad locker room, if you will. And I say that because you've got to realize you're dealing with the NFL.

You're not dealing with weak-hearted men. You're dealing with men that are used to coaches in their face cursing them out, saying a lot of bad things to them, a lot of language that you can't say on the radio. So you're used to that type of thing.

So I just don't buy into that any football player can verbally or really physically say one thing or do one thing to another football player to divide the team."

ANTHONY HENRY:

"I'm very surprised. Looking at the way they thought he separated the locker room, it was bogus to me. But that's the way things tend to go," Henry said. "It was funny because we'd watch it on television in the locker room and say 'That didn't even happen.' And the one thing is you could tell if it had happened because everybody would be quiet and say nothing, but we just laughed it off. T.O. is definitely a great teammate."

"With him I didn't think that would happen because he's a high-caliber receiver, he scores double-digit touchdowns every year and you ask the guys in the locker room, he's a great teammate to have," Henry said. "That's why looking at things from the outside in, it was a little bit different. With us, everybody was tight, he kept the locker room together, he had functions at his house, invited everybody over and stuff like that. Even when they interviewed the guys when it happened there in Dallas, they was like, I couldn't believe it. Nobody could really believe it."

TERENCE NEWMAN:

Several Cowboys still consider Owens a close friend. About an hour after Owens' media session, Cowboys cornerback Terence Newman described Owens as "a role model teammate."

AARON GLENN:

Sitting at a locker a few feet away, veteran cornerback Aaron Glenn figured his teammate had reason to be upset.

"Every small thing he does," Glenn said to reporters, "you guys write about it."

COURTNEY BROWN:

"It means a lot," Brown said yesterday. "He's a classy guy, he's been one since I've been on the team. Every part, small or big, he acknowledges it, whether it's me or not. That's the kind of guy he is."

KEN HAMLIN:

Hamlin said Owens' negative effect on team chemistry was overblown. While Owens enjoys attention, Hamlin said he has earned it with his play.

"It wasn't drama with him being there," Hamlin said. "He's a guy who thrives off of that, but at the same time, he gets the attention because of the type of player he is, not just from off the field."

MAT MCBRIAR:

As far as T.O. as a teammate, "He really wasn't that distracting," McBriar said. "He was one of the first guys to congratulate me for making this. I can only say good things about him."

RYAN FIZPATRICK:

"I really appreciated what Terrell brought to the table," Fitzpatrick said after Wednesday's practice. "He brought a lot of experience, and his work ethic was tremendous.

We didn't ever have any problems, and there were open lines of communication on the sideline. He certainly wasn't shy about suggesting stuff, or letting you know he was open on a play, but that's part of the quarterback-wide receiver relationship.

I can only speak from last year and how things went between me and Terrell, but it was nothing but great for me to have him as a teammate and to have him out there catching passes."

STEVIE JOHNSON:

Johnson was a teammate of Owens during the 2008 season. He calls Owens "a big brother" who doesn't deserve the bad teammate label that's almost certainly played a part in his NFL exile.

"When he came in (to Buffalo), I was like, 'OK, I wonder how this dude is gonna be, like real arrogant and cocky, he's T.O. 'I love me some me.' But when he came in, he was the best teammate ever. He worked hard.

"I love practice … The way he worked was insane," Johnson said. "Every day at practice he's out there challenging DBs one-on-one."

JAMES HARDY:

"There were so many things that he helped me with that I probably can't pick just one," Hardy said. "Getting off the jam, how to come ready for practice, how to do it every single day, every single play, even when you know you're not getting the ball or when things go wrong."

MARCUS STROUD:

"Oh man, T.O., T.O. is a lot different than what everybody said he was. The same type of persona that you would think, that you get off the TV and from the media, he's the total opposite, actually. He's a good team member, you know? And he just wants to win. Anytime you want to go out and fault a guy for winning and playing this game, something is wrong."

PAUL POSLUSZNY:

"He's actually been the exact opposite of what everyone had said before. He's been a great teammate. He's very quiet in the locker room and at practice, he just goes about his business. Works extremely hard at practice and does everything he can to help us. He's going to help us win."

DONTE WHITNER:

On twitter: "I'm ready to vouch for you and let them know how great of a teammate you were in Buffalo."

CARSON PALMER:

"Just knowing (Carroll's) style and the way he goes about teaching and leading his team, I just thought T.O. would be a great fit," Palmer said. "I really enjoyed playing with (Owens). It was a great relationship when I was there, and I just let coach know I thought he would fit in really well with his style. I think they'll have a lot of success together."

EVAN MATHIS:

"No it wasn't as bad as it seems. TO and Chad catch a lot more negative publicity then they are due. I would actually like to see TO get one more chance. Sign the dude to a minimum contract and let him prove himself."

JOHN HARBAUGH:

"All I can say about T.O. is this — I'm going to jump out a limb here — I've got a lot of respect for T.O., OK? Always have," Harbaugh said. "He's a football player, he practices hard. I think he's got a really good heart, always have. We have a good relationship."

DAVID CULLEY:

"Everybody says 'T.O.' when they talk about him," Culley said, "but when I had him, he was Terrell Owens, not T.O. There were two different guys. I coached Terrell Owens, I didn't coach T.O.

"He was the best practice player I've ever been around in my coaching career … the very best. He loved his job, took pride in what he did, and the T.O. guy you saw in the media, I didn't see that guy in practice."

BILL PARCELLS:

"He's a pleasant enough kid. He's not mean-spirited; he's not vulgar. He's really OK in that respect…. He didn't have anything to do with me (retiring) at the end of the day."
I love me some TO in the HOF. One day TO!
A fair point was made by not voting him in on the first ballot. Now, given his on-field performance, there is no valid reason to keep him out. Whatever his shenanigans in tearing down some of his teammates, he earned a place in the HOF on the field.
Originally posted by susweel:
dude was a beast but a total headcase as teammate.

That's kind of like how we all feel about you.
Jesus Harold Christ. Obsessed much?
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Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
http://www.thesportster.com/football/top-15-locker-room-cancers-in-nfl-history/3/

T.O. is the king of locker room cancers in NFL history.

You've seen his football commercials (the most controversial one being the Monday Night Football one with actress Nicollette Sheridan) and touchdown celebrations (who can ever forget T.O. taking a cheerleader's pom-poms and dancing like crazy after a score?). But to know him as a football player, you have to know his not-so-stellar past.

As a member of the Philadelphia Eagles, he got into a fight with his teammate and defensive end Hugh Douglas in 2005. T.O. then labeled the Eagles as a "classless" organization for not recognizing his 100th career touchdown.

Owens also made headlines during that season when he wanted his seven-year, $49 million contract re-worked. He voiced his displeasure about it as the season wore on. He also called out Eagles quarterback Donovan McNabb and the team's higher-ups.

The result? Philly suspended him for four games without pay and then deactivated him for the rest of the season. The Eagles eventually released him. T.O. then signed with their NFC East rivals, the Dallas Cowboys. When the Cowboys lost to the Eagles by 14 points in Philly during the 2006 NFL season, Owens flew into a rage in the locker room. He complained bitterly about his lack of receptions during the 38-24 loss.

The LandryHat.com's Brad Austin describes T.O's stint in Dallas:

"There were mixed emotions in Cowboys Nation when the team hired Owens to revive their lackluster receiving corps in 2006. Dallas became the third NFL stop for the highly talented yet known locker-room cancer. Terrell produced well on the field for three years, but as expected his selfish, locker-room dividing antics poisoned the well."

So random peoples opinions mean more than his actual teammates? Such a BS article. It says he got in fight with teammate Hugh Douglas in 2005. Douglas retired in 04. He was working as some embassador for the team, and by the accounts I've read he was the aggressor. And Owens lit his ass up.
Originally posted by Owens4HOF:
Fouts is as clueless as anyone else who buys into the ridiculous media narrative.

That's the whole point. Owens is being kept out because of these myths about him.

Myths ! Lol

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Originally posted by Homer:
Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
http://www.thesportster.com/football/top-15-locker-room-cancers-in-nfl-history/3/

T.O. is the king of locker room cancers in NFL history.

You've seen his football commercials (the most controversial one being the Monday Night Football one with actress Nicollette Sheridan) and touchdown celebrations (who can ever forget T.O. taking a cheerleader's pom-poms and dancing like crazy after a score?). But to know him as a football player, you have to know his not-so-stellar past.

As a member of the Philadelphia Eagles, he got into a fight with his teammate and defensive end Hugh Douglas in 2005. T.O. then labeled the Eagles as a "classless" organization for not recognizing his 100th career touchdown.

Owens also made headlines during that season when he wanted his seven-year, $49 million contract re-worked. He voiced his displeasure about it as the season wore on. He also called out Eagles quarterback Donovan McNabb and the team's higher-ups.

The result? Philly suspended him for four games without pay and then deactivated him for the rest of the season. The Eagles eventually released him. T.O. then signed with their NFC East rivals, the Dallas Cowboys. When the Cowboys lost to the Eagles by 14 points in Philly during the 2006 NFL season, Owens flew into a rage in the locker room. He complained bitterly about his lack of receptions during the 38-24 loss.

The LandryHat.com's Brad Austin describes T.O's stint in Dallas:

"There were mixed emotions in Cowboys Nation when the team hired Owens to revive their lackluster receiving corps in 2006. Dallas became the third NFL stop for the highly talented yet known locker-room cancer. Terrell produced well on the field for three years, but as expected his selfish, locker-room dividing antics poisoned the well."

So random peoples opinions mean more than his actual teammates? Such a BS article. It says he got in fight with teammate Hugh Douglas in 2005. Douglas retired in 04. He was working as some embassador for the team, and by the accounts I've read he was the aggressor. And Owens lit his ass up.

His teammates aren't the ones voting him into the hall though...
Originally posted by jcs:
Originally posted by Homer:
Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
http://www.thesportster.com/football/top-15-locker-room-cancers-in-nfl-history/3/

T.O. is the king of locker room cancers in NFL history.

You've seen his football commercials (the most controversial one being the Monday Night Football one with actress Nicollette Sheridan) and touchdown celebrations (who can ever forget T.O. taking a cheerleader's pom-poms and dancing like crazy after a score?). But to know him as a football player, you have to know his not-so-stellar past.

As a member of the Philadelphia Eagles, he got into a fight with his teammate and defensive end Hugh Douglas in 2005. T.O. then labeled the Eagles as a "classless" organization for not recognizing his 100th career touchdown.

Owens also made headlines during that season when he wanted his seven-year, $49 million contract re-worked. He voiced his displeasure about it as the season wore on. He also called out Eagles quarterback Donovan McNabb and the team's higher-ups.

The result? Philly suspended him for four games without pay and then deactivated him for the rest of the season. The Eagles eventually released him. T.O. then signed with their NFC East rivals, the Dallas Cowboys. When the Cowboys lost to the Eagles by 14 points in Philly during the 2006 NFL season, Owens flew into a rage in the locker room. He complained bitterly about his lack of receptions during the 38-24 loss.

The LandryHat.com's Brad Austin describes T.O's stint in Dallas:

"There were mixed emotions in Cowboys Nation when the team hired Owens to revive their lackluster receiving corps in 2006. Dallas became the third NFL stop for the highly talented yet known locker-room cancer. Terrell produced well on the field for three years, but as expected his selfish, locker-room dividing antics poisoned the well."

So random peoples opinions mean more than his actual teammates? Such a BS article. It says he got in fight with teammate Hugh Douglas in 2005. Douglas retired in 04. He was working as some embassador for the team, and by the accounts I've read he was the aggressor. And Owens lit his ass up.

His teammates aren't the ones voting him into the hall though...

Also, there is a unwritten rule of not bashing players when your name is going to be quoted

We can find compliments on how Johnny football is a great guy from his teammates.
Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
Originally posted by dj43:
Originally posted by Owens4HOF:
Originally posted by dj43:
As you note, teams have put up with questionable behavior in the past while not cutting the player. Those were star players just like TO. Teams kept those players because they felt their contribution to winning was more important than the abhorrent behavior. What the media said was of no consequence to teams that just wanted to win. That fact alone tends to discount the claim that the media was the source of the cancer, not the player.

If Owens was truly playing at a HOF level, and the "cancer" was not real, it is not logical to contend that a team would cut him just because the media was publicizing his behavior in the locker room. That argument doesn't fly.

1. The 49ers did not cut Terrell Owens. Owens chose to leave. The 49ers actually jumped through hoops for years to try to keep him. In 1999 they signed him to a then-record 7.5 million signing bonus for his new contract. In 2002, Owens actually had his agent request that he be left unprotected for the expansion draft, because he wanted out. The 49ers responded by sending Mariucci to Atlanta to meet with Owens and his agent and try to repair the relationship. In 2003, the 49ers met with Owens's agent in the off-season to try to negotiate a contract extension, because the void clause in his contract was coming up. When they determined that Owens was out of their price range - in part because Julian Peterson was being represented by the Postons and was going to command an outrageous salary - they decided they couldn't afford to keep him. However, instead of trading him while they had the chance, they kept him, because they thought the team was much better with him. At the end of the season, Owens tried to file for free agency and was planning on bolting to the Eagles, but his agent missed the new deadline.

It was Owens who was often eager to leave the 49ers, not the other way around. This nonsense people spew now is revisionist history.

2. Andy Reid made Owens a deal that if he apologized for the interview with Graham Bensinger, he could stay on the team, and he wouldn't be suspended for a single day. It was only when Owens refused to apologize that the Eagles acted. Mind you, this was with a team that had a nucleus that had been to 3 consecutive NFC Championship games before he even got there. Why would they be so attached to this "team cancer?"

I'll tell you why - because Reid loved him, but the ridiculous media and the distractions they were creating had become too much. The reporters were irritating and distracting the players by constantly bombarding them with questions about Owens. It wasn't Owens himself doing this. They did blame Owens for not doing a better job of handling the media, but they also weren't in his shoes, and didn't see just how dishonest the media was.

3. The Cowboys cut Owens when he was 35 and coming off his worst statistical season since 1999. On his "performance evaluation" sheet that was sent to him after his release, they checked "performance," not any "conduct" boxes. Only with Terrell Owens and this stupid narrative is "35" considered the "height of his career" for a wide receiver. Even Jerry Rice was a shell of himself at 35...that was the year he tore up his knee.

Are you his agent?

He might be. But that doesnt make him wrong.

I was short of time.

I have said from the beginning that his on-field performance deserves HOF. From there I have only been pointing out why the voters may be rejecting him. I don't know all the answers but the one thing I do not accept is the assertion that it was because the media was putting too much pressure on coaches like Andy Reid to get rid of him. That is a non-starter. Reid has withstood a great deal of media pressure on a lot of things that have much more impact on him personally than TO's locker room presence.

So it is really a matter of perception on the part of the voters, and the sources they rely on to form that perception, as to Owens' influence on the teams for which he played. In the minds of those voters, who have voted in several players with "character flaws," what Owens did deserves to have him sit for a while before he gets in.

Now, some of that may be related to how he treated the media at times. I don't doubt that there may be some of that, and his recent comments only add more fuel to that fire. In the end, it is certainly a combination of both of those things that have kept him out so far. For those that did not vote for him, his attitude only reinforces their perception that he was not a team player in some way. That will likely change at some future time but in the meantime, you don't run around calling it a "flawed process." A lot of deserving players had to wait, some for over a decade, but they got in. How long TO has to wait
Originally posted by 9moon:
Originally posted by jcs:
Originally posted by dj43:
Originally posted by 9moon:
the MEDIA made it a CANCER..

same MEDIA who didn't wanna go deeper to the Michael Irvin's cocaine and prostitution scandal because he was Michael Irvin who happened to be playing for what so many believe as "the America's Team"... or whatabout... LAWRENCE TAYLOR and his addicted to cocaine.. even he admitted that 90% of the coaching staff knew that he was on cocaine during his playing days...

Randy Moss mooned the fans of Green Bay and the whole NFL made a big deal about it, while Favre the diva that he thinks he is was trying to get under someone's skirt and got caught, and it just went away...

or whatabout Skip Bayless trying to prove Troy Aikman was a BUTT PIRATE??
As you note, teams have put up with questionable behavior in the past while not cutting the player. Those were star players just like TO. Teams kept those players because they felt their contribution to winning was more important than the abhorrent behavior. What the media said was of no consequence to teams that just wanted to win. That fact alone tends to discount the claim that the media was the source of the cancer, not the player.

If Owens was truly playing at a HOF level, and the "cancer" was not real, it is not logical to contend that a team would cut him just because the media was publicizing his behavior in the locker room. That argument doesn't fly.

In this example we should also look at the fact that the cowgirls didn't cut Irvin because of his shenanigans but had no issue dropping TO.

PURE POLITICS TO ME... PURE HYPOCRACY...

If it was only politics, why did they drop Owens and not Irvin?
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