Marcus Peters Thread

Originally posted by SunDevilNiner79:

Originally posted by AmpLee:
I have no problem with the team taking chances on players that have attitude problems or police records with later round picks. With first round picks, when you're building a young team that has lost so many veterans, you want talented high character guys with your early picks. I'm pretty consistent with this argument, so unless you want to argue the point I am making, it's you moving the goal posts. With how often your posts misrepresent arguments, I'm not sure you understand what it means to move the goal posts.

You're assuming that Peters is a "low" character player and that the player we picked is a "high" character player.

I personally would prefer an arrogant confident player that thinks he is the best in the world over a play that I assume is soft (Armstead). Give me a fighter who competes over someone who dissapears.

To me, having a lot of fight and competitiveness = high character on your team.

Originally posted by AmpLee:
I consider getting kicked off a team a big red flag. We can argue the semantics of "checkered-past", but for the sake of clarity, I was referring to his documented attitude problems with previous coaches, not a police record.

I haven't met the guy, but from reading his interviews and what here is about him on the internet, I didn't think he was a risk. You need cornerbacks that are mean angry cocky son-of-a-b***hes out there, just look at Norman. If they aren't arrogant (which IMO is where Peters problems with U-Dub stemmed from), your gonna be crushed in the NFL.

edit:
Sherman butted heads with Harbaugh at Stanford, does that make Sherman a low character player?

Good read on Peters getting kicked off Washington
http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/draft/2015/02/11/marcus-peters-washington-nfl-draft-combine/23259443/

The NFL Primetime guys were talking about adding Peters to DMVP category.

11 Tackles, 7 PD and 4 INT in three games.

Originally posted by Young2Rice:

The NFL Primetime guys were talking about adding Peters to DMVP category.

11 Tackles, 7 PD and 4 INT in three games.

Where is sus?

Originally posted by AmpLee:
SD, you're making an assumption that Arik Armstead is mentally soft, then accusing me about making an assumption on Peters' character. First off, that's a bit hypocritical, secondly I have never made any assumption of who Peters is. If he's chanelled his poor previous decisions into positive growth, then good for him. My argument is that when he was in the draft process there were questions on his character. Being kicked off a team for repeated poor behavior is a red flag for NFL teams. We don't have fortune tellers for a front office, but it makes sense to me that they didn't want to spend a high pick for a rebuilding roster on a guy that could potentially have a poor attitude, especially after a guy like Aldon burned this team months before (and I'm not comparing Peters to Aldon as their issues are different).

Peters discipline is entirely different than Aldon. You lumping them together is like me saying a player got in F in French class so it's a red flag. Peters problem largely stemmed from Sark leaving and Peters not trusting the new staff

Peters had no record whatsoever of being in legal trouble or off field problems. You are comparing apples to oranges.

And I know I'm assuming about Armstead but I'm openly admitting it. I didn't see any of the tough blue collar nasty attitude that you need to be a 3-4 DE during Armdteads college days and he was frequently rotated out, when left in his play dropped off. He has physical gifts so I assume it's a mental issue with him

Armstead's Football Character Red Flags:
-"An anonymous NFL scout called Oregon DL Arik Armstead a "great athlete" who is nonetheless "overrated" because he "plays when he wants to play.""

-"From PFF "Armstead shares Campbell's size and athletic gifts, but Renner wonders why everyone is forgetting that Campbell had as many sacks in his sophomore season (10.5) as Armstead did during his entire collegiate career. "Defensive line is one of the positions where physical freaks can easily dominate in college with little to no technique," Renner wrote. "That is why it's concerning that Armstead produced well outside the upper echelon of defensive linemen." Armstead ranked No. 20 in PFF's metrics of interior lineman versus Power 5 schools, logging mediocre numbers in both run-stop percentage (7.1) and pass-rushing productivity (6.0). "Those are worrisome numbers for a potential top-15 pick," Renner concluded"
-Quest4Six posted: " He constantly takes plays off, this is him when enganged with an offensive lineman"
-SofaKing posted : " He could be a dynamite player, but there's just too many red flags. Commitment issues, average production at best, and he's raw. "
-socal posted: "McShay and Polian on ESPN just Red Flagged AA due to poor Football Character - that is, concern about his commitment to the Game."

All quotes pulled from :http://www.49erswebzone.com/forum/nfl-draft/181423-arik-armstead-de-oregon/page13/search=armstead

Originally posted by Dino:

Originally posted by Young2Rice:
The NFL Primetime guys were talking about adding Peters to DMVP category.

11 Tackles, 7 PD and 4 INT in three games.

Where is sus?

sad part is we could have had Peters, Brock and Ward in the nickle that would have been pretty solid group. but baalke'd had to baalke another draft.

Originally posted by susweel:

Originally posted by Dino:

Originally posted by Young2Rice:

The NFL Primetime guys were talking about adding Peters to DMVP category.

11 Tackles, 7 PD and 4 INT in three games.

Where is sus?

sad part is we could have had Peters, Brock and Ward in the nickle that would have been pretty solid group. but baalke'd had to baalke another draft.

Looks like a big miss. Hard to find baller DBs like that.

Originally posted by susweel:


sad part is we could have had Peters, Brock and Ward in the nickle that would have been pretty solid group. but baalke'd had to baalke another draft.

Sorry bro, Baalke only drafts based on PFF so clearly this dude sucks.

Originally posted by itlynstalyn:

Originally posted by susweel:


sad part is we could have had Peters, Brock and Ward in the nickle that would have been pretty solid group. but baalke'd had to baalke another draft.

Sorry bro, Baalke only drafts based on PFF so clearly this dude sucks.

Now you got guys in here trying to scramble to find stuff why baalke didnt draft him. First it was oh he sucks gives up a lot of yards and TDs and now its back to character bs when baalke drafted a theif who steals from his teammates.

Originally posted by susweel:

Originally posted by itlynstalyn:

Originally posted by susweel:


sad part is we could have had Peters, Brock and Ward in the nickle that would have been pretty solid group. but baalke'd had to baalke another draft.

Sorry bro, Baalke only drafts based on PFF so clearly this dude sucks.

Now you got guys in here trying to scramble to find stuff why baalke didnt draft him. First it was oh he sucks gives up a lot of yards and TDs and now its back to character bs when baalke drafted a theif who steals from his teammates.

And Aldon Smith, whose pre-draft psych eval said he was a high risk for off-field trouble.

Originally posted by itlynstalyn:
And Aldon Smith, whose pre-draft psych eval said he was a high risk for off-field trouble.

I'm sure Anthony Davis was a refined mature gentleman during the evaluation process.

Originally posted by SunDevilNiner79:

Originally posted by itlynstalyn:
And Aldon Smith, whose pre-draft psych eval said he was a high risk for off-field trouble.

I'm sure Anthony Davis was a refined mature gentleman during the evaluation process.

His coach was a huge fan, lulz.

Originally posted by itlynstalyn:

Originally posted by SunDevilNiner79:

Originally posted by itlynstalyn:
And Aldon Smith, whose pre-draft psych eval said he was a high risk for off-field trouble.

I'm sure Anthony Davis was a refined mature gentleman during the evaluation process.

His coach was a huge fan, lulz.

Baalke even let AD back after he was talking s**t about him and the team on twitter.

That's how terrible Baalke's managerial acumen is.

Did peters play last night? Holy smokes that defensive backfield got SMOKED!

Originally posted by StOnEy333:
Did peters play last night? Holy smokes that defensive backfield got SMOKED!

From the parts I saw, he was on Sammie Coates. Here is Peters getting burned on a big play



Outside of that, I didn't see Peters get beat for big plays. But maybe someone else saw it, I wasn't totally focused on the lop sided game.

Chiefs D is set up to defend the short/intermediate plays, and hope the pass rush forces the QB to throw early. Long/deep plays are a major vulnerability and they got lit up by Roeth being on fire deep.