Marcus Peters Thread

Originally posted by itlynstalyn:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
And has he not acted like that? I told you that Matt Miller spoke to a SF executive during the draft process and he stated they couldn't bring him into SF because one he was bi-polar and two he had ties to the Oakland streets. They simply couldn't put him in SF because of that.

NOW add in that KC was so willing to move him after his amazing play and no teams outside of the Rams (or even the GM that did draft him) offered anything for him, well those are issues, if you do not think they are that's cool.

You asked a question and I answered it. Now you're avoiding mine. All I can infer from your statement by saying "pass" is that it's a bad trade. Hence my explanation as to why it's a good one for the Rams. You can stop moving the goal posts now, I'm done explaining.

I never said it was a bad trade...worth a shot for them, if they actually think they can do a better job than Andy Reid can at creating a great locker room and dealing with a knucklehead.

Don't be surprised if a yr from now we're talking about Peters holding out or creating some BS in the locker room.

my debate was and has always been (even during the draft process) that the kid had red flags all over him. All this leads me to believe that there's some truth to it.

I'm glad SF didn't make the trade ONE knucklehead per locker room

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Nope that's how sus rolls. Peters comes in and he'll proclaim we gave up too much lol.

Per a report from Matt Miller after he spoke to a SF executive about Peters they stated that he was bi-polar with street ties to Oakland. He wasn't an option because of this.

Throw in no other team was willing to trade for him including Dorsey or Ballard that's an issue, Also Andy Reid who's been know to handle/draft red flag players had enough and moved on from him...those are issues regardless of talent.

We already have a knucklehead in the locker room.

Not saying that isn't what sus would say just that it would be true that people would make excuses for Peters and be excited if we got him. It goes both ways. That is what most people did with Foster (myself included) did they not? Not arguing whether or not you would approve of this move but a good chunk of the webzone seems to be apologists for player acquisitions if the GM/HC is in good standings with the fans. Sometimes even the best talent evaluators are wrong on players.

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by Fanaticofnfl:
Trade isn't official. I don't know what's stopping other GM's from giving KC a call this very moment after the news came out.

I'm pretty sure the trade is officially made...just can't announce it until 3/14.

Nothing official about it. They can "agree" on whatever. Another team can still jump in and KC could still change their mind for the better of their own team. Would it be a little low, maybe. Not nearly as low as what McDaniels did, though. It is a business, after all.

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by DRnSFw:
You guys ever stop and think that Reid didnt want to trade him to a team in the AFC like Belicheat didnt want to trade JG to any team in the AFC.

In all honesty what has peters done off the field that has gotten him in trouble?

Has he been arrested for having a pound of weed? Arrested for DV? Oh yeah thats our 1st round pick from last year.

Only issues ive seen with peters has been on field stuff.

So im sorry if im not seeing any red flags with this kid.

Only red flags we gonna be seeing is the Red Challenge flag from Shanny when Peters picks off a jimmy g pass to make sure it really was intercepted

From an earlier KC source I noted, there was a lot of "Monday through Saturday" stuff that had been going on and the Chiefs were not willing to put up with it anymore.

has he gotten arrested for those "Monday thru Saturday" stuff tho?

Originally posted by itlynstalyn:
You asked a question and I answered it. Now you're avoiding mine. All I can infer from your statement by saying "pass" is that it's a bad trade. Hence my explanation as to why it's a good one for the Rams. You can stop moving the goal posts now, I'm done explaining.

Stop making this into something it's not.

There is a middle ground between

"49ers stupid as hell, Rams just won the offseason and got themselves a HOF corner that will pick off Jimmy G 10 times a game"

and

"Rams just wasted important draft picks on a bum who will be out of the league by the time regular season rolls around"

It's called...wait and see.

It's a good move for the Rams in terms of draft compensation for the type of talent they got. We have to see if Peters as a person makes them look brilliant, stupid or something in the middle. As long as it's not making them look stupid then it's a great move for them.

But it doesn't mean it would be a smart move for the 49ers. This team still has a lot to prove. Rams won the division last year, they have a pretty good pass rush which makes corners look better and they have a great DC in place in Wade Phillips. Considering where Peters comes from putting him so close to his boys would've been a much bigger risk for the 49ers than it was for the Rams.

Originally posted by Waterbear:
Not saying that isn't what sus would say just that it would be true that people would make excuses for Peters and be excited if we got him. It goes both ways. That is what most people did with Foster (myself included) did they not? Not arguing whether or not you would approve of this move but a good chunk of the webzone seems to be apologists for player acquisitions if the GM/HC is in good standings with the fans. Sometimes even the best talent evaluators are wrong on players.

I would have been excited if we had gotten Peters. The fact that KC got so little out of it though and STILL no other GM's are jumping in is a bit of a red flag to me, though.

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by itlynstalyn:
Read the article, then get back to me. I never said he's a cancer at all, just that their locker room chemistry clearly isn't the best and it hasn't been an issue for them.

I've read it...nowhere in there is there anything to claim there are locker room issues between the players.

And as has already been mentioned the story is BS for the most part.

Apparently not, but whatever.

Brady, though, seemed liberated. Kraft hugged Brady when he saw him that week, in full view of teammates. A few days later during practice, some players and staffers noticed that Brady seemed especially excited, hollering and cajoling. Brady was once again the team's present and future. His new backup, Brian Hoyer, was a longtime friend and not a threat. The owner was in Brady's corner. "He won," a Patriots staffer says.

Brady would tell teammates, "Bill's answer to everything is to lift more weights" -- a claim that many staffers and players felt was unfair, given the team's dedication to soft-tissue science and a healthy diet.

An email designed to solve problems only created more of them. Guerrero texted some of the Patriots players who were clients and specified, he says now, "that I would need to treat them at the TB12 Sports Therapy Center." But several players told staffers and coaches that Guerrero gave them the impression that Belichick would no longer allow them to work with him. In the view of many Patriots, it was an example of Guerrero trying to split the organization by turning players against Belichick.

Jimmy G is gonna make Marcus Peters his b***h for years to come

Originally posted by DRnSFw:
has he gotten arrested for those "Monday thru Saturday" stuff tho?

It's called pick your poison. Neither is great but when other players see a guy not putting in the work and getting special treatment it never leads to good things in the locker room.

One guy messing around and not taking things seriously could throw off the whole team. One guy getting arrested certainly doesn't help things either but then when he's suspended he's not around to mess with team mojo.

Originally posted by genus49:
Stop making this into something it's not.

There is a middle ground between

"49ers stupid as hell, Rams just won the offseason and got themselves a HOF corner that will pick off Jimmy G 10 times a game"

and

"Rams just wasted important draft picks on a bum who will be out of the league by the time regular season rolls around"

It's called...wait and see.

It's a good move for the Rams in terms of draft compensation for the type of talent they got. We have to see if Peters as a person makes them look brilliant, stupid or something in the middle. As long as it's not making them look stupid then it's a great move for them.

But it doesn't mean it would be a smart move for the 49ers. This team still has a lot to prove. Rams won the division last year, they have a pretty good pass rush which makes corners look better and they have a great DC in place in Wade Phillips. Considering where Peters comes from putting him so close to his boys would've been a much bigger risk for the 49ers than it was for the Rams.

Thank you!

Like I said, this isn't black and white. Remember when we all despised the John Lynch hiring when it happened? Now we all love him. Remember when we all assumed Foster was a great pick when it happened? Now the vast majority of people are thinking bust. And guess what? All four of these perceptions are highly exaggerated. It's all about context and the moment.

Originally posted by evil:

Originally posted by DRnSFw:
You guys ever stop and think that Reid didnt want to trade him to a team in the AFC like Belicheat didnt want to trade JG to any team in the AFC.

In all honesty what has peters done off the field that has gotten him in trouble?

Has he been arrested for having a pound of weed? Arrested for DV? Oh yeah thats our 1st round pick from last year.

Only issues ive seen with peters has been on field stuff.

So im sorry if im not seeing any red flags with this kid.

Only red flags we gonna be seeing is the Red Challenge flag from Shanny when Peters picks off a jimmy g pass to make sure it really was intercepted

There are reports that Veach reached out to the Browns and Colts to gauge interest in Peters so there goes your theory.

Peters flags are not off the field but on the field and in the locker room.

yeah the brown and colts gauged interest, Reid didn't want to trade him within conference and have to face him more often than if he traded him to the NFC where he'd only face him once every 4 years, did you even read what I wrote, theory was spot on.

Charles Haley wasn't a joy to have in the locker room either, teams put up with it tho didn't they?

Originally posted by DRnSFw:
yeah the brown and colts gauged interest, Reid didn't want to trade him within conference and have to face him more often than if he traded him to the NFC where he'd only face him once every 4 years, did you even read what I wrote, theory was spot on.

Charles Haley wasn't a joy to have in the locker room either, teams put up with it tho didn't they?

Yeah. They should be scared of the Browns

And let's refer to an outlier from over 20 years ago. That'll show 'em!

Originally posted by DRnSFw:

Originally posted by evil:

Originally posted by DRnSFw:

You guys ever stop and think that Reid didnt want to trade him to a team in the AFC like Belicheat didnt want to trade JG to any team in the AFC.

In all honesty what has peters done off the field that has gotten him in trouble?

Has he been arrested for having a pound of weed? Arrested for DV? Oh yeah thats our 1st round pick from last year.

Only issues ive seen with peters has been on field stuff.

So im sorry if im not seeing any red flags with this kid.

Only red flags we gonna be seeing is the Red Challenge flag from Shanny when Peters picks off a jimmy g pass to make sure it really was intercepted

There are reports that Veach reached out to the Browns and Colts to gauge interest in Peters so there goes your theory.

Peters flags are not off the field but on the field and in the locker room.

yeah the brown and colts gauged interest, Reid didn't want to trade him within conference and have to face him more often than if he traded him to the NFC where he'd only face him once every 4 years, did you even read what I wrote, theory was spot on.

Charles Haley wasn't a joy to have in the locker room either, teams put up with it tho didn't they?

Every locker room is different. Not every locker room is set up to be able to handle strong personalities.

If Reid did not want to trade him within the Conference then why would his FO calling 2 teams from within said conference to see if they were interested? Your theory makes no sense.

Originally posted by DRnSFw:
yeah the brown and colts gauged interest, Reid didn't want to trade him within conference and have to face him more often than if he traded him to the NFC where he'd only face him once every 4 years, did you even read what I wrote, theory was spot on.

Charles Haley wasn't a joy to have in the locker room either, teams put up with it tho didn't they?

By what picking up the call from KC?

Charles Haley got moved once he became too much to handle. As someone else said above not every locker room is the same. Some teams can handle guys like that but others can't or dont' want to.

Originally posted by DRnSFw:

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by DRnSFw:
You guys ever stop and think that Reid didnt want to trade him to a team in the AFC like Belicheat didnt want to trade JG to any team in the AFC.

In all honesty what has peters done off the field that has gotten him in trouble?

Has he been arrested for having a pound of weed? Arrested for DV? Oh yeah thats our 1st round pick from last year.

Only issues ive seen with peters has been on field stuff.

So im sorry if im not seeing any red flags with this kid.

Only red flags we gonna be seeing is the Red Challenge flag from Shanny when Peters picks off a jimmy g pass to make sure it really was intercepted

From an earlier KC source I noted, there was a lot of "Monday through Saturday" stuff that had been going on and the Chiefs were not willing to put up with it anymore.

has he gotten arrested for those "Monday thru Saturday" stuff tho?

You don't have to be arrested to show yourself to be more of a negative than your play will overshadow. Clearly, whatever the issues were, they were more than Andy Reid, a "players coach," was will to tolerate any longer.

KC just received a very nice DB in the Alex Smith trade. That allowed them to make this deal with the expectation that they can fill the gap in the draft. We'll see.