DeForest Buckner Traded to the Colts

Originally posted by GhostOfBaalke:
This made me lose a lot of the hope I had left for Thomas. Not sure how I missed this. One year apart, similar rosters. Buck vs Oregon state, Thomas vs Oregon state. Looks very different. One guy does his job ok. And one guy gets constant penetration.

On the bright side. We're extremely lucky to have Buckner. Dude is unbelievable.

thomas is the invisible man in this game.

Originally posted by Ensatsu:

Extend him now before his numbers get too high

You could but keep in mind:

He's only counting $5.79M in 2019 and then we can exercise his 5th year option ($10M) and then Franchise Tag him cheap ($14-$16M) since he plays on the interior.

There's no rush. Even if he has a better year next year, he's not getting Donald/QB money... maybe an extra $1M on top of his salary range he's already at/expected.

If we move him out to BE, that changes everything re: his cost. He's a bargain inside.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Ensatsu:

Extend him now before his numbers get too high

You could but keep in mind:

He's only counting $5.79M in 2019 and then we can exercise his 5th year option ($10M) and then Franchise Tag him cheap ($14-$16M) since he plays on the interior.

There's no rush. Even if he has a better year next year, he's not getting Donald/QB money... maybe an extra $1M on top of his salary range he's already at/expected.

If we move him out to BE, that changes everything re: his cost. He's a bargain inside.

That's a sure way to piss him off and show you don't appreciate him. Playing games with the 5th year and franchise tag, making him risk getting a big pay day to play on cheaper one year deals.

Rams squeezed the fifth year outta Donald and had a hold out because of it. Rams waited for dondald to become a defensive player of the year to extend him and they paid for it big time.

Originally posted by NCommand:
You could but keep in mind:

He's only counting $5.79M in 2019 and then we can exercise his 5th year option ($10M) and then Franchise Tag him cheap ($14-$16M) since he plays on the interior.

There's no rush. Even if he has a better year next year, he's not getting Donald/QB money... maybe an extra $1M on top of his salary range he's already at/expected.

If we move him out to BE, that changes everything re: his cost. He's a bargain inside.

This all just feels like perfect negotiation fodder. To your point it keeps the overall cost in check. Basically an extension could net him more per year over the next few years than he would get otherwise, but the niners would make that up on the back-end of the deal. This is how team friendly deals happen.

Originally posted by Bimbo_Coles:

Originally posted by NCommand:

You could but keep in mind:

He's only counting $5.79M in 2019 and then we can exercise his 5th year option ($10M) and then Franchise Tag him cheap ($14-$16M) since he plays on the interior.

There's no rush. Even if he has a better year next year, he's not getting Donald/QB money... maybe an extra $1M on top of his salary range he's already at/expected.

If we move him out to BE, that changes everything re: his cost. He's a bargain inside.

This all just feels like perfect negotiation fodder. To your point it keeps the overall cost in check. Basically an extension could net him more per year over the next few years than he would get otherwise, but the niners would make that up on the back-end of the deal. This is how team friendly deals happen.

Yup. It's just business.

He's not a QB where the cost is going to dramatically increase 300% all of a sudden. He's an IDT...one of the more stable markets even with Donald, setting a new bar. Plus you can sign him at any one point of those 3 years or after if you want to use the franchise tag again.

Ideally, from a cap perspective, get the low cap hit the next 2+ years (exercise his 5th year option like Ward and AA) and then give him the big 5 year contract. 8 years out of him and a good cap hit/contract. Front load (upfront $ and guaranteed $) the big contract as a means for rewarding his play and value.

Buckner is asking the Niners to give up FOUR years of affordable team control. That will come at a cost to Buckner. The trade off is he gets his money now.

This is a business. Don't ever get it twisted. They will punt him from this roster the second his skill declines and does not align with his contract.

I would like to avoid an Aaron Donald contractual situation with Buckner. Maybe franchise tag him once and give him front loaded deal while he is still young before and if he gets old and complacent quick.

Give this dude his money.

Originally posted by okdkid:

Buckner is asking the Niners to give up FOUR years of affordable team control. That will come at a cost to Buckner. The trade off is he gets his money now.

This is a business. Don't ever get it twisted. They will punt him from this roster the second his skill declines and does not align with his contract.

How do you figure four years ? You saying a fifth year option plus three franchise tags?

This isn't just about giving him money now . It's about getting a better deal on a player that some project to be a future all pro. Could end up saving 5 mil a year in the long run.

So we have him for 2019 (fourth season), and 2020 (5th year option), right now, at set prices. We have a general number on what a franchise tag for his position would cost for the 2021 season, so lets wait until after the 2019 season, and then give him an extension where we guarantee him his 5th year option+what the franchise tag would be for 2021. Guarantee those salaries in his extension, and then add 3 years on it (2022-2024) at what the franchise tag # was for 2021 with 1 million dollar increases in the 2022-2024 seasons.

Originally posted by GhostOfBaalke:

Originally posted by okdkid:
Buckner is asking the Niners to give up FOUR years of affordable team control. That will come at a cost to Buckner. The trade off is he gets his money now.

This is a business. Don't ever get it twisted. They will punt him from this roster the second his skill declines and does not align with his contract.

How do you figure four years ? You saying a fifth year option plus three franchise tags?

This isn't just about giving him money now . It's about getting a better deal on a player that some project to be a future all pro. Could end up saving 5 mil a year in the long run.

Agreed.

Originally posted by GhostOfBaalke:

Originally posted by okdkid:
Buckner is asking the Niners to give up FOUR years of affordable team control. That will come at a cost to Buckner. The trade off is he gets his money now.

This is a business. Don't ever get it twisted. They will punt him from this roster the second his skill declines and does not align with his contract.

How do you figure four years ? You saying a fifth year option plus three franchise tags?

This isn't just about giving him money now . It's about getting a better deal on a player that some project to be a future all pro. Could end up saving 5 mil a year in the long run.

What? No.

2019 is the last year of his rookie deal. 2020 is the 5th year option. Then two tags. Easy team control. If he wants the Niners to give that up and pay him now -- then he will take an annual discount.

Originally posted by okdkid:

Originally posted by GhostOfBaalke:

Originally posted by okdkid:

Buckner is asking the Niners to give up FOUR years of affordable team control. That will come at a cost to Buckner. The trade off is he gets his money now.

This is a business. Don't ever get it twisted. They will punt him from this roster the second his skill declines and does not align with his contract.

How do you figure four years ? You saying a fifth year option plus three franchise tags?

This isn't just about giving him money now . It's about getting a better deal on a player that some project to be a future all pro. Could end up saving 5 mil a year in the long run.

What? No.

2019 is the last year of his rookie deal. 2020 is the 5th year option. Then two tags. Easy team control. If he wants the Niners to give that up and pay him now -- then he will take an annual discount.

They wouldn't give up the fourth year of his rookie deal. Nobody does that. You get an extension on top of that. Doubt Buckner would even ask for that.

So they'd be giving up three years of control. But that's not really how it works. If you wanna play that game, then it'll get messy. Not easy control when your player is holding out because he wants a long term deal.

The annual discount will come from him not being an all pro or pro bowler yet. If you wanna wait for that by forcing him to play on risky one year contracts, then get ready to make him the highest paid defensive player.

Apparently Fletcher Cox played through a fairly serious injury on Sunday, so im guessing he will probably drop out of the pro bowl...

Originally posted by Niners99:

Apparently Fletcher Cox played through a fairly serious injury on Sunday, so im guessing he will probably drop out of the pro bowl...

Would be hilarious if Buckner ends up getting an invite to the pro bowl and he drops out as well