DeForest Buckner Traded to the Colts

DeFo should be extended this offseason before the market value goes even higher, he's as good as Aaron Donald IMO, better than Kawaan Short IMO, 12 sacks, and no Pro Bowl, complete utter BS.

Originally posted by AB81Rules:
DeFo should be extended this offseason before the market value goes even higher, he's as good as Aaron Donald IMO, better than Kawaan Short IMO, 12 sacks, and no Pro Bowl, complete utter BS.

you meant to say DeFo COULD BE AS GOOD AS Donald.... right ????

.. but not AS GOOD AS.... right??

Originally posted by 9moon:

Originally posted by AB81Rules:
DeFo should be extended this offseason before the market value goes even higher, he's as good as Aaron Donald IMO, better than Kawaan Short IMO, 12 sacks, and no Pro Bowl, complete utter BS.

you meant to say DeFo COULD BE AS GOOD AS Donald.... right ????

.. but not AS GOOD AS.... right??

Where did I say not as as, and who? I'm confused.

Originally posted by AB81Rules:

DeFo should be extended this offseason before the market value goes even higher, he's as good as Aaron Donald IMO, better than Kawaan Short IMO, 12 sacks, and no Pro Bowl, complete utter BS.

Sorry AB, I love Defo, but Donald is on a level all on his own.

Let's still pay the man, it's more to do with the message we send by not messing around. You play well you get paid done.

I can't wait until next year when we have a legit pass rush from the edges and Buckner just destroys the league.

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:

Originally posted by AB81Rules:
DeFo should be extended this offseason before the market value goes even higher, he's as good as Aaron Donald IMO, better than Kawaan Short IMO, 12 sacks, and no Pro Bowl, complete utter BS.

Sorry AB, I love Defo, but Donald is on a level all on his own.

Let's still pay the man, it's more to do with the message we send by not messing around. You play well you get paid done.

I know Donald is tremendous, but Buckner is no slouch, I really think with the right DL around him he can be as good as Donald.

Considering all the leverage and cheap tags the Niners have at their disposal - this 2nd string Pro Bowl player should get $14m/year maximum

Niners can keep him far below that for the next 3 years. Can't give this dude top money like he's a UFA. He's not.

If he wants to bet on himself until he gets to UFA...that's great. Give us that problem. Otherwise, if he wants big money now — it'll come at a discount. He is under easy team control for FOUR more years.

Originally posted by okdkid:

Considering all the leverage and cheap tags the Niners have at their disposal - this 2nd string Pro Bowl player should get $14m/year maximum

Niners can keep him far below that for the next 3 years. Can't give this dude top money like he's a UFA. He's not.

If he wants to bet on himself until he gets to UFA...that's great. Give us that problem. Otherwise, if he wants big money now — it'll come at a discount. He is under easy team control for FOUR more years.

I understand being short term frugal, but why would we try to shortchange our best defensive player instead of paying him what he's rightfully earned? That's how negotiations get ugly.

From what I've read, and I believe AB says the same thing, long term its actually more affordable to extend now.

Originally posted by OnTheClock:

Originally posted by okdkid:

Considering all the leverage and cheap tags the Niners have at their disposal - this 2nd string Pro Bowl player should get $14m/year maximum

Niners can keep him far below that for the next 3 years. Can't give this dude top money like he's a UFA. He's not.

If he wants to bet on himself until he gets to UFA...that's great. Give us that problem. Otherwise, if he wants big money now — it'll come at a discount. He is under easy team control for FOUR more years.

I understand being short term frugal, but why would we try to shortchange our best defensive player instead of paying him what he's rightfully earned? That's how negotiations get ugly.

From what I've read, and I believe AB says the same thing, long term its actually more affordable to extend now.

How is $14m "frugal" when it's his franchise number?

Originally posted by AB81Rules:

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:

Originally posted by AB81Rules:

DeFo should be extended this offseason before the market value goes even higher, he's as good as Aaron Donald IMO, better than Kawaan Short IMO, 12 sacks, and no Pro Bowl, complete utter BS.

Sorry AB, I love Defo, but Donald is on a level all on his own.

Let's still pay the man, it's more to do with the message we send by not messing around. You play well you get paid done.

I know Donald is tremendous, but Buckner is no slouch, I really think with the right DL around him he can be as good as Donald.

People need to compare what DeFo is doing now to what Donald was doing when he was 24. Its easy to forgot that Donald is 3 years older than DeFo since DeFo came out a year younger.

I think people like Buckner so much they think paying him anything less than Donald money is an insult.

This is a business. And the very fact that he will be extended with FOUR years of team control — INCLUDING the team giving up two years of extremely affordable salaries will look great to all future FAs. Nobody needs to use the "if we don't give him big money now no other FAs will come here". It simply does not apply in today's NFL. All players are mercenaries.

Originally posted by OnTheClock:

Originally posted by okdkid:

Considering all the leverage and cheap tags the Niners have at their disposal - this 2nd string Pro Bowl player should get $14m/year maximum

Niners can keep him far below that for the next 3 years. Can't give this dude top money like he's a UFA. He's not.

If he wants to bet on himself until he gets to UFA...that's great. Give us that problem. Otherwise, if he wants big money now — it'll come at a discount. He is under easy team control for FOUR more years.

I understand being short term frugal, but why would we try to shortchange our best defensive player instead of paying him what he's rightfully earned? That's how negotiations get ugly.

From what I've read, and I believe AB says the same thing, long term its actually more affordable to extend now.

Not really. Why pay him $15M+ this year on a long term contract when you can pay him that over the next two years...total?

Aaron Donald is a RARE breed. He and Mack reset the market but they have their own market. Buckner plays inside. Those are much cheaper contracts. It's not like every DT is suddenly going to make what Aaron Donald made. These aren't QB's.

From a business standpoint, it makes sense to sit on him for two years and then work out a contract extension then. If you can't reach an agreement, THEN franchise tag him which will still only be $16M+ tops.

Much like Jimmy you pay him now. Paraag will make it a team friendly deal. That's not something to worry about no matter what fluff is there.

Originally posted by tjd808185:

Much like Jimmy you pay him now. Paraag will make it a team friendly deal. That's not something to worry about no matter what fluff is there.

We didn't have Garropolo on a $5M and then $10M deal over the next two years. It was FT or pay the man. There was nothing team friendly about it save for the $36M we could pay him this year to help reduce the costs a bit going forward.

Originally posted by tjd808185:

Much like Jimmy you pay him now. Paraag will make it a team friendly deal. That's not something to worry about no matter what fluff is there.

Nobody is saying don't extend him.

Also - Garoppolo and Buckner are not even remotely close situations. Only similarity is the team.

Garoppolo plays the most premium position in sports, had a mere 7 game sample size, was only on the roster for three months and only had two tags at the team's disposal.

None of those things apply to Buckner.