Marcus Peters Thread

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Nope that's how sus rolls. Peters comes in and he'll proclaim we gave up too much lol.

Per a report from Matt Miller after he spoke to a SF executive about Peters they stated that he was bi-polar with street ties to Oakland. He wasn't an option because of this.

Throw in no other team was willing to trade for him including Dorsey or Ballard that's an issue, Also Andy Reid who's been know to handle/draft red flag players had enough and moved on from him...those are issues regardless of talent.

We already have a knucklehead in the locker room.

Not saying that isn't what sus would say just that it would be true that people would make excuses for Peters and be excited if we got him. It goes both ways. That is what most people did with Foster (myself included) did they not? Not arguing whether or not you would approve of this move but a good chunk of the webzone seems to be apologists for player acquisitions if the GM/HC is in good standings with the fans. Sometimes even the best talent evaluators are wrong on players.

I for one stated Foster was a knucklehead and part of the reason I didn't want to draft him top 10...I was hoping that he got his s**t together and it kinda seemed like it after listening to the coaching staff and him. BUT apparently we got a ways to go on that

My whole point with Peters (and it's been this way since the draft) was he had issues, talent not in question (was my favorite CB in the draft) after all of this and how teams didn't even bother to throw their name into the hat, it kinda raises some eyebrows on those "red flags" and that there is some truth to it.

that's all

Originally posted by itlynstalyn:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by itlynstalyn:
Read the article, then get back to me. I never said he's a cancer at all, just that their locker room chemistry clearly isn't the best and it hasn't been an issue for them.

I've read it...nowhere in there is there anything to claim there are locker room issues between the players.

And as has already been mentioned the story is BS for the most part.

Apparently not, but whatever.

Brady, though, seemed liberated. Kraft hugged Brady when he saw him that week, in full view of teammates. A few days later during practice, some players and staffers noticed that Brady seemed especially excited, hollering and cajoling. Brady was once again the team's present and future. His new backup, Brian Hoyer, was a longtime friend and not a threat. The owner was in Brady's corner. "He won," a Patriots staffer says.

Brady would tell teammates, "Bill's answer to everything is to lift more weights" -- a claim that many staffers and players felt was unfair, given the team's dedication to soft-tissue science and a healthy diet.

An email designed to solve problems only created more of them. Guerrero texted some of the Patriots players who were clients and specified, he says now, "that I would need to treat them at the TB12 Sports Therapy Center." But several players told staffers and coaches that Guerrero gave them the impression that Belichick would no longer allow them to work with him. In the view of many Patriots, it was an example of Guerrero trying to split the organization by turning players against Belichick.

Honestly wtf are you talking about?

How does any of that indicate Brady's attitude is causing issues in the locker room?

Originally posted by NYniner85:
I for one stated Foster was a knucklehead and part of the reason I didn't want to draft him top 10...I was hoping that he got his s**t together and it kinda seemed like it after listening to the coaching staff and him. BUT apparently we got a ways to go on that

My whole point with Peters (and it's been this way since the draft) was he had issues, talent not in question (was my favorite CB in the draft) after all of this and how teams didn't even bother to throw their name into the hat, it kinda raises some eyebrows on those "red flags" and that there is some truth to it.

that's all

Again, you have absolutely no idea what teams did or did not "throw their name into the hat." Just because a team didnt make an official offer, doesnt mean they didnt at least gauge interest.

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by okdkid:

Originally posted by dj43:
A 4th this year and a 2nd next year. WOW!

I am surprised. The Chiefs need a lot of help, especially on defense. I thought they would at least get the 2nd this year.

It is looking more and more like they are going into full re-build mode and this was the best they could get for a guy that was definitely not in their future plans.

I'm not. Fans dramatically overvalue non-QB trade comp.

Non-QBs just aren't nearly as valuable. You can count non-QBs who would could fetch a 1st round pick on one hand.

He's not a QB but he is an All Pro at arguably one of the four most important position on a football team: QB, pass rusher, MLB and CB, being the others.

In effect, the 2nd next year is considered to be the equivalent of a 3rd this year. That is not much for a top-tier player at a critical position.

Not much relative to what? Other trades for non-QBs? Because those types of guys never move for than the fan perceived value.

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
I for one stated Foster was a knucklehead and part of the reason I didn't want to draft him top 10...I was hoping that he got his s**t together and it kinda seemed like it after listening to the coaching staff and him. BUT apparently we got a ways to go on that

My whole point with Peters (and it's been this way since the draft) was he had issues, talent not in question (was my favorite CB in the draft) after all of this and how teams didn't even bother to throw their name into the hat, it kinda raises some eyebrows on those "red flags" and that there is some truth to it.

that's all

Again, you have absolutely no idea what teams did or did not "throw their name into the hat." Just because a team didnt make an official offer, doesnt mean they didnt at least gauge interest.

Only team that reportedly had any interest was SF and they didn't make a offer


I'm going off what was reported if you want to go off other stuff then you're just guessing.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

I for one stated Foster was a knucklehead and part of the reason I didn't want to draft him top 10...I was hoping that he got his s**t together and it kinda seemed like it after listening to the coaching staff and him. BUT apparently we got a ways to go on that

My whole point with Peters (and it's been this way since the draft) was he had issues, talent not in question (was my favorite CB in the draft) after all of this and how teams didn't even bother to throw their name into the hat, it kinda raises some eyebrows on those "red flags" and that there is some truth to it.

that's all

Again, you have absolutely no idea what teams did or did not "throw their name into the hat." Just because a team didnt make an official offer, doesnt mean they didnt at least gauge interest.

If Marcus Peters could have fetched more in trade compensation, he would have.

Period.

— Benjamin Allbright (@AllbrightNFL) February 26, 2018

Amazing that is all they could get for the guy, but is what it is

Originally posted by tohara3:

Amazing that is all they could get for the guy, but is what it is

Imo players in nfl are incredibly undervalued in trades, and draft picks incredibly overvalued. Dat Salary Cap effect

Originally posted by tohara3:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
I for one stated Foster was a knucklehead and part of the reason I didn't want to draft him top 10...I was hoping that he got his s**t together and it kinda seemed like it after listening to the coaching staff and him. BUT apparently we got a ways to go on that

My whole point with Peters (and it's been this way since the draft) was he had issues, talent not in question (was my favorite CB in the draft) after all of this and how teams didn't even bother to throw their name into the hat, it kinda raises some eyebrows on those "red flags" and that there is some truth to it.

that's all

Again, you have absolutely no idea what teams did or did not "throw their name into the hat." Just because a team didnt make an official offer, doesnt mean they didnt at least gauge interest.

If Marcus Peters could have fetched more in trade compensation, he would have.

Period.

— Benjamin Allbright (@AllbrightNFL) February 26, 2018

Amazing that is all they could get for the guy, but is what it is

Wait the details are out now what did they get?

Originally posted by Waterbear:
Wait the details are out now what did they get?

4th this yr and 2nd next yr

Originally posted by okdkid:

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by okdkid:

Originally posted by dj43:
A 4th this year and a 2nd next year. WOW!

I am surprised. The Chiefs need a lot of help, especially on defense. I thought they would at least get the 2nd this year.

It is looking more and more like they are going into full re-build mode and this was the best they could get for a guy that was definitely not in their future plans.

I'm not. Fans dramatically overvalue non-QB trade comp.

Non-QBs just aren't nearly as valuable. You can count non-QBs who would could fetch a 1st round pick on one hand.

He's not a QB but he is an All Pro at arguably one of the four most important position on a football team: QB, pass rusher, MLB and CB, being the others.

In effect, the 2nd next year is considered to be the equivalent of a 3rd this year. That is not much for a top-tier player at a critical position.

Not much relative to what? Other trades for non-QBs? Because those types of guys never move for than the fan perceived value.

TBH, we don't have much on which to judge because these kinds of players just do not get traded very often. When is the last time any non-QB was traded while playing at a Pro Bowl-plus level?

As multiple pro observers, nor fans, have noted, this was a very surprising move by KC.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

If Haley was playing in today's game he would have been out of league...different time period.

Dude all I've argued with you is that he's got red flags and I've proved multiple examples. Good young player that a team didn't want, kicked out of college, NO teams wanted him in trade talks etc...

Originally posted by dj43:

TBH, we don't have much on which to judge because these kinds of players just do not get traded very often. When is the last time any non-QB was traded while playing at a Pro Bowl-plus level?

As multiple pro observers, nor fans, have noted, this was a very surprising move by KC.

Why is it a surprise move by KC? Its clear they wanted him out of there. Whats so hard to understand? Peters is top notch talent, but dude has been kicked out football in college for having arguments and disputes with coaches and it looks like it tranferred over into the NFL. As good a coach McVay is, i hope he can control Peters.

We gave up less for our Franchise QB.
/thread

Originally posted by ninerfan4life:
We gave up less for our Franchise QB.
/thread

Winnar winnar chicken dinner.

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by ninerfan4life:

We gave up less for our Franchise QB.
/thread

Winnar winnar chicken dinner.

Is that because 31 other teams didn't make an offer ?

There has to be more to the story because otherwise KC got ripped off. Like maybe the Rams don't expect to be able to re'sign him and are simply trying to make a run at a title the next two years and are hoping Peters doesn't wig out in that time.