Originally posted by Hysterikal:I think that's a s**t deal
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Feb 24, 2018 at 7:52 AM
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Feb 24, 2018 at 8:29 AM
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Can he cover Garcon?
Feb 24, 2018 at 8:31 AM
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Originally posted by socalniner:
Can he cover Garcon?
Garcon, yes...Goodwin on the other hand has the speed to torch him on a regular basis.
Feb 24, 2018 at 10:43 AM
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Originally posted by FL9er:
Originally posted by dj43:
Johnson will be on the market now for sure. The question is: Is he worth the price? He is coming off a less than stellar year.
Kyle Fuller and Rashaan Melvin may also be available. Both had better years and will cost less.
Not really.
Do you disagree with the cost or the fact Fuller and Melvin ranked higher than Johnson?
PFF ranking is somewhat general, however, it does give a relative ranking. Among all CBs, Melvin was ranked #17, Fuller was ranked #22, while Johnson was #68. TBH, I was surprised Johnson was that low but it is what it is.
Johnson's deal was $16,7M/yr. He will be lucky to get that again, IMO. Fuller and Melvin will get rich but $11-13M is about where they will wind up, plus incentives.
Feb 24, 2018 at 10:48 AM
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Originally posted by dj43:What method does PFF use to rank CB's?
Originally posted by FL9er:
Originally posted by dj43:
Johnson will be on the market now for sure. The question is: Is he worth the price? He is coming off a less than stellar year.
Kyle Fuller and Rashaan Melvin may also be available. Both had better years and will cost less.
Not really.
Do you disagree with the cost or the fact Fuller and Melvin ranked higher than Johnson?
PFF ranking is somewhat general, however, it does give a relative ranking. Among all CBs, Melvin was ranked #17, Fuller was ranked #22, while Johnson was #68. TBH, I was surprised Johnson was that low but it is what it is.
Johnson's deal was $16,7M/yr. He will be lucky to get that again, IMO. Fuller and Melvin will get rich but $11-13M is about where they will wind up, plus incentives.
Feb 24, 2018 at 10:56 AM
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Originally posted by jcs:
Originally posted by dj43:What method does PFF use to rank CB's?
Originally posted by FL9er:
Originally posted by dj43:
Johnson will be on the market now for sure. The question is: Is he worth the price? He is coming off a less than stellar year.
Kyle Fuller and Rashaan Melvin may also be available. Both had better years and will cost less.
Not really.
Do you disagree with the cost or the fact Fuller and Melvin ranked higher than Johnson?
PFF ranking is somewhat general, however, it does give a relative ranking. Among all CBs, Melvin was ranked #17, Fuller was ranked #22, while Johnson was #68. TBH, I was surprised Johnson was that low but it is what it is.
Johnson's deal was $16,7M/yr. He will be lucky to get that again, IMO. Fuller and Melvin will get rich but $11-13M is about where they will wind up, plus incentives.
I can't give you analytic details but I do know they evaluate each play in which the player was involved. They offer two levels of stats. I only bought Edge which grades overall coverage, run defense and pass rush. Elite gives more detailed analysis to support the overall ranking.
[ Edited by dj43 on Feb 24, 2018 at 10:57 AM ]
Feb 24, 2018 at 12:29 PM
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Chiefs radio station circulating rumours that the deal may include a player coming back for Peters ala the Alex smith trade. Kind of odd that details of the trade have not fully surfaced yet,perhaps chiefs are holding out for more in return.
Feb 24, 2018 at 1:31 PM
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Originally posted by dj43:
Do you disagree with the cost or the fact Fuller and Melvin ranked higher than Johnson?
PFF ranking is somewhat general, however, it does give a relative ranking. Among all CBs, Melvin was ranked #17, Fuller was ranked #22, while Johnson was #68. TBH, I was surprised Johnson was that low but it is what it is.
Johnson's deal was $16,7M/yr. He will be lucky to get that again, IMO. Fuller and Melvin will get rich but $11-13M is about where they will wind up, plus incentives.
All I know is that Rams fans don't seem to care if Johnson comes back or not. He's a guy who is really up and down, good game, terrible game, good game, terrible game, gets beat far too often to be considered a premium CB or to be paid like one. I would rather the 49ers look elsewhere, especially if they can get a guy who has had similar performances for less money.
Feb 24, 2018 at 1:32 PM
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Originally posted by Bellaleo:
Chiefs radio station circulating rumours that the deal may include a player coming back for Peters ala the Alex smith trade. Kind of odd that details of the trade have not fully surfaced yet,perhaps chiefs are holding out for more in return.
Well nothing is final or official until the new league year starts. So I wouldn't doubt it if something like that does happen.
Feb 24, 2018 at 1:44 PM
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Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:Originally posted by dj43:Do you disagree with the cost or the fact Fuller and Melvin ranked higher than Johnson?
PFF ranking is somewhat general, however, it does give a relative ranking. Among all CBs, Melvin was ranked #17, Fuller was ranked #22, while Johnson was #68. TBH, I was surprised Johnson was that low but it is what it is.
Johnson's deal was $16,7M/yr. He will be lucky to get that again, IMO. Fuller and Melvin will get rich but $11-13M is about where they will wind up, plus incentives.
All I know is that Rams fans don't seem to care if Johnson comes back or not. He's a guy who is really up and down, good game, terrible game, good game, terrible game, gets beat far too often to be considered a premium CB or to be paid like one. I would rather the 49ers look elsewhere, especially if they can get a guy who has had similar performances for less money.
This. Not thrilled at the prospect of paying this guy major #1 type money
Feb 24, 2018 at 1:50 PM
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Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:All I know is that Rams fans don't seem to care if Johnson comes back or not. He's a guy who is really up and down, good game, terrible game, good game, terrible game, gets beat far too often to be considered a premium CB or to be paid like one. I would rather the 49ers look elsewhere, especially if they can get a guy who has had similar performances for less money.
They will when Peters starts to cost them games lol.
Feb 24, 2018 at 2:01 PM
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Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:Originally posted by dj43:Do you disagree with the cost or the fact Fuller and Melvin ranked higher than Johnson?
PFF ranking is somewhat general, however, it does give a relative ranking. Among all CBs, Melvin was ranked #17, Fuller was ranked #22, while Johnson was #68. TBH, I was surprised Johnson was that low but it is what it is.
Johnson's deal was $16,7M/yr. He will be lucky to get that again, IMO. Fuller and Melvin will get rich but $11-13M is about where they will wind up, plus incentives.
All I know is that Rams fans don't seem to care if Johnson comes back or not. He's a guy who is really up and down, good game, terrible game, good game, terrible game, gets beat far too often to be considered a premium CB or to be paid like one. I would rather the 49ers look elsewhere, especially if they can get a guy who has had similar performances for less money.
Thank you Phoenix. This is what the reality is with him when you actually watch games and not just the highlight clips.
Feb 24, 2018 at 2:51 PM
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Originally posted by Ninerblood:They will when Peters starts to cost them games lol.
Lol he's one of the best corners in the game. Yes he gets beat (just like every other DB) but he creates more TOs than any player in the game. He's been a main contributor to more wins than he has losses.
We like to tell ourselves he's not that good, because Baalke took Amstrad over him and now he's on the Rams, but he's one of the best in the game at his position. We just need to accept it already.
[ Edited by CharlieSheen on Feb 24, 2018 at 2:52 PM ]
Feb 24, 2018 at 2:54 PM
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Originally posted by CharlieSheen:Originally posted by Ninerblood:They will when Peters starts to cost them games lol.
Lol he's one of the best corners in the game. Yes he gets beat (just like every other DB) but he creates more TOs than any player in the game. He's been a main contributor to more wins than he has losses.
We like to tell ourselves he's not that good, because Baalke took Amstrad over him and now he's on the Rams, but he's one of the best in the game at his position, just accept it already.
Lol dude I wasnt speaking about his talent... i know he's good. Its his personality i was referring to. They have a very young coach and as good a he is, i hope he can control Peters when he loses it on the field.
[ Edited by Ninerblood on Feb 24, 2018 at 2:54 PM ]
Feb 24, 2018 at 3:04 PM
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Originally posted by Ninerblood:Lol dude I wasnt speaking about his talent... i know he's good. Its his personality i was referring to. They have a very young coach and as good a he is, i hope he can control Peters when he loses it on the field.
How often does he really cost his team games? I'll take one or two incidents a year if you're the top defensive playmaker in the NFL. He's not one of those all time "lockdown" guy's, but he truly is proving to be an all time playmaker. He's as good as you'll find in the game today.